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Tubrug1
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Posted - 2010.12.04 21:35:00 -
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Hello,
I am thinking of starting up a POS in wormhole space, I was wondering what is the minimum budget I would need for it to be safe. Assuming my corp would have 50
members by then (it has 22 now), what things in the wormhole should I look out for (such as number of other poses) if we wanted a bit of PVP.
Also what modules would i need for it for it so it is as self-sufficent as it can be, such as making ships and ammo and a place to store ships.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.12.04 21:42:00 -
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You will need the following...
Large Tower - Anything smaller is just asking for it to be popped
SMA
CHA
Tons of gun modules
Tons of EW modules
Tons of neut modules
Tons of scrambler modules
Emergency scanning alt at a safe spot
Couple months of POS fuel
Fully stront'd
And a empty WH
 Originally by: Brock Nelson
OP's question is translated as: Help, I'm a female stuck in a man's body, can Incarna help?
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Tubrug1
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Posted - 2010.12.04 21:49:00 -
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Why would I need all the guns and EWs? If the system is empty noone is going to show up in a couple of dreads or even BSs if it were a class 1 or 2 wh
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.04 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tubrug1
Why would I need all the guns and EWs? If the system is empty noone is going to show up in a couple of dreads or even BSs if it were a class 1 or 2 wh
Because you didn't originally state the class, and people will AFK attack a defenseless tower for lols, and bored gangs are capable of anything.
If it is a C1, only minor defenses are required as it will only ever see battlecruisers. C2 can see battleship + logi fleets that like to siege and ransom systems.
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Rikeka
The Escort Service
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Posted - 2010.12.04 21:58:00 -
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Because then a small force can show-up, spot your tower, and ransom it.
And you'd have to pay, cause if not you'd lose all you own. |
Clown Pron
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:23:00 -
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If you truly do not know why you should put all the defense modules on your POS, then you shouldn't be living in a WH
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Tubrug1
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Clown Pron
If you truly do not know why you should put all the defense modules on your POS, then you shouldn't be living in a WH
Did I say all of the guns? No.
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Clown Pron
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tubrug1
Originally by: Clown Pron
If you truly do not know why you should put all the defense modules on your POS, then you shouldn't be living in a WH
Did I say all of the guns? No.
Originally by: Tubrug1
Why would I need all the guns and EWs? If the system is empty noone is going to show up in a couple of dreads or even BSs if it were a class 1 or 2 wh
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Tubrug1
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Clown Pron
Originally by: Tubrug1
Originally by: Clown Pron
If you truly do not know why you should put all the defense modules on your POS, then you shouldn't be living in a WH
Did I say all of the guns? No.
Originally by: Tubrug1
Why would I need all the guns and EWs? If the system is empty noone is going to show up in a couple of dreads or even BSs if it were a class 1 or 2 wh
What I meant is I won't need that many guns in a C1 wh |
Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.12.04 22:40:00 -
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As for the ships and ammo, I would say it's better to haul them in than to build them at the POS.
If its just a C1 wh, it would be a good idea to throw up assembly array to build battleships.
Honestly, for a corp that has 50 man in it, you're better off living in >C2
Originally by: Brock Nelson
OP's question is translated as: Help, I'm a female stuck in a man's body, can Incarna help?
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2010.12.04 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 04/12/2010 23:24:52
Do keep in mind that ANYONE can slap down a POS and build a dreadnought in your system. Fail to plan, plan to fail, and all that.
EDIT:- Well, not *anyone*. Any corp, rather.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.12.04 23:38:00 -
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If someone puts up a POS in a WH that you're settled in, builds a dreadnought and uses it against your POS, you probably don't deserve the WH. Since it takes awhile to build a dreadnought, more than enough time for you to mobilize a fleet to takedown his POS.
Originally by: Brock Nelson
OP's question is translated as: Help, I'm a female stuck in a man's body, can Incarna help?
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.05 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
If someone puts up a POS in a WH that you're settled in, builds a dreadnought and uses it against your POS, you probably don't deserve the WH. Since it takes awhile to build a dreadnought, more than enough time for you to mobilize a fleet to takedown his POS.
This.
If you don't notice an XLarge Ship Assembly array getting put up in your WH, you pretty much deserved to fail.
--Vel
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Neemene Boann
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Posted - 2010.12.05 05:04:00 -
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C1 or 2, you're never going to encounter an assault force that exceeds a 20-30 BS gang in all probability.
Design your tower defences around hampering the BS's
Jammers
Sensor Damps
a couple of scrams
GUNS
and MOST IMPORTANTLY - GUNNERS
Any POS is a target in space without POS Gunners at the helm when it's under attack
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
T2 Technologies Unlimited
SRS.
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Posted - 2010.12.05 05:47:00 -
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You're forgetting that BS cannot enter C1 unless it was built inside of the wh. C2, yes you will encounter a large BS gang whose solo purpose is to take out your POS.
Originally by: Brock Nelson
OP's question is translated as: Help, I'm a female stuck in a man's body, can Incarna help?
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:18:00 -
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in a c1 you still will need defences, I know of a few corps that will hang around and mess with you non stop if you cant shoot at them while they slowly but surely destroy your pos.
In a C1 you will need Webs, scram, small/medium weapons and a neut or two is handy, a very well armed pos in a c1 will never attract any atention, although i dont know why a 50 man corp would want a C1 unless its a staging post.
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Tubrug1
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:25:00 -
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so go for something bigger then a C1?
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Greg Huff
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tubrug1
so go for something bigger then a C1?
Without a doubt.
If you're looking for making money on sites you will want a higher class WH. If you only want the hole for PI and running a manufacturing op in "relative" safety then a C1 could work. Keep in mind though that the WH mass restrictions will limit the goods that you can take to market per trip.
But if you're looking for making isk off the combat sites a C1 isn't going to cut it for you. Once you clear out all the sites that are there when you arrive new ones will appear only as sites are cleared from other WH's in your area. It's not a constant feed.
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Tea Partier
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Posted - 2010.12.05 17:29:00 -
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A 50 man corp in a C1 is going to cause a lot of tension unless you're industrialists. I've seen a C1 with 10 large Gallente towers that was pure industry.
For defences, work with your tower bonuses, but be sure to pack more guns then you can use and e-war. Basically there are a lot of fail POS's out there and people spend their time finding them and destroying them. If you stick lasers on a Caldari POS, people are going to blow it up. You might also have different towers for different things such as a Gallente for reactions or a Caldari for research.
I'd recommend a C3 static HS for an industrialist corp as it gives you better grav and ladar spawns, and the easiest resupply point. For an active corp that can field a crew, I'd recommend a C2 with static C3/C4. I'd also note that you can haul a lot of things into and out of a C1 with a HS static N110 WH.
For a corp of your size and in a WH, be sure to keep your alts out of the corp that can move your goods. If you get wardec'd, you then aren't stuck without resupply.
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Neuge
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Posted - 2010.12.08 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Neuge on 08/12/2010 17:48:43
C1 - Medium minimum, mainly jammers (mixed) and some small rails, a lot of effort for someone to blow up with minimal reward.
C2/3/4/5 - Large. I would probably go with a mix of jammers, guns and other stuff.. perhaps shield hardeners, that just adds :effort: for the attackers.
This all depends on if you have an active corp that are pvp able or gunners.
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Offduty Guard
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Posted - 2010.12.09 19:00:00 -
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Drake fleet with a couple logistics pilots will drop a pos in a C1 no problem.
I lived with a corp that lived in a region 4 WH. Meaning we had a static high sec hole and C3 hole and would on a regular basis attack poorly defended pos's. Sometimes for fun, sometimes to get what may have been in the SMA or CHA. But 99.99% of it was for lols, someone leaves a small sitting in a c3 with a static low sec. We all hop in BS's run out to the C3 and put into reinforced mode and cloak/log for the day. Return the following to finish it off.
Why you ask? Because we could, figure you should know what your up against, i once took a group of guys against a small pos with only EWAR mods on it and torp launchers. Cap stable fit some stealth bombers and orbit shields. Put that into reinforced and lost interest to finish it off. Ran into the hole weeks later and there were only mods around where the stick use to be.
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Mp66
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Posted - 2010.12.10 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Because you didn't originally state the class, and people will AFK attack a defenseless tower for lols, and bored gangs are capable of anything.
This, I put up a tower and was really tired afterwards so I only anchored the E-war, wake up the next morning to see somebody had taken the time to sit afk w/ drones killing one of my E-war batteries, took them nearly 4 hours but they did it, sucked to repair.
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.10 21:00:00 -
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This link might help:
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Socks Malone
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Posted - 2010.12.11 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: Socks Malone on 11/12/2010 03:01:52
Fitz VonHeise, that is a proper tower and one that I wouldn't even think of sieging. I think there might be something very wrong with you after some of the towers I have seen/reinforced/blew up. It must be all the booster fumes you inhale.
Take note: See all those offline modules, they are really important! Because while everyone says missiles and ECM suck because they go down when the tower is reinforced, in reality people kill the modules first and if you are around, you can online a new module after they have incapacitated one. You also get dumb monkeys who shoot offlined modules before the tower. In a POS bash, you want to bore the attackers and run them out of ammo as logistics is a pain. We have had to bring in industrials full of ammo before.
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Mr Dilkington
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Posted - 2010.12.11 14:42:00 -
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Not a bad set up at all Fitz, I would use more webs and less ECM myself, but then im only in a c2 atm.
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.12 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Socks Malone
Fitz VonHeise, that is a proper tower and one that I wouldn't even think of sieging.
Thanks for those kind words. 
We were told by a CCRES person recently that they decided not to attack our C6 POS because it would take too much effort to make it worth their while. (Notice that they never said they couldn't... just that it would be more trouble then it was worth)
We moved out of that C6 and sold two carriers to a group that was moving in. We also heard from CCRES that their POS setup was a joke. And it appears that others agreed by attacking and killing them out.
Battle Summary for J105705, 2010-12-05 18:10 - 21:03
Originally by: Mr Dilkington
I would use more webs
I'll take that advice.
I'll add one more webber online and 2 more to be offline.
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Brep
Gallente
Into The Pink
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Posted - 2010.12.13 02:13:00 -
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Edited by: Brep on 13/12/2010 02:14:33
For those who just want to farm C1/C2 sites solo or with a friend or two, I'd recommend a small tower with stront and just a SMA. That's 70M (plus fuel), easily made in one night. Just regularly ship your salvage out of the hole and write off the tower and ships you bring along (except your log-off ships). It's a lot less stress this way. If you get attacked, you don't have anything locked up in a CHA when in reinforced mode so it's no big deal.
From the outside, it's clear that there's no isk in taking down the POS. If someone does it for the hell of it, well they're free to waste their time :)
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minx trader
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Posted - 2010.12.13 11:17:00 -
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budget wise go for a medium caldari tower with lots of ew, faction be better, dont really want 22 corps living in there money to thinly split. make sure has 41 hrs os reinforced, i would lso pick a small system 16au acroos, easier to scan everyday and bonuses or not up to you. it takes a lot to bring down a pos even with dreads
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 13/12/2010 18:45:02
Originally by: Brep
For those who just want to farm C1/C2 sites solo or with a friend or two, I'd recommend a small tower with stront and just a SMA. That's 70M (plus fuel), easily made in one night.
This could work too.
Obviously you need to be logging off with all your loot in an industrial ship each night at a safe spot. many times they will put bubbles all around your pos to catch and kill anyone who logs in.
If you have no issues with just loosing a small pos then this is an okay idea. Otherwize only put up a large and make it very hard to kill. (Mediums POS's are still very easy to kill)
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Tubrug1
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Posted - 2010.12.13 19:25:00 -
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What could I get for 500 mil? Donations are welcome btw :P
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