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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.04 04:00:00 -
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Ranking and team stats
Home site of Standfords Folding@Home
We encourage you to give it a try and help out the team and more so the science. If your new to folding try out one of the single cpu clients, they require very little resources in the background. As your experience grows you can try out multi-core clients or gpu clients, these yield more points but require more customization, maintenance, and can put some wear on your machine. You'll find instructions for setting up the client on Standford's website our team # is 75407. Start out slow, we find people that go all in on their system stressing it with multiple clients usually find it inconvenient to keep participating, while we appreciate the short term support we would like to build a solid base of persistent members.
Thanks for your support.
(Need help setting up the client or have any questions feel free to ask, I would recommend reading the forums on Standford's website for configuration issues or exotic setups but we'll do our best to get you running.)
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.12.04 16:25:00 -
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You know, I've heard about this site for years now, but I've never heard of any *specific* scientific advancement gained as a result of its operation. What has it tangibly accomplished?
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.04 19:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
You know, I've heard about this site for years now, but I've never heard of any *specific* scientific advancement gained as a result of its operation. What has it tangibly accomplished?
actually, this is something that I would like to know too.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.12.04 19:45:00 -
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On its Wiki page you can see a rather long section with various peer reviewed papers that used information gleaned from the project.
Heard about it years ago and never got around to trying it out. Think i will finally.
My Warmest Regards.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.04 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 04/12/2010 19:51:19
I am part of a EVE-Online SETI@home team, but there are not many in it :P
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
You know, I've heard about this site for years now, but I've never heard of any *specific* scientific advancement gained as a result of its operation. What has it tangibly accomplished?
For folding I dunno, for SETI, well, its still an ongoing search, and its a big universe and a lot to search through.
Still, do not expect everything to produce results straight away, that is a fallacy, some things does indeed take years to get any good results.
That said, I have not looked into Folding at all so I cna not say anything directly aboutt hat.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Amicus Morte
Dead Muppets
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Posted - 2010.12.04 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
I am part of a EVE-Online SETI@home team, but there are not many in it :P
Proud member since last year. Did it for a few years as well few years ago.
Wouldn't you hate it if we weren't listening when they called ? 
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Mad Hermit
Wayward Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.04 23:57:00 -
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Damn you Derik, I had planned to bump the old thread next week when we will pass 500 in the rankings, but now you've ruined that. 
But yeah, do what the OP says and join us.
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.05 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: defiler
Damn you Derik, I had planned to bump the old thread next week when we will pass 500 in the rankings, but now you've ruined that.
Ehh sorry dude, thought I'd make a more general thread that one kinda died out couple months ago. Am pretty stoked we are getting ready to break that 500 rank though. Going to pickup another 470 GTX soon ^^ hope you don't mind 
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Mad Hermit
Wayward Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.05 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Derik Wildstar
Going to pickup another 470 GTX soon ^^ hope you don't mind
It's all right, my dream of scoring highest in the team was shattered a long time ago. I keep telling myself that I'm doing this for science, not some pseudo-competition...
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.07 16:33:00 -
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Ohh might have changed my mind on the GTX 470, check out this piece of sexy kit GTX 570 Review
Will most likely wait a little bit until Newegg offers some good deals on them but already available at the original 470 entry price.
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.11 04:28:00 -
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Well... killed the psu in my heavy folder, yippy for warranties but will be about a week before its back online  Luckily all system components check out, including the twins, and were unaffected but don't have a big enough PSU on hand to drive the system.
Don't let this scare you away from folding lol. Other thoughts... will have to find an alternative heat source for my house dammit. 
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.11 07:46:00 -
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Read title as "fondling" and was disappointed
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.12 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Read title as "fondling" and was disappointed
May I fondle your video card in the name of science?
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Grideris
Gallente
Fleet Coordination Commission
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Posted - 2010.12.12 04:26:00 -
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I'm number 5
Keep folding boys.
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Commander, Fleet Coordination Commission
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.12.12 11:36:00 -
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Ouch.
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.12 19:11:00 -
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Yeah... we're taking a little PPD hit atm hope to have all my folding operations backup and running soon. Might team a couple psu's to get the twins back online.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.12.12 19:31:00 -
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Just creeping along on a single low priority one.
Not planning to win any kind of race, but you can count on it running pretty much 24/7.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
northwesten
Amarr
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.12 20:51:00 -
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I use my PS3 for this and dam these PS3 are awesome for this.
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.12 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: northwesten
I use my PS3 for this and dam these PS3 are awesome for this.
The PS3 have definitely added alot to the F@H community, they were at one time the highest contributors behind Anon and while they still contribute alot of work sadly their architecture is way out dated considering a sub $100 graphics card can put out more ppd. Not knocking mind you a box that can crank out 900 ppd 5 years later is still impressive. Assume even with the removal of linux and hardware downgrades across the generations that F@H is still included and runs at the same speed. Haven't been a console gamer since the Sega Genesis but was very impressed by the PS3's flexibility and usefulness in research oriented projects and look forward to their next installment of awesomeness. Maybe MS will take note and make a similar move but I find that unlikely as I've always heard the consoles themselves are mostly a loss to break even with the real money made on the software and 3rd party licensing.
Happy folding!
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.12.14 02:25:00 -
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We've got a guy making close to 400k PPD. I have to admit it, this is insanity.
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.14 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
We've got a guy making close to 400k PPD. I have to admit it, this is insanity.
This is awesome, reminds me of the Atlas Folder guys vid card farm little smaller and more power efficient though lol.
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.15 21:39:00 -
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Been using Kakao Stats for awhile to monitor our progress but someone posted a link to this site that has team stats as well, its a little quicker loading but basically same info http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=75407
Got the twins back in action so we'll get back on track for breaking that 500 rank barrier here soon. Thanks for all the contribs noticed we picked up a few folders over the last few days welcome aboard and happy folding.
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.20 02:26:00 -
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YES!!! We broke the 500 team rank barrier!!! Many thanks to all our supporters it has taken quite awhile to get here. So what do we do now... break 400 of course that is an even longer way off but we have a good team going and I have confidence we can easily break that in under the projected four months. Thanks again to everyone and happy folding!!!
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Grideris
Fleet Coordination Command
Fleet Coordination Coalition
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Posted - 2010.12.20 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Derik Wildstar
YES!!! We broke the 500 team rank barrier!!! Many thanks to all our supporters it has taken quite awhile to get here. So what do we do now... break 400 of course that is an even longer way off but we have a good team going and I have confidence we can easily break that in under the projected four months. Thanks again to everyone and happy folding!!!
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2010.12.24 00:08:00 -
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Wow we hit 82,459 ppd on the 21st that is awesome, had several other high days around that too, team records. Going to hit Team Rank 480 in the next few days I'm impressed, keep up the good work guys and thanks for the support!
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2011.01.07 03:32:00 -
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Ranking 473, over 25% completed to hit our next goal! Nice work. Looks like rest of the 400s we're just grinding points as our daily average ppd is one of the highest.
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.07 11:06:00 -
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just joined team. been meaning to join one for a wile now but the fact that eve-people have one pushed me into it:)
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2011.01.16 09:42:00 -
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Congrats defiler on hitting the 3mil milestone!
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2011.01.16 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Master Blade
just joined team. been meaning to join one for a wile now but the fact that eve-people have one pushed me into it:)
Sorry missed this, I get lazy when we fall off the first couple pages, welcome aboard you've been busy thanks for the assist.
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Keyserr Soze
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Posted - 2011.01.17 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Keyserr Soze on 17/01/2011 21:17:53
NP
was away for a bit and left the computer to do its thing. hope it helps.
just wondering what the top dogs here are using for hardware?
alt post ftw aka Blade
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defiler
Mad Hermit
Wayward Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.17 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Derik Wildstar
Congrats defiler on hitting the 3mil milestone!
Thanks.
Originally by: Keyserr Soze
just wondering what the top dogs here are using for hardware?
I'm using an i7 960 and a GTX 480. The SMP client runs 24/7 but I only start the GPU3 when I'll be AFK for more than an hour or so.
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lagrange gormo
Gallente
Ares Itg.
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Posted - 2011.01.18 04:54:00 -
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I'd been thinking about joining one of the @home projects for while now. As cool as talking with aliens might sound I figure the Folding one is going to provide more useful data than the SETI one. Hope my small contribution will help. |
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Mad Hermit
Wayward Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.18 05:37:00 -
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Welcome aboard, and of course your contribution will help - both us and science.
And I don't see much point in SETI either, but proteins... there we have some potential real-world applications.
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.18 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: Master Blade on 18/01/2011 10:05:55
Originally by: defiler
I'm using an i7 960 and a GTX 480. The SMP client runs 24/7 but I only start the GPU3 when I'll be AFK for more than an hour or so.
interesting. im considering an sr-2 build shortly if i can squeeze out a few extra bucks. will be exciting to see what 24 cores can do! currently I can't run smp and 2 eve clients at the same time with present hardware. prob need to become a shareholder with my local power company to fuel the beast. lol
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:55:00 -
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What a pointless waste of energy (CO2 etc.).
Why would anyone want to help such projects with his electricity bill and reduce the life expectancy of his PC (permanently high CPU usage) for this?
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:04:00 -
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well, I want to do it because it is a good excuse to buy new hardware. Its a tax write-off for me, and it will be a showcase for a product i sell.
on top of all that it does contribute slightly toward a worthwile scientific cause. |
Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Master Blade
in the case of a simple client running in background on most late model computers, you would notice next to no increase in power consumption and over the course of an expected 3 year lifetime, no aditional wear.
That's completely wrong. Modern CPUs power down parts of the CPU cores dynamically based on utilization, so even one busy core doing nothing but SSE/MMX that would otherwise do nothing at all, will have a noticeable effect on your power bill.
A typical desktop PC with e.g. 4 cores will often double its electricity usage if you keep just 1 core busy permanently, e.g. the CPU will use ~20W mostly idle = typical desktop user browsing the web etc. and an additional 20-30W just for 1 busy core with SETI etc..
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:39:00 -
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yah, about a buck a day....nothing
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Master Blade
the excitement of building powerful computers and actually being able to use them to thier fullest potential isnt something you want to do, then that would be a reason not to fold.
What does the excitement of building (or buying) them have to do with it? I find it pointless to use a computer that way, I might just as well run burnMMX on one core for kicks.
The point of powerful computers is to have the power when you need it, not to waste it when you don't. Just like with cars. Or do you attempt to drive at 250Km/h all the time because your car can do it?
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.01.18 19:05:00 -
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People's personal motivation makes no difference to the quality of science produced. Each one of us, for whatever reason, is making a small contribution to projects that some of us believe have genuine merit, and we think it's worth the cost. That's a little more productive than running burnMMX.
If you're sceptical, I suggest you have a look at some of the papers that have been produced as a result of the projects run via folding@home. There are links on the first page of this thread.
Wear and tear are mitigated if your PC is adequately cooled and regularly cleared of dust. The extra energy costs depend very much on the hardware you have and the price you pay for your electricity, but are not generally substantial, and you can, in theory, negate some of your other fuel expenses if you keep the PC in a room with thermostatic heating.
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helmeo
Caldari
Redwaffe
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Posted - 2011.01.18 21:24:00 -
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muhaha, i am moving on up, running this on graphics card is pretty awesome.
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.18 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Just like with cars. Or do you attempt to drive at 250Km/h all the time because your car can do it?
If my hobbies included building very specialized automobiles for high speed, then I absolutly would keep it at a track and drive it as fast as i posably could every chance available |
Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2011.01.19 06:14:00 -
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Yay for trolls keeping us on the frontpage!!! Thanks for the help and extra notice we will hopefully get.
To your troll... each their own this a project that I find worthwhile, I may never see, understand, or gain direct benefit from it but I believe that somewhere down the road it will benefit someone. Added bonus keeps the karma shark at bay Cheers and thanks again.
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NeoShocker
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.01.20 07:01:00 -
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Been contributing :) Up 40k.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.20 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Derik Wildstar
but I believe that somewhere down the road it will benefit someone
yup, your local electricity provider.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2011.01.21 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Derik Wildstar
but I believe that somewhere down the road it will benefit someone
yup, your local electricity provider.
Well I wouldn't want them going out of business then I couldn't fold anymore .... I suppose your right I will purchase additional gpu's to fold more to increase my electricity bill to support the employees of the utility company. Oh snap trickle down theory I just helped the coal miners since they will have to mine more, helped the doctors who have to treat them for black lung, the insurance companies as they raise rates to offset the cost of insuring coal miners, the tree hugging hippie agenda as they scream for carbon balancing.... can't believe I didn't realize this sooner I'm saving the world and increasing the quality of life for thousands of people... I am going to sleep well tonight!!!
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.21 08:21:00 -
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lol, Pan.
what happened? someone from the folding comunity sleep with your wife? why all the negativity?
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2011.01.24 02:29:00 -
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So... just got home and I see this on our stats page...
DuramaxDiesels -11 189,114 -220,634 01.24.11, 4pm / 20.6 Hours
we are getting passed by diesel truck enthusiasts that also fold 
Apparently the local sample I've been exposed to was not representative of the group as whole but I'm having difficulty picturing Bubba, Billy, and Buck in their country getup, discussing the best way to skin a varmit, how their baccer crop is fairing this year, and blowing out my eardrums as they gun the light in a hurry to get home to check on their folding clients. I'm guilty of stereotyping and cultural profiling apparently and need to go pay my dues to the karma shark.
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.24 05:00:00 -
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interesting, the diesel team is about the same size as us with 10 members doing over 10k ppd. not sure how folding 'deliverance' style works but they seem to be pulling it off
so have we ever gotten any intrest from ccp regarding this project? Im sure if they kicked in a node or 2 we could regain our status over the banjo playing element.
doing a little reserch and it seems that the sr-2 is considered to be one of the ultimate single rig machines for folding. looking forward to starting my build. saw a guy getting over 200k ppd on an sr-2 with 8 gpu's |
Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2011.01.24 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: Derik Wildstar on 24/01/2011 05:29:54
edit: CCP, never asked but I doubt they would be willing to spare any time lest they invoke the rage of their denizens. Might look at advertising in EON not sure how that works or ingame having an event/tourney or something to drum up new folders.
Originally by: Master Blade
doing a little reserch and it seems that the sr-2 is considered to be one of the ultimate single rig machines for folding. looking forward to starting my build. saw a guy getting over 200k ppd on an sr-2 with 8 gpu's
Lol I think your going to spend alot of cash, board was running around $600, no idea what the xeons that go in it cost, then naturally your going to fill it to brimming over with GTX 580s ($500x8) , prolly need some water cooling, a wall of PSU's to drive it, and several 20amp breakers just to turn it on
We expect a build log with lots of sexy pictures...
I keep teasing defiler I'm going to add another GTX 470 on my end but I'm "that guy" everyone brings their comps and parts to when they don't want them so I've cobbled together a decent mobo with 2 x16 slots, an old dual core cpu, and some junk memory... have it on burn in now to test it out.... let it run for a week or two and if it stays stable I might have to run up a bill with newegg for a pair of gtx570's.... going to have to do a little house wiring and bring a fresh 20amp plug out. I often wonder what the thermal image of my house looks like from one of those drug choppers.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.24 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Master Blade
lol, Pan.
what happened? someone from the folding comunity sleep with your wife? why all the negativity?
Impressive line of argument there, you almost convinced me!
Seriously, how hard is it to grasp the notion of millions(?) of people increasing their electricity consumption stupidly, who would instantly stop doing that if they ever calculated the amount of money it costs them and thought about whether it's actually worth it? It was kinda fun with the DES Challenges and distributed.net (even I participated, back then idle time wasn't saving you much energy though) and after that just stupid with SETI, Folding@Home etc. ...
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.24 06:46:00 -
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Edited by: Master Blade on 24/01/2011 06:50:33
you still here pan? how bout you make yourself usefull and post with your main so I can see how many points per minute I get while podding your ass
edit: I 'get' what your saying although i feel you are just trolling at this point. If you look at my responses to your questions, you will notice that I have a differant opinion.
anyway, yah, i will def post a build log when I get around to buying the components. will be fun. |
Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.24 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Master Blade
Edited by: Master Blade on 24/01/2011 06:50:33
you still here pan? how bout you make yourself usefull and post with your main so I can see how many points per minute I get while podding your ass
Is this a silly attempt to troll me into posting with my "main" just because your PVP track record with "Master Blade" is unimpressive? Try harder.
Quote:
edit: I 'get' what your saying although i feel you are just trolling at this point.
Nope, I made a perfectly valid point and since you "get" it, you might as well have refrained from trying to counter it with dumb ad hominem attacks. My only reason for posting was to correct the wrong opinion that such background tasks that use "spare" CPU cycles are essentially "free". They are not and it probably better to donate the extra money you'd spend on the electricity bill to some better cause (and skip the CO2 emission too). That's all and yes, you are entitled to your opinion as well.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.24 08:44:00 -
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way to avoid the guantlet ive thrown down, lol.
no one ever said anything was free. if you bother to notice, I have stated that I enjoy spending money on things related to my hobbies. I simply could not care less about the impact of burning(in my case) an extra 2k watts or so will make as opposed to the benafit it gives me personaly spread over the variety of reasons i like to participate.
but on the other hand, I could spend the money on hookers in vegas. that would also be entertaining.
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.24 09:10:00 -
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hmm, tell you what pan. seeing as my mediocre pvp record is at stake here. I propose a duel.
1v1, winner reserves the right to post his opinion in this thread. loser loses that right.
rules: bring whatever alt you feel has an advantage. no meta-gaming with repping alts or anything construed as something other than 1v1.
you can add to the terms if you like. location and other terms tbd upon acceptance.
your move |
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Mad Hermit
Wayward Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.24 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Master Blade
hmm, tell you what pan. seeing as my mediocre pvp record is at stake here. I propose a duel.
1v1, winner reserves the right to post his opinion in this thread. loser loses that right.
Can't stop picturing you two in an old-fashioned gentleman's duel now.
Fancy ships (faction?), only ammo for one volley and HP gimped enough that a decent hit will be a kill. You fly, say, two MWD cycles away from each other, come to a complete stop and fire.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.24 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Master Blade
hmm, tell you what pan. seeing as my mediocre pvp record is at stake here. I propose a duel.
rules: bring whatever alt you feel has an advantage. no meta-gaming with repping alts or anything construed as something other than 1v1.
Cute, a rock-paper-scissors duel. But no, since it's just a matter of investing enough ISK (you like wasting money/ISK, right?).
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.24 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus a rock-paper-scissors duel. [/quote
ok I accept. please post rules so I can be assured you wont cheat. But seriously...if you need a little isk....just ask, I may try to help a fellow eve player out who needs a little charity. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
My only reason for posting was to correct the wrong opinion that such background tasks that use "spare" CPU cycles are essentially "free". They are not and it probably better to donate the extra money you'd spend on the electricity bill to some better cause (and skip the CO2 emission too).
Idle cycles are free only in the sense that as long as a task doesn't hog significant amounts of any other system resources, it won't prevent you from running any other applications.
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Seriously, how hard is it to grasp the notion of millions(?) of people increasing their electricity consumption stupidly, who would instantly stop doing that if they ever calculated the amount of money it costs them and thought about whether it's actually worth it? It was kinda fun with the DES Challenges and distributed.net (even I participated, back then idle time wasn't saving you much energy though) and after that just stupid with SETI, Folding@Home etc. ...
If you want to attempt such a calculation, I suggest you start here. Looking at some of the numbers, it would appear that quite a few people have followed your line of thought on the matter - out of all the processors that have made contributions over the lifetime of the project, only about 10% are currently active.
This is a misleading figure on its own, however, due to the rather skewed cumulative distribution of f@h output per user - a small fraction of users and teams account for a highly disproportionate share of the total points value of work completed, which is (roughly) proportional to the amount of power consumed. I suspect that within the top 20% or so of contributors, there is a much higher level of awareness of the associated costs than there is elsewhere.
People have gone to some lengths to devise appropriate metrics for building dedicated folding machines, and to work out which components provide the corresponding optimal returns. Currently, I understand that the ideal machine in terms of (points per day) / (cost over 3 years inc. power) is held to be some sort of dual socket server equipped with a very efficent pair of multi-core Xeon CPUs.
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Posted - 2011.01.24 20:57:00 -
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just pushes up your electricity bill and wears out your pc for no reason other than the minute advancement of some long schemed science project
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.01.24 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Pan Crastus on 24/01/2011 21:34:19
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
I suspect that within the top 20% or so of contributors, there is a much higher level of awareness of the associated costs than there is elsewhere.
I don't think cost is the main issue people are aware of or interested in, quiet/cool PCs have become more important lately and so users are avoiding things that provide no value to them and cause a lot of heat / fan noise.
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Currently, I understand that the ideal machine in terms of (points per day) / (cost over 3 years inc. power) is held to be some sort of dual socket server equipped with a very efficent pair of multi-core Xeon CPUs.
That's interesting findings, it must be hard to check all possible options though since depending on CPU family, using different instructions might change the picture radically (e.g. SSE3 might be best on Xeons, 3DNow on Opterons). I wonder if they tested obscure low-power CPUs like current ARM cores (used in tablets).
PS. the only benchmarks for folding @ home and points per Watt I can find are > 2 years old and put GPUs far, far ahead of CPUs ...
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.24 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
That's interesting findings, it must be hard to check all possible options though since depending on CPU family, using different instructions might change the picture radically (e.g. SSE3 might be best on Xeons, 3DNow on Opterons). I wonder if they tested obscure low-power CPUs like current ARM cores (used in tablets).
this is actually something worth looking at. a diskless linux netboot on this type of processer interests me as well. unfortunatly clusters within thier cluster are not supported by f@h atm, so would have to be a very custom or obscure hardware to get the ultimate powersavings per cycle donated. |
Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2011.01.25 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Derik Wildstar on 25/01/2011 00:09:04
If your really interested in your own participation's electrical usage you could pickup a killawatt pretty cheap and actually see... or you can use something like PSU Calc to get a decent rough estimate on what wattage your pulling (considering pretty constant 100% load and allowing for aging) break out a calculator and do the following maths- ((computer wattage x 730)/1000) x .12 = monthly electrical cost. (This converts watts to watt-hours (730/mth) and uses the US national average kwh adjust if necessary)
There are lots of tables that give the different values of components potential draw under folding I'll have to find references hardwarecanucks used to have a decent list iirc.
Was a little surprised convo took this turn as I figured up the cost of running my dedicated folder before I ever built it, I figured on worst case maximum power draw but the realized increase on my bill was not as great as there are downtimes, my cpu is actually close to idle, and other system components are in lowered states of operation.
edit: Using my original calculations I had allotted for around $50/mth but my bill only increased about an average of $23/mth, year over year not month over month. The summer months it increased slightly more as the AC had to work a little harder to dissipate the extra heat the winter a little less since I have a folding furnace
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.01.25 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
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Currently, I understand that the ideal machine in terms of (points per day) / (cost over 3 years inc. power) is held to be some sort of dual socket server equipped with a very efficent pair of multi-core Xeon CPUs.
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PS. the only benchmarks for folding @ home and points per Watt I can find are > 2 years old and put GPUs far, far ahead of CPUs ...
The majority of benchmarks I know of were put together round about when the GPU client was first released, and people were still building up a reasonable idea of how performance scales with various GPU characteristics. At the time, they led the field by a very long way.
Since then, some extra-large work units have become available for the (CPU-based) SMP client, which have a couple of interesting properties:- The client will only download them from the assignment server if it detects 8 or more cores on the host system
- Uniquely, they score more points the faster they're completed.
Dual Xeons give you the necessary cores and perform very well without drawing much power. They're expensive to set up, but they pay for themselves in the long run. Also, the necessary server motherboards for that CPU socket type also tend to be made to quite a high standard, which increases the system lifespan.
Prior to this, it was not unheard of for people to run multiple SMP clients in virtual machines - still a useful trick if you want to fool the client into thinking that a 6-core processor actually has 8 cores, and required for making it work at all on linux.
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Master Blade
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Posted - 2011.01.25 00:50:00 -
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good idea derik on picking up a tool to measure exactly what is being used. For me personaly, I dont care how much it uses for the project as whatever it comes out to be is fine by me.
I think that a high output/low power farm would be a cool project. I also will pursue my original idea of the sr-2.
I was just unaware of the fact that some people are actually concerned by a few extra watts being used on a non-dedicated system. personally, I would never notice a $5 - $50 dollar increase to my electrical bill based on the normal fluctuation that occurs naturaly due to my life-style.
this is not an indication that I am an unessessarily wasteful person, only that when I enjoy working on a project, the costs associated with it are well within my budget.
although ive enjoyed ribbing our resident troll, he did bring up a thought of using risk based processors which I find interesting.
what concerns me about his line of thought is that with a single basic client, with a maximum addition of $1 per day to run, he feels is an unacceptable waste of energy. this small amount being unaceptable seems as rediculous to me as some people other than myself would feel a huge outlay of maxed hardware would be.
just my 2 cents based on the research I cared to do b4 I started. guess thats the key, people need to do thier own research to see if the benifits outweigh the drawbacks for each individual.
anyway, I'm folding along with my non-dedicated client for now till I get the other system up over the next month or 2 I just past 100k mark. |
Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2011.01.25 01:11:00 -
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Pretty sure only x86 based processors are supported along side the CUDA from Nvidia and limited OPENCL from AMD, I haven't checked the Standford forums lately for their stance on this but ARM and other embedded processors wouldn't yield enough project results to merit the time to support additional client designs. This may change in the future as some of these are getting more and more powerful and we are starting to see trending towards generally lower power designs. The clients themselves are optimized for Intel processors so your likely to find your performance per watt there. The gpu client is optimized for Nvidia I haven't seen the specs on their low tier based on the GTX500 series yet but willing to bet there is a winner in there somewhere.
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2011.01.29 15:25:00 -
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Woot Ranked 450, halfway to our next goal! Thanks for the continued support.
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Mad Hermit
Wayward Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.04 21:25:00 -
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400! Congrats everyone! \o/
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Derik Wildstar
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Posted - 2011.04.05 19:56:00 -
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Took us awhile but finally got here \o/ thanks to everyone for contributing.
Sadly going to have to start regulating my main folder to post processing work will continue folding when its not busy, one of these days I'll head over to newegg and get a pair of 570's to play with :D
Happy folding!
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.04.05 21:10:00 -
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It would be nice If Sony would endorse a folding@home client for the PS3. I don't want to run this on my PC but I would on my PS3.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 05/04/2011 22:15:20
Originally by: Vogue
It would be nice If Sony would endorse a folding@home client for the PS3. I don't want to run this on my PC but I would on my PS3.
I'm not sure whether Sony endorsed it, but it certainly exists:
http://folding.stanford.edu/English/FAQ-PS3#ntoc3
Edit: further down that page, it says Sony developed it
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:58:00 -
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This reminded me to check up on my old linux box... gotten in quite a few more packs for SETI at any rate. Not sure if I really checked it since I posted here last. Might even add Folding to it now as well.
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.04.06 23:32:00 -
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The anti troll fairy hits me for 100 damage. Installed the Ps3 client through playstation life 
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.05.07 21:05:00 -
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Good news for anyone who owns an ATI 5000 series or newer graphics card: a new folding core is now available which makes these GPUs almost as effective as their Nvidia counterparts.
At the moment, it's still in beta, but it's fairly simple to get it working (at least compared to some of the previous clients).
To get started, you need an ATI driver installed that supports APP. All Catalyst drivers from 11.3 onwards include this as standard when you download them from ATI's website.
Next, you need to install the V7 beta folding@home client. Choose the appropriate version from this page:
https://fah-web.stanford.edu/projects/FAHClient/wiki/BetaRelease
If you already have any other folding@home gpu clients installed, uninstall them first.
Once the V7 beta client is installed, set it up to run on your GPU. This part of the process is fairly self explanatory. To unlock the new core (core 16), you then need to change a few settings via the Folding@Home Client Control app:
- On the upper right pull-down menu (next to "About") change Novice to Advanced.
- On the upper left, select Configure
- Pick the Slots tab
- Highlight the gpu slot
- Click Edit
- At the bottom below Extra slot options (expert only) choose Add
- Enter the text client-type in the Name field and advanced in the Value field and click OK
- Click OK
- Click Save
Your client will then be able to receive work units that use the new core. It may not receive one immediately - you might have to wait a day or two, depending on the scarcity of those work units.
The bottom line: performance on a stock 5850 is up from about 4k ppd to over 7k.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2011.06.13 13:15:00 -
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friendly bump.
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