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Gornhelm	Posted - 2010.12.04 17:14:00 - [1] Hello, I have 5m sp in gunnery support and medium energy turrets, but pve'ing in a cov ops legion I have a massive 3x damage modifier with my 4 t2 beams. Anotherwords I put out about as much effective damage as a t2 fit rifter The only subsystem I could replace to fix would be cov ops for liquid crystal but cov ops is manditory for solo exploring as far as im concerned as a matter of fact ie resorted to running sites in a daredevil while the legion just sits cloaky after scanning down the sites thats working well but legion is just a really expensive cov ops prober without dps what am I doing wrong?
Elizabeth Norn Tax Evasion Haven	Posted - 2010.12.04 17:18:00 - [2] Quote: 4 t2 beams There's your problem. Quote: The only subsystem I could replace to fix would be cov ops for liquid crystal You're intentionally not using the DPS subsystem and complaining about the DPS? You can't have a 1000 dps/1000 dps tank interdiction nullifying covert ops cruiser, that's just ridiculous.
Chakarr	Posted - 2010.12.04 17:32:00 - [3] Using Cov ops subsystem is always gonna gimp your dps a bit, you can't have everything. Pulse lazors would be better surely, and perfectly adequate rangewise (scorch) for most exploration sites? ...how about posting a fit so we can better help you?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.12.04 19:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Elizabeth Norn You're intentionally not using the DPS subsystem and complaining about the DPS? You can't have a 1000 dps/1000 dps tank interdiction nullifying covert ops cruiser, that's just ridiculous. even with the dps subsystem it pretty much sucks.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2010.12.04 20:31:00 - [5] Here's what it can do, on the cheap [Legion, cheap c3 solo] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Legion Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers
Gornhelm	Posted - 2010.12.05 06:10:00 - [6] Thanks for the imput Im going with the advice both on liquid crystal and pulse w/scorch. Had already changed out to pulse and the damage modifier doubled and dps was noticeably much better. What I dont get here, is without the cov ops capabilities which gimp dps what in the hell good is a 500m+(with subsyst. and fits) super special sauce T3 ship when a hac, command, bc or pirate cruiser is much cheaper and not far behind.
mmmPork	Posted - 2010.12.05 08:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Gornhelm Hello, I have 5m sp in gunnery support and medium energy turrets, but pve'ing in a cov ops legion I have a massive 3x damage modifier with my 4 t2 beams. Anotherwords I put out about as much effective damage as a t2 fit rifter The only subsystem I could replace to fix would be cov ops for liquid crystal but cov ops is manditory for solo exploring as far as im concerned as a matter of fact ie resorted to running sites in a daredevil while the legion just sits cloaky after scanning down the sites thats working well but legion is just a really expensive cov ops prober without dps what am I doing wrong? What are you doing wrong? Being terrible. Stop posting.
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.12.05 12:11:00 - [8] Originally by: mmmPork What are you doing wrong? Being terrible. Stop posting. Youy should take your own advice man, your rubbish too, GTFBTW
mmmPork	Posted - 2010.12.05 12:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Brian Ballsack Originally by: mmmPork What are you doing wrong? Being terrible. Stop posting. Youy should take your own advice man, your rubbish too, GTFBTW Are you too r**arded to even spell-check your own post? Because that's what it looks like... You can't even counter-troll a horrible troll like myself. How can you stand such a pathetic existence? I mean, how is somebody so terrible even able to get out of bed in the morning.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2010.12.05 13:26:00 - [10] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 05/12/2010 13:28:30 Originally by: Gornhelm Had already changed out to pulse and the damage modifier doubled and dps was noticeably much better. You do have EFT, right? Because it reads like you're only noticing the difference in game, rather than immediately in the stats. It'll also show why the PG SS will cause you cap issues compared to the augmented or pure cap SSs, unless you're depending on cap boosters or buffer. As for the worth, warping cloaked kinda pwns, and if you went to null, being able to be bubble proof would be grand too. Remember you can haul SS in your cargo and swap at a station you can dock in, so you can pack a major travel refit.

Gornhelm	Posted - 2010.12.05 14:40:00 - [11] Edited by: Gornhelm on 05/12/2010 14:41:24 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 05/12/2010 13:28:30 Originally by: Gornhelm Had already changed out to pulse and the damage modifier doubled and dps was noticeably much better. You do have EFT, right? Because it reads like you're only noticing the difference in game, rather than immediately in the stats. It'll also show why the PG SS will cause you cap issues compared to the augmented or pure cap SSs, unless you're depending on cap boosters or buffer. Yeah I considered the cap issues No I dont use stuff like eft im supposed to break this down into pure math and then mechanically do exactly what the results tell me takes the 'game' out of video game why dont I forget about exploration and go farm lv 4 missions 24/7 while im following the numbers Which, by the way I was able to do every single lv 4 in a vigilant, with rails, and most in a daredevil because I did the same thing im doing now fit something up give it a go and then adjust based on the experience My thinking on the beams was range control both keeping npc's in range and keeping 30+ km from warp in points to give me an edge if ambushed by someone who has previously bm'd a sig but the dps was so terrible I made this terrible post to complain seeing how a t3 should have the cake and icing too or else why have 't3' in the first place and I made people angry, including mmmpork who I assume is literally writhing on the floor foaming at the mouth in the midst of a massive coronary aneurism or at the very least has likely chewed through his computer power cables at this point
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2010.12.05 14:56:00 - [12] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 05/12/2010 14:56:22 A big point of T3s is that they're jack of all trades, master of none, so they can do cloaky scout/recon/dps/buffer/repper/RR, all with the same SP and hull. If you must have a cov ops cloak, what else are you going to use and how will it be better? SB? Pilgrim? Another T3? Eve being Eve, time is isk, and isk is time, so taking time and isk to test stuff that you could see in advance lacks the dps/tank/tracking/whatever is only hurting yourself, unless you have fun with this overly painful learning experience. Also, test server. Edit: wtf is scount
Thathanka	Posted - 2010.12.07 15:15:00 - [13] Unfortunately, the Legion is the worst ship in the entire game in relation to it's class. There is practically no fit that makes it acceptable to fly. I think the fact that the best fit for a Legion has proven in the past to be a Missile + Shield tank build says all you need to know about how much the ship fails. Train for a Tengu or a Loki and you'll have a tonne of fun.
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.12.07 15:46:00 - [14] Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 07/12/2010 15:46:11 Originally by: mmmPork Are you too r**arded to even spell-check your own post? Because that's what it looks like... You can't even counter-troll a horrible troll like myself. How can you stand such a pathetic existence? I mean, how is somebody so terrible even able to get out of bed in the morning. 1/10
Vaeliel Gallente Slander Acquisitions	Posted - 2010.12.07 17:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Gornhelm Edited by: Gornhelm on 05/12/2010 14:41:24 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 05/12/2010 13:28:30 Originally by: Gornhelm Had already changed out to pulse and the damage modifier doubled and dps was noticeably much better. You do have EFT, right? Because it reads like you're only noticing the difference in game, rather than immediately in the stats. It'll also show why the PG SS will cause you cap issues compared to the augmented or pure cap SSs, unless you're depending on cap boosters or buffer. I don't use de facto standard tools like EFT. I prefer to fit horribly then post on the forums to ask people who do use those tools what I did wrong. Fix'd.
Junkie Babe	Posted - 2010.12.07 20:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Gornhelm Edited by: Gornhelm on 05/12/2010 06:30:42 Thanks for the input Im going with the advice both on liquid crystal and pulse w/scorch. Had already changed out to pulse and the damage modifier doubled and dps was noticeably much better. LOL Volley for beams and pulse are the same only pulse has a ROF advantage which gives it better dps, AKA focused medium pulse will have the same turret damage modifier as focused medium beams etc. Thank you Regards Junkie babe
trjcquee	Posted - 2010.12.07 21:37:00 - [17] Edited by: trjcquee on 07/12/2010 21:43:48 Originally by: Gornhelm Anotherwords. No, there's your problem. Originally by: Daneel Trevize Eve being Eve, time is isk, and isk is time Not quite true. The skill I'm training right now won't finish for another 16 days. If I could buy days worth of SP for isk, then I would agree with you.


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