I haven't seen a thread about nerfing level 4s in a while. Who are you talking to?

I haven't seen a thread about nerfing level 4s in a while. Who are you talking to?

L4s don't need to be nerfed. Nullsec ratting needs to be buffed.

L4s don't need to be nerfed. Nullsec ratting needs to be buffed.

Theres should be some direction for players to take that gently gets them into other aspects of eve, perhaps a cap on agents total missions he/she can hand out for a player?

Terrible idea. You can't force somebody to play the game you want. What's next? A cap on the amount of PI products you can produce in one month? A cap on the number of Sleeper NPCs you can blow up? Cap the number of jumps Freighter pilots can make? Sorry, but it's back to the drawing board for you.

Mission runners tend to run missions to make isk to run missions better till they get ganked in their 15 bil golem and quit.

Theres should be some direction for players to take that gently gets them into other aspects of eve, perhaps a cap on agents total missions he/she can hand out for a player?

Okay a flat out limit on missions was way too harsh, what i mean to say is how about adding soming that gets them into probing plexing sometimes, or pvp or whatever really. Give qa huge bonus to the mission rewards for missions out of the 'normal' like the once in 100 combat missions thats a hauling mission, that everyone turns down instantly.

I did my fair share of agent running but it got boring so i sought out other fun to do with my mission isk.

They somewhat started this idea with "Epic Arc" missions. However they seem to have steered away from it and have focused on other things.

My experience with agent running (right upto a max missions completion speed CNR) was that once i got there all i did was help others get there and chain missions after mission for isk i didnt really need.

The epic arcs are good, but there needs to be a link to the actual agents and rewards for doing them as a lvl 4 referral etc

Right now, you run missions, get isk, run more missions. Its a closed circuit.

Why does the game need more PvE content?

Oh man, I thought those threads were just opportunities for trolling...

I would, but I don't wanna get banned.

Again.

Besides, I hear l4s are pretty damn boring and their own punishment. I'm just about to do some standings grinding so we'll see..

...missions are somehow a totally isolated activity...

And those who say to make the rats smarter... let me tell you something. The only reason why an small ninja-looter t2 frigate can kill a 10b golem is because the

And those who say to make the rats smarter... let me tell you something. The only reason why an small ninja-looter t2 frigate can kill a 10b golem is because the mission rats help a lot. Make the rats change aggro from the runner to the ninja and you are actually helping the runner.

It doesn't currently feel like CCP has any real PvE focus

Actually the only reason a ninja looter in a frigate can kill a mission runner in a 10B Golem is that the mission runner was stupid enough to shoot at the ninja looter, without the stupidity the ninja looter wouldn't be able to do diddly apart from be flagged as a thief on the overview.

Mission runners farm NPCs, ninjas farm stupid mission runners, An AI that switched aggro in the way that sleepers do would not only target drones, it would target ninjas and mission runners alike, from the statement I quoted it would appear that some ninja looters would prefer not to gain aggro from the NPCs, who's the carebear?

You are the carebear because you want the rats to kill the ninja for you.

Speaking as the ultimate carebear, level 4's in hisec still do need to be nerfed a little bit more. Though the rewards for 0.0 mission running are easily double hisec's mission rewards, the problem comes that other activities have much different levels of incentive for the supposed increased risk. Mining in hisec can get you like 50m/h per hulk, ratting gets you barely enough to pay for ammo, manufacturing has razor thin profit margins, if any. You can't moon mine, you can't build caps, you can't run reactions. PI is much less productive, Research points aren't that great. But you can create high demand items that compete directly with random drops from relatively rare spawns in 0.0 for very little risk, and have direct risk free access to the market in which to sell said items. The only thing that makes more steady isk per hour is 0.0 Mission running, and even that can be limited by the random hostile activity in the paltry few areas that you can perform the task.

The difference between income in hi/low/null shouldn't be factors of 2 or 3, it should be orders of magnitude.

... ratting gets you barely enough to pay for ammo ....

Actually I couldn't give 2 tosses about ninja looters, I tend to recover my drones and ignore them. If they've taken the time to scan me down and loot my wrecks then fair play to them, they're generally not after the loot anyway, more like after an easy killmail which I go out of my way to deny them.

I can buy 90% of mission objectives via contract or on the market so it's very rare that a ninja looter manages to screw with my missioning. If they manage to get killed by rats then that's their problem.

"I didn't wanted to kill the ninja anyways" lol

Yeah that actually makes little sense.

Besides, I hear l4s are pretty damn boring and their own punishment. I'm just about to do some standings grinding so we'll see..

move L3 and L4 missions to NPC Null-sec.

Buff tech moons, problem solved.

Anomalies are the "big thing" in 0.0, not missions.

Anomolies kinda suck to me. you get mediocre payout, and then get sent to a random system for a random chance at some good loot, and most of the time you can't solo the escalations. Even if they are the thing, they should be. but hisec missions arent much worse, if you factor in the risk involved.

you get mediocre payout

I wonder if EveO is getting to a place where all the constant changes (plus and minus) will begin to affect the userbase's willingness to continue playing. No, I'm not saying it's dying. Just wondering if CCP has considered just chilling out for a while and letting the player base get comfortable with the game as it is...

Yeah, no, you don't.

It not just a pvp game if you want that play dust or battlestar online with only pvp and thats it.

They somewhat started this idea with "Epic Arc" missions. However they seem to have steered away from it and have focused on other things.

CCP has provided you with all the tools you need to jump inside the mission and ruin the mission runner's day. If you are incompetent in doing so, it's your problem, not a game problem. Please stop asking CCP to do your job for you.

If you are clueless as per what to do, please head over to C&P and ask for directions.

The whole PVE system needs a revamp. How missions are done and rewards, also how loot works(in general). Sadly most will cry foul and say its a nerf because they are too stuck in their ways to see how damaging the current system really is. Not only from a economic standpoint but also from a new player retention aspect.

Player retention, how is making high-sec worthless going to help with player retention?

Those that think that making high-sec worthless so people will go to low-sec or 0.0 are just deluding themselves.



It would take a major overhaul of the way the game works to get people into low-sec and 0.0. It's not going to happen.

Reading all of this, i smell a good opportunity to bait mission runners into
shooting outlaws that zoom around in the missions in a fast vigil ...

This needs further investigation !

I'll make sure to leave a couple of web and scram frigates for you

Nerf Bounties, Move l4 out of high sec, etc... they pop up weekly.

L4s don't need to be nerfed. Lowsec ratting needs to be buffed.

Starting to wonder, don't you closet idyots know that more playerbase dwells within highsec than low/ null?

Ie: don't skrew with the main source of funding for the game, or you'll be back to the lame games you came from.

There is nothing wrong with level 4 mission payout and rewards, more missions need to be added, if anything .

Just a little bit, and they need to make it harder to rat with capital ships.

Level 4's are fine. Most serious runners will only invest a couple bil at most on an efficient ship and farm LP's to sell faction stuff. It feeds the market and it does not creates money (most of it, anyway) out of thin ice.

So that's where I am going wrong!

My level 4 Navy Domi and fittings is worth quite a bit less than 1 bill.

It does the job, why pay more and be a gank magnet?

the problem with anomalies is that there is literally only one type worth running

I'm trying to wonder if "idyots" like you realize most highsec players are nullsec alts.

Because Nullsec is so broken, it's easier to make a highsec alt and use that to make money rather than live in null 100% of the time.

I do agree with you at the end there -- there's nothing wrong with level 4 mission payout and rewards -- they just need to be moved to lowsec and nullsec, and not in Highsec.

And they definitely need to add more missions -- in lowsec and nullsec.