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Carniflex
StarHunt
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Mistress Ingrid
This is why new alliances can't gain 0.0 footholds. New alliances moving into 0.0 are a threat to botter's livelihoods.
In most cases new alliances gaining foothold in 0.0 have at least few bot corps in the mix. They just accept anyone glancing in their direction.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:20:00 -
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Quote:
don't blame the botters. Blame the people who buy isk. If there's no demand, then the botters will wither away.
It's just like the drug problem. You blame drug lords, but really, it's the drug users that are the problem.
Wrong, only part of the bots are used for RMT. The others are just used for ISK farming to produce supercaps on a massive scale. And people who like to buy faction ships but cant be bothered to earn isk or buy plex (BE).
So no one buying isk, still ****load of bots running arround to make sure your powerblock has more supers than the other side. How to stop that: remove the grinding of isk, make pve fun instead of mindkilling boring. Then also stop adding ships that are very expensive but are also wtfpwnmobiles (super caps).
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:21:00 -
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Look at all these Chribba alts replying!
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Jamie Jin
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:26:00 -
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This makes me hate every single 0.0 player. As rat botting does nothing but make me poor because Im not doing it. The 0.0 mining bots at least provide empire with cheaper ships sort of.
Makes me want to train a SB on an alt and go to stain. But intstantly feel depressed as I realize the futility in this.
Makes me not want to try to earn ISK for myself anymore because it take me effort and Im doing it so slow in comparison. I don't want to bot.. so I feel like I have nothing to do.
It makes me angry at CCP people like KIA Eddz HOSTED AN ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT. Turns out he RMTs which isn't a suprise but this makes me ffel CCP is in on it or all buddy buddy with them. Just like with the gm cheating and t2 bpo spawning.
Makes me rethink what I want to do in EVE and makes me feel bad about all the money I spent on it.
Ruins the game for me.
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Isaac Apylon
As Far As The eYe can see
Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Isaac Apylon on 05/12/2010 16:28:04
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
CCP did ban 9200 accounts last year so obviously they do "nothing". 
I say it is about time they do it again though.
Yes, I remember Unholy Rage, and it was a good step forward. But it's apparently not enough. They need to work on measures to prevent botting in the first place, and they need to ban the people on the receiving end of these things, not just the bots themselves. Ban the isk buyers as well as the sellers. And ban all the accounts of anyone using bots in the first place.
Edited in a missing letter.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mitsune Konno
don't blame the botters. Blame the people who buy isk.
Botting and RMT are two different things. Yes, bots ARE used to generate isk which is then sold illegally. But isk is generated other ways as well.
Botting itself is just independent from RMT. You can bot for years and never sell any isk. Instead you can build motherships, titans, become a power roaming through the galaxy and jumping on everyone with tons of supercapitals etc. You can hire mercenaries with all the isk you generate and so on.
You don't need to get involved with RMT in any way when you bot. You just give you, your corp or your alliance a huge boost. And if you don't bot you are at a massive disadvantage. |
Baneken
Gallente
School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:44:00 -
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Simple solution : go internets -> look for most obvious botting programs -> next patch day runs a hidden detection program -> perma every single account having one of those programs running in the past month -> problem solved and player base halved. 
On serious note there need to be a some sort of control to see who is botting and who isn't.
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Jenny Jihad
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.12.05 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Mitsune Konno
don't blame the botters. Blame the people who buy isk.
Botting and RMT are two different things. Yes, bots ARE used to generate isk which is then sold illegally. But isk is generated other ways as well.
Botting itself is just independent from RMT. You can bot for years and never sell any isk. Instead you can build motherships, titans, become a power roaming through the galaxy and jumping on everyone with tons of supercapitals etc. You can hire mercenaries with all the isk you generate and so on.
You don't need to get involved with RMT in any way when you bot. You just give you, your corp or your alliance a huge boost. And if you don't bot you are at a massive disadvantage.
Botter Probability: Black EXTREMELY LIKELY.
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.05 17:20:00 -
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For those of you screaming at CCP, you cannot stop them and you never will be able to stop them.
There are many many more people who want to cheat into wealth than there are CCP employees all together. You could ban every single one of them, and within 2-3 months they would be back with new methods/programs/characters.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2010.12.05 17:56:00 -
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Eve already gave us what we need to deal with this, but the sheer mass of ignorance about this issue and the passive way of thinking 'it doesn't affect me, so why bother?' only makes it continue to be possible.
If the playerbase truly understood what was going on and how it affects them, we would see tons of ****ed of bears streaming into 0.0 to kill those who steal their livelihood. |
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.12.05 18:14:00 -
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But the minerals I mine are freeeeeeeeeee
Originally by: CCP Zulu
You're assuming I read threads before I turdpost in them :)
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.05 18:56:00 -
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I never go into where the ISK comes from that passes through me as I'm better off not knowing, and I fully assist CCP in any matteres needed regarding said transactions if there is any questions about them.
Altho I would suspect there isn't that many direct RMT ISK passing through me or any other 3rd party as when it comes to the supercaps, someone needs to provide the ship - compared to if someone goes out and "buy" 100B ISK.
Interesting article either way, but I don't really think it has anything to do with me - except me getting mentioned without my knowledge. I'd love to see CCP look into the software/etc and figure out ways to deal with it.
/c
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Trajan Ultor
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Posted - 2010.12.05 18:59:00 -
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If CCP went after bots, wouldn't that lead to a collapse in GTC prices ? Wouldn't that lead to people not buying GTC's if their present value in iskies fell ? Would this have a dramatic impact on CCP's income generated from GTC's ?
CCP may have a problem if the above is true.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.05 19:02:00 -
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Not only should CCP do more about people caught in RMT, but the authorities of their home country should be notified so that the voting rights of the individual should be forever revoked.
It might also be helpful to forcibly sterilize players who purchase ISK with RM as well.
Because anyone who would do that should not have the power to put someone with power to make laws over me, nor should they make more people like themselves.
There is no bigger loser than someone who buys ISK and for what? To be leet? To feel better about themselves in a virtual world construct?
Yes there are upsides to this. At least when they buy ISK, that's less money for a big tacky spoiler to put on their Honda Accord and go cutting people off in traffic because they can. It's also less money spent on stupid tribal tattoos and extreme fighting t-shirts to wear while sitting around looking at strangers with a mean expression.
They are stealing air.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.05 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Not only should CCP do more about people caught in RMT, but the authorities of their home country should be notified so that the voting rights of the individual should be forever revoked.
It might also be helpful to forcibly sterilize players who purchase ISK with RM as well.
I will never agree with anything you say but I do enjoy reading your threads and posts, please keep them coming
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Pesadel0
the muppets
Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.12.05 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Isaac Apylon
And the sad thing is, CCP probably won't do anything about it. Heck, if the article is right, they'd have to ban a ton of (paying) bot accounts, not to mention plenty of nullsec players. CCP makes money off of it, too, so they don't really have any reason to stop it in the immediate future. Which is sad, because it will cost them the game in the somewhat more distant future. 
CCP did ban 9200 accounts last year so obviously they do "nothing".
I say it is about time they do it again though.
Did you read the thread?If you did then read the thread that is on the devil's site to know more , if true it is simplly appaling to say the least that :
1- CCP IsnŠt getting this F**** banned and who else is buying isk and promoting them in their space.
2-The worst thing of all is IF CCP canŠt track them , they(Botters) are ruining everyone else game because they can interfere in the market wars,0.0 wars etc..
I really am hopping that this getting way out of porpotione ,but if this gets and it will get to slash,MMo sites this is going to be bigger than the dev in bob and bigger then the moon goo exploit.
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Slobber Knobber
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Posted - 2010.12.05 19:25:00 -
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I hope these article (especially re:how to bot) can get some more exposure so maybe CCP will do more about botting and I hope we don't have to wait 18months.
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Dirk Mortice
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Posted - 2010.12.05 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Trajan Ultor
If CCP went after bots, wouldn't that lead to a collapse in GTC prices ? Wouldn't that lead to people not buying GTC's if their present value in iskies fell ? Would this have a dramatic impact on CCP's income generated from GTC's ?
CCP may have a problem if the above is true.
Not necessarily.
GTC prices are related to the current ISK/$ rate. You always get less from GTCs as they aren't risky, but they do move together as, if ISK/GTC ratio goes up, RMTers have to offer more ISK/$ to get the sales.
If CCP then does something serious about RMT, the ISK/$ rate would skyrocket due to the difficulty in gathering isk. This would force people to use the GTC trade, -> GTC prices would rise. Far more than the potential drop due to RMTers not wanting to buy gametime anymore.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.05 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Kalle Demos on 05/12/2010 19:39:38
Plex prices are dropping pretty fast atm btw, they only started to increase when microtransactions was going to happen, so unless an unholy rage has happened conveniently at the same time it was announced that microtransactions wasnt going to happen, I really doubt theres a link between them and RMT.
Originally by: Kool StoryBro
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Trajan Ultor
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Posted - 2010.12.05 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Mortice
Not necessarily.
GTC prices are related to the current ISK/$ rate. You always get less from GTCs as they aren't risky, but they do move together as, if ISK/GTC ratio goes up, RMTers have to offer more ISK/$ to get the sales.
If CCP then does something serious about RMT, the ISK/$ rate would skyrocket due to the difficulty in gathering isk. This would force people to use the GTC trade, -> GTC prices would rise. Far more than the potential drop due to RMTers not wanting to buy gametime anymore.
I think there are 2 issues here.
1) Using bots for RMT.
2) Using bots for in-game production, ie SC fleets - keeping large tracks of 0.0 and GTC to cover the production bots and the many characters needed in an alliance.
I don't know which group is larger. I assume that Alliances who have large Bot production operations use most of the revenue to fund huge fleets and GTC, for themselves and the bot characters, not for RMT. If this group was damaged by CCP I assume the number of GTC purchases would drop dramatically, thus a decrease in GTC isk value.
It could also be that RMT is larger and an attack on bots would push more people to a safer isk for $ source, GTC and increase there value.
Not enough information available for me to know, even after over a year in 0.0.
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Jamie Jin
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.12.05 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Trajan Ultor
Originally by: Dirk Mortice
Not necessarily.
GTC prices are related to the current ISK/$ rate. You always get less from GTCs as they aren't risky, but they do move together as, if ISK/GTC ratio goes up, RMTers have to offer more ISK/$ to get the sales.
If CCP then does something serious about RMT, the ISK/$ rate would skyrocket due to the difficulty in gathering isk. This would force people to use the GTC trade, -> GTC prices would rise. Far more than the potential drop due to RMTers not wanting to buy gametime anymore.
I think there are 2 issues here.
1) Using bots for RMT.
2) Using bots for in-game production, ie SC fleets - keeping large tracks of 0.0 and GTC to cover the production bots and the many characters needed in an alliance.
I don't know which group is larger. I assume that Alliances who have large Bot production operations use most of the revenue to fund huge fleets and GTC, for themselves and the bot characters, not for RMT. If this group was damaged by CCP I assume the number of GTC purchases would drop dramatically, thus a decrease in GTC isk value.
It could also be that RMT is larger and an attack on bots would push more people to a safer isk for $ source, GTC and increase there value.
Not enough information available for me to know, even after over a year in 0.0.
A lot of alliances RMT, they will sell their supercarrier through RMT sites or buy them themselves. KIA Eddz a prominents example from KIA. Was exposed as an RMTer and actively bragging about it and encouraging it on vent. RMT for high value items is extraordinarily pervasive and OPEN. I say that because I was SHOCKED at how much it went on.
I use KIA eddz as an example because he helped host the CCP sponsored alliance tournament and was flown to Iceland I believe a few years ago. The fact that he so openly does it on such a large level should tell you something.
This was in part exposed on the Eve o forums but also on several forums in more depth which I believe is a bannable offense to link to forum wise. But... you could google.
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StillBorn CrackBaby
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Posted - 2010.12.05 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mitsune Konno
...it's the drug users that are the problem.
I am NOT a problem...
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MaxxOmega
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.12.05 20:40:00 -
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After reading this early this morning I'm in a real mindset. Thinking about closing my 4 accounts, this really isn't the kind of game I thought EVE was/is/should be...
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.05 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: MaxxOmega
After reading this early this morning I'm in a real mindset. Thinking about closing my 4 accounts, this really isn't the kind of game I thought EVE was/is/should be...
evenews gets all its **** from kugu & shc and since kugu have a tendency to exaggerate at every opportunity, this thread and the source may be inaccurate, it is obvious theres issues with botting, rmt and all that crap but if you read some of the crap on kugu you would think it was written by ISDs.
Saying that, there is obviously an issue that has long been ignored by ccp.
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Corcyrus Endymion
Caldari
Excessum Corporation
Excessum Gaming
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Posted - 2010.12.05 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: MaxxOmega
After reading this early this morning I'm in a real mindset. Thinking about closing my 4 accounts, this really isn't the kind of game I thought EVE was/is/should be...
Seriously? There have been bots for online games since the first farm MMO came around. You must have led a very limited/blindfolded online life until now, if you were ignorant to RMT/botting so far.
As long as CCP bans some token amount of botters every X days, I'll be happy enough. Erasing it and/or making it impossible is well.. impossible anyways. If they can't bot, they will just focus on account stealing a lot more.
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Pesadel0
the muppets
Talos Coalition
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Posted - 2010.12.05 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion
Originally by: MaxxOmega
After reading this early this morning I'm in a real mindset. Thinking about closing my 4 accounts, this really isn't the kind of game I thought EVE was/is/should be...
Seriously? There have been bots for online games since the first farm MMO came around. You must have led a very limited/blindfolded online life until now, if you were ignorant to RMT/botting so far.
As long as CCP bans some token amount of botters every X days, I'll be happy enough. Erasing it and/or making it impossible is well.. impossible anyways. If they can't bot, they will just focus on account stealing a lot more.
I donŠt think you are seeing the magnitide of what some people are doing.
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CCP Adida
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.05 21:19:00 -
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Locked as RMT is against the EULA. Link removed to RMT discussion.
Adida
Community Rep
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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