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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:35:00 -
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PEW PEW PEW
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Of a thread based on a legendary thread.
 Originally by: CCP Zulu
You're assuming I read threads before I turdpost in them :)
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Oni Triad
Originally by: Furb Killer
The victims are everyone who isn't botting.
Riiiiiight.
Well, if 10 bots give you around 15 supercarriers a month you just HAVE TO bot yourself too. Otherwise you cannot compete with the botters. And these 10 bots are run without any effort. So, imagine if you have 50 bots at hand ... that's 75 supercarriers each month. With minimal effort.
So if you do not bot and play the game fair and legal you will have no chance.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:46:00 -
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Funny how CCP fix the exploit 'sphere' within days of whining, which focused heavily on botters but cant do **** about botters.
The other 50% gift next week better be something to kill off botters
Originally by: Kool StoryBro
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:46:00 -
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You really need to learn how to comprehend what is written, There were no accusations.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:50:00 -
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After Unholy Rage, ISK site prices went from *if memory serves* like $22-25/bn up to $50-60/bn and PLEX prices went down to around 200-225mil.
As botting returned, PLEX prices continued to rise steadily. Interestingly, one of the metrics CCP used to demonstrate the effectiveness of unholy rage was +4 mem impant, which hasn't gone down or changed much at all in the last year and a half.
PLEX was smart for CCP on many levels, but it ties them to botters. Without botters, PLEX prices tank, and buying legit ISK is more expensive, so they sell less PLEX. They let botters go, PLEX prices rise, and they sell more. The rub isn't botters, it's whether money lost from players buying RMT isk is more than the money made from increased PLEX prices.
Given the economists CCP employs, I would bet that they've modeled this out based on numbers before and after Unholy Rage, up to present. If I was modeling it, I would also include personnel costs for their significant time expenditures in running down RMT, so I imagine they have too.
[So] the reason we haven't seen another Unholy Rage, 17 months later is: Because CCP empirically KNOWS they make MORE money with RMT groups, than without them. And since when has CCP gone much out of their way for players, especially when it costs money.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jasdemi
Who gives a **** about botters? The only victims are people who buy ISK with real money.
No...
The victims is EVE itself ans us the players.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.12.05 12:55:00 -
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CCP empirically KNOWS they make MORE money with RMT groups, than without them.
Sad but true, and I can't even blame them.
Originally by: Samuel Langhorne Clemens
I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.
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Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:06:00 -
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I hope the recent insights and publicity in botting and in the extent it is done is enough to wake up CCP. Unfortunately, I expect a locked thread or deleted thread shortly.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:14:00 -
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If someone was to anchor a bubble on every belt in a system then jump out, would the bot recognise the bubble and try to destroy / get out of it?
Originally by: Kool StoryBro
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Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:23:00 -
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I think it's good that the site is bringing this into the 'spotlight'. It has a profound impact on every single player who plays EVE without botting 23.5/7.
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Othran
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 05/12/2010 13:25:12
Originally by: Suitonia
I hope the recent insights and publicity in botting and in the extent it is done is enough to wake up CCP. Unfortunately, I expect a locked thread or deleted thread shortly.
I genuinely don't believe that CCP can afford to deal with botting at this stage - two games (in development) eating cash with no subs being funded solely by Eve.
Ban the botters and PLEX income stream is down the toilet.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:35:00 -
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Now that I think about it I have never seen a single "I was (falsely) banned for botting" thread.
We get the RMT, reverse isk, exploit ban threads (which all claim to be innocent) but I have never once seen a single "I was wrongly banned for botting" thread.
So I am starting to believe people are allowed to bot, if CCP want subs they should just make everything cost 100 ISK, remove plex and the game will turn into no risk PvP which will attract more people
Originally by: Kool StoryBro
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Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
Edited by: Othran on 05/12/2010 13:25:12
Originally by: Suitonia
I hope the recent insights and publicity in botting and in the extent it is done is enough to wake up CCP. Unfortunately, I expect a locked thread or deleted thread shortly.
I genuinely don't believe that CCP can afford to deal with botting at this stage - two games (in development) eating cash with no subs being funded solely by Eve.
Ban the botters and PLEX income stream is down the toilet.
I don't think it is as cut and dry as that. The only real benefit that Botters give to CCP is that they pay for their accounts, or buy GTCs from other players. One could also argue that they reduce CCPs income in a similar way by offering isk as lower than $plex/isk rate and such take customers who would normally by a PLEX for isk and instead buy from a Botter/Isk Seller.
A lot of isk sellers also use Hacked or stolen accounts, stolen credit cards, keyloggers and other means to get isk than sweatshop/botting, which probably costs CCP a lot of overhead when it comes to the strain it puts on their customer support and GMs. Not to mention refused and refunded stolen credit card charges. Another point is that botting characters usually use up a lot more server resources than normal players, as shown during unholy rage. It's also incredibly bad publicity for the real players who want to have a good and fair experience without it being cheapened by those using macros.
In the end, I think that CCP (monetary wise) doesn't benefit at all. And the negetive experience than hacking, botting and RMT adds to the game definitely means CCP is on the losing side of RMT, it does a lot more harm than good for CCP. Of course, finding, detecting and dealing with botters also costs a good chunk of resources and it is possible that CCP is better in pocket by simply ignoring them and taking it, than spending the time and money to remove them.
I really hope that CCP decides to make a public announcement regarding these recent revelations and show us what they've done in the past against botters.
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Servus X
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
The victims are everyone who isnt botting.
If nothing is done about this, the ultimate victim will be Eve Online - the game known for being so crap only bots play it.
CCP must also understand that another one-time Unholy Rage won't be enough, the never-ending race against bots needs continuous attention from the developers.
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Bismaru RELOADED
Amarr
DEVIL'S SOULDEAD SS
Circle of Steel
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Posted - 2010.12.05 13:53:00 -
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I get banned for alt spamming almost every post but botters get freedom,..
I DEMAND EQUAL JUSTICE!,..
BAN BOTTERS, BAN PL, BAN ISK SELLERS,..
               
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Does Snot shot and General asspoops eat poo poo and do they do it in the same cup or not ?
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.12.05 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia
A lot of isk sellers also use Hacked or stolen accounts, stolen credit cards, keyloggers and other means to get isk than sweatshop/botting, which probably costs CCP a lot of overhead when it comes to the strain it puts on their customer support and GMs.
A lot of them, implying not all. Which means CCP is only hurt by criminals who engage in activities which overlap with the "pure" RMT botters. So botting itself doesn't hurt them, criminal activity which is often associated but not always associated is what hurts them.
Honestly it is hard to metric how "hurt" CCP is by botting because by definition it is all illegal, and so they nor anyone else will ever get a sample population for study that is reliable. At best they will only be able to metric those who get caught, and those who get caught are invariably the least creative and resourceful as well as being the most stupid and careless. This also is a factor in designing ways to combat botters, you will only ever be able to design methods of combating the dumbest of botters, which can only be the lowest percentile of what I would suspect is a bell curve distribution of botters intelligence.
Originally by: Samuel Langhorne Clemens
I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.12.05 14:36:00 -
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I r smartz.
This definitely proves the link between whining about botting and increased botting.
Originally by: CCP Zulu
You're assuming I read threads before I turdpost in them :)
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Vilgan Mazran
Explosive Decompression.
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Posted - 2010.12.05 14:52:00 -
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Would really love to see them do something about the bots. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening unless there is a large amount of negative PR about it. EveNews24 has done the first step, but it'd need to be on massively and maybe some mainstream news things for CCP to give a **** about it.
Altho if they just banned all of shadows of xxdeath, solar wing, wrent, and unbanned the couple who were actually playing the game it'd hit a lot of the problem.
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Amsterdam Conversations
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Posted - 2010.12.05 15:02:00 -
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And down evenews24 goes. Lasted a few weeks until it turned to utter ****.
I bet Czech actually feels like a martyr now, that something which has been lying hidden for years, is suddenly revealed: People use bots to farm ISK. Oh, surprise. And oh, surprise, alliance leaders try to RMT some of their ISK (and I actually believe 80% of people claiming to do this think they make themselves look pretty cool and don't even RMT at all).
And then it's shown how bots work and what they can do, what an innovation!
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egegergergsdgedgege
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Posted - 2010.12.05 15:11:00 -
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Thats nothing new.
Most alliances have some kind of unofficial bot program. Evoke for example had or has a whole corp dedicated for farming anomalies. And they use bots very successfully.
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.12.05 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Quote:
CCP empirically KNOWS they make MORE money with RMT groups, than without them.
Sad but true, and I can't even blame them.
This. If you can't beat them, join them. Everyone's (that has a life) got afk time that they might as well "use".
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Mistress Ingrid
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.12.05 15:36:00 -
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This is why new alliances can't gain 0.0 footholds. New alliances moving into 0.0 are a threat to botter's livelihoods.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.12.05 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Derelicht
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Quote:
CCP empirically KNOWS they make MORE money with RMT groups, than without them.
Sad but true, and I can't even blame them.
This. If you can't beat them, join them. Everyone's (that has a life) got afk time that they might as well "use".
No I mean I can't blame CCP, no one wants a business to fail. I do blame the botters for making the game ****ty.
Originally by: Samuel Langhorne Clemens
I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.
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Isaac Apylon
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2010.12.05 15:47:00 -
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This is absolutely ridiculous. I read the article the other day and pretty much lost any real desire to play Eve. I mean, why bother? There's no reason to find creative ways to make your isk if you can just bot it up and have enough isk to last the next 10 years. Not to mention that this effectively makes the permanent loss risk mechanic of pvp nonexistent.
And the sad thing is, CCP probably won't do anything about it. Heck, if the article is right, they'd have to ban a ton of (paying) bot accounts, not to mention plenty of nullsec players. CCP makes money off of it, too, so they don't really have any reason to stop it in the immediate future. Which is sad, because it will cost them the game in the somewhat more distant future. 
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Mitsune Konno
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Posted - 2010.12.05 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: Derelicht
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Quote:
CCP empirically KNOWS they make MORE money with RMT groups, than without them.
Sad but true, and I can't even blame them.
This. If you can't beat them, join them. Everyone's (that has a life) got afk time that they might as well "use".
No I mean I can't blame CCP, no one wants a business to fail. I do blame the botters for making the game ****ty.
don't blame the botters. Blame the people who buy isk. If there's no demand, then the botters will wither away.
It's just like the drug problem. You blame drug lords, but really, it's the drug users that are the problem.
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.12.05 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Mitsune Konno
don't blame the botters. Blame the people who buy isk.
Pretty sure most of this game relies on PLEX existing, which is a way of buying ISK.
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Mistress Ingrid
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.12.05 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mitsune Konno
don't blame the botters. Blame the people who buy isk. If there's no demand, then the botters will wither away.
It's just like the drug problem. You blame drug lords, but really, it's the drug users that are the problem.
Just like the drug problem, it's not the users or the dealers I give a damn about. The bullets that the dealers shoot at each other, and the people that get robbed by the users that are the real problems that need to be solved.
Blame both parties.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:07:00 -
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if a PLEX will be 500m ISk you wont have bots
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Isaac Apylon
And the sad thing is, CCP probably won't do anything about it. Heck, if the article is right, they'd have to ban a ton of (paying) bot accounts, not to mention plenty of nullsec players. CCP makes money off of it, too, so they don't really have any reason to stop it in the immediate future. Which is sad, because it will cost them the game in the somewhat more distant future.
CCP did ban 9200 accounts last year so obviously they do "nothing".
I say it is about time they do it again though.
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Killstealing
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:11:00 -
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solution: integrate basic bots in the game
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