Wrong Forum, GD is for discussion of TQ.

then where do I post this?

Sounds like BS.

I doubt they'd issue a ship when a covops can safely report on a war already.

CCP does not control Serenity?

Honest question.

Tiancity does.

CCP does not control Serenity?

Are you suggesting corruption on the part of Chinese "officials"?

Huh...

Think its more a misinterpretation. Those ships are given to certain individuals for reporting reasons. Similar to the ISD on Tranq. The same is probably done on Serenity but have different requirements/restrictions/name.

Came in expecting Firefly discussion.

Left disappointed.

The player own organization clarfies itself as having nothing to do with Tiancity the Serenity Server agent. Yet Tiancity issues a Polaris Observer to this organization without any early notice and claims that they have had authorization for CCP. This is what my friend is skeptical about.

Serenity is operated by our Chinese partner, Tiancity.

as what player reporters use it for on Tranq. Also same with Tranq.

Serenity is operated by our Chinese partner, Tiancity.

If its ran by Tiancity then it really doesn't need authorization from CCP to release something like that. I don't know Tiancity's policy on this ship however like i said earlier they are probably using it for the same purposes as what player reporters use it for on Tranq. Also same with Tranq. I'm sure Serenity have a monitoring system to check for abuse like what you are worried about.

Oh, so its a business partner. Thanks for the clarification.


So ... can i have Polaris? For news. I swear.

Serenity is operated by our Chinese partner, Tiancity.

Surprised we've not seen a Chinese knockoff of the game already.

S

What player owned organization?

Serenity is operated by our Chinese partner, Tiancity.

As my friend mentioned in the letter. A eve based internet radio station.

My friend believes that CCP might not have seen the whole picture of this incident. Where could I find a solution for my friend? Is a petition enough?

Yeah its a radio station that was given the ship for reporting reasons only. If he abuses it then they will take it away...Maybe

Your best bet is to use Serenitys support system to ask if they monitor abuse of specialty ships such as the Polaris. Sadly irregardless of their answer there's not much you or CCP can do about it.

And CCP had to hand over control of their intellectual property to the Chinese partner I 'm guessing?

Surprised we've not seen a Chinese knockoff of the game already.

Same.

So does this mean that my friend and Serenity Players are at the mercy of Tiancity and the goodwill of this player? And when unfortunate things happen we could do nothing but say ces't la vi.

Hmm, wait a minute. Isn't this incident a proof of Tiancity's direct interference and manipulation of the eve-online gaming system? I thought agents couldn't do that....

they are probably using it for the same purposes as what player reporters use it for on Tranq. Also same with Tranq.

CCP issued polaris frigs to reporters here on tranqulity also to broadcast some events. So nth strange really.

CCP issued polaris frigs to reporters here on tranqulity also to broadcast some events. So nth strange really.

Oh yeah? Who?

CCP should give me a Jove battleship and let me run amok until it's destroyed. Call it a live event.

Have you actually seen the stats on an Eidolon? A couple of normal battleships would take it down pretty quick.

Have you actually seen the stats on an Eidolon? A couple of normal battleships would take it down pretty quick.

The problem is since this is a player owned organization when abuse of this ship happens and damage done there's no one to blame. Simply banning this ID would just be a joke since the player behind the screen could just find another ID.

CCP should give me a Jove battleship and let me run amok until it's destroyed. Call it a live event.

Since when?

last time i've seen Polaris info there was requirement Jove Frigate to fly it. So if you give this ship and skill to 1 person you can be sure noone around will be able to board it.

I think they started it when FW was introduced. The idea was to allow certain player volunteers to keep other players up to date on the real happenings of FW and write up reports and what not. That is as far as I remember.

Not sure why people are busting a nut over this. (Edit: Clearly these players would be highly monitored)

So now the puzzling thing is that how could an ordinary player owned organization be granted a Polaris Observer and GM ID?

The puzzle is why does anyone care.

Came in expecting Firefly discussion.

Left disappointed.

I think that most of us really don't care.

Truth tbh.

imo they should give a Polaris frig to Riverini, since he's just a reporter and all. A major sh*t storm would not ensue since noone would care.

I think they started it when FW was introduced. The idea was to allow certain player volunteers to keep other players up to date on the real happenings of FW and write up reports and what not. That is as far as I remember.

Not sure why people are busting a nut over this. (Edit: Clearly these players would be highly monitored)

Have you actually seen the stats on an Eidolon? A couple of normal battleships would take it down pretty quick.

I've seen an actual Eidolon on the test server, and it didn't last very long against a group of 6+ battleships.

CCP should give me a Jove battleship and let me run amok until it's destroyed. Call it a live event.

Player or NPC? Who was flying it?

Eve-wiki or in-game info do not show what sort of bonuses it has. Any sub-capital ship can go down pretty quickly if the pilot doesn't have the proper skills trained to a good level.

I tried boarding a Polaris frig once :( ... http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/ladyspank/sig_badsigns_03_polaris.jpg

Serenity is operated by our Chinese partner, Tiancity.

And CCP had to hand over control of their intellectual property to the Chinese partner I 'm guessing?

Surprised we've not seen a Chinese knockoff of the game already.

S

Could you link where there's evidence of this happening on TQ?

Oh hell no. That was dredged up from the far reaches of my memory. Gonna have to take my word for it or go find some stuff yourself from back in 08 :P

I've never heard of anything of the sort. So far as I know, TQ reporting by non-CCP employees has always been done from player ships (usually by players involved in the event making the news).

There have been some occurrences of GMs and Devs getting decloaked in various Polaris ships (at least once even dropping a Polaris frig as loot, though CCP worked out a trade with the person who got that loot), but those were all them watching fleetfights to get an idea of performance.

If you want to assert that CCP gave special spy reporter ships to players, you're gonna have to come up with the evidence to back it up.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISD_IC

In the time it took you to write that post you could've searched for it yourself.

Oh hell no. That was dredged up from the far reaches of my memory. Gonna have to take my word for it or go find some stuff yourself from back in 08 :P

I'm familiar with the IC program.

I see nothing in that about special ships.

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/298819-0/page/1
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1771532#post1771532

That's what Ive found besides my own memories of seeing ISD IC in polaris ships. But there's no doubt that you won't take that as "evidence". Should I take the time to petition a written statement form CCP or would you like get off your arse and do something yourself?

Those two threads, where people are mentioning ISDs in Polaris ships are evidence of ISDs in Polaris ships. I'm glad you think so low of me that you assume after dismissing not-evidence as not-evidence, I will also dismiss evidence as not-evidence.

As for doing something myself, go ahead and Google "Philosophical Burden of Proof." Basically means that if you make a claim (like "ISDs have access to Polaris Frigs"), you have to provide the evidence (like a post saying "Hey, this ISD guy was hanging out in his Polaris frig"). As someone who's simply responding to your claim, until you provide that evidence (as you now have), I am not required to do anything other than say "Show me.".

Maybe if I'd wished to enter into a drawn out philosophical discussion of the existence of a potato I would've cited several agricultural articles on the cultivation of the Solanum tuberosum plant. Instead I wanted to provide some semi relevant input to a half baked discussion about the apparent human rights violations by a CCP partner. E: in an internet spaceship forum about spaceships I really couldn't give a **** about what I'm obliged to do. If you really wanted to find stuff out that badly, why should I be expected to do the leg work for you?

Have you actually seen the stats on an Eidolon? A couple of normal battleships would take it down pretty quick.

You do realise those are two forum posts detailing the sightings of IDSs in Polaris frigs right? Forum posts from personal experience. What exactly do you think my original post was?

I think they started it when FW was introduced. The idea was to allow certain player volunteers to keep other players up to date on the real happenings of FW and write up reports and what not. That is as far as I remember.

Not sure why people are busting a nut over this. (Edit: Clearly these players would be highly monitored)

Thanks for assuming I didn't already know that. But then again I was simply providing input from personal experience (which oddly enough is exactly what the links I provided were doing... you know... the one's you treated as evidence.) Maybe if I'd wished to enter into a drawn out philosophical discussion of the existence of a potato I would've cited several agricultural articles on the cultivation of the Solanum tuberosum plant. Instead I wanted to provide some semi relevant input to a half baked discussion about the apparent human rights violations by a CCP partner. E: in an internet spaceship forum about spaceships I really couldn't give a **** about what I'm obliged to do. If you really wanted to find stuff out that badly, why should I be expected to do the leg work for you?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISD_IC

In the time it took you to write that post you could've searched for it yourself.

On behalf of a friend I am posting his request for CCP's response toward a recently incident in Serenity Server.

His letter follows below:

Dear CCP
Rumors have claimed that with the help and authorization of CCP, Tiancity the agent of Serenity server have issued a GM ship Polaris to a player ID called FM8052F«¦FÇà. The owner of this ID works for a player owned online radio station FM8052 which reports events in Serenity on their online channel. Recently the radio station reporters have encountered difficulties in reporting the ongoing war in Serenity due to malicious aggression from the warring factions. In order to safely broadcast the ongoing war, they have asked Tiancity for help and this is how the authorization of a GM ship in Serenity came to be.

Though many restrictions have been put upon this ID and the ship, I still have some doubts that needs clarifying.

1. Did CCP really authorize the ship and know the whole picture that it will be in the hands of an individual player and the ship could go anywhere it wants with total immunity from any kind of aggression? (NOT A GM!! ALSO NOT A ISD:IC MEMBER!!)
2. Is it really necessary and acceptable to authorize such a privileged ship to an ordinary player on his request just to report 'news'?
3. What kind of precautions have CCP and Tiancity deployed to prevent this player and ID, if unfortunate, breaking the integrity of Serenity and EVE-Online?

The Players in Serenity love this game and this incident concerns us greatly. We hope to hear from CCP and explain the situation as soon as possible.

Yours Sincerely
EVE Player in Serenity Server