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Daddy Lite	Posted - 2010.12.05 21:43:00 - [1] Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15 Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:43:49 Good eveing Crime ad punishment, This be my first post here and i am quite a new player. I am currently moving things in a badger MK1 and I am trying to pet things through Mara using the Piekura - Mara - Dantumi rout. I am looking for an intel chanel of some sort that will tell me if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates. I have already lost a few hauls. to Fla5hy Red and Python Cartel If you don't want to put the information on the forums feel free to EvE mail it to me. Thnx.
Del Preston	Posted - 2010.12.05 21:48:00 - [2] Quote: if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates. yes
Captain Spurious	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:35:00 - [3] Originally by: Daddy Lite Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15 if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates. No
Hybok	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Captain Spurious Originally by: Daddy Lite Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15 if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates. No yes
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:52:00 - [5] Originally by: Hybok Originally by: Captain Spurious Originally by: Daddy Lite Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15 if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates. No yes No Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: FOl2TY8 I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence. Yeah, I use that excuse too.
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:57:00 - [6] 10 mil a day, ill tell you with great accuracy if they are camping the gate or not.
Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: Hybok Originally by: Captain Spurious Originally by: Daddy Lite Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15 if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates. No yes No It's like Schrodinger's Cat; you have to jump through the gate to find out.
Xolornem Srrpep	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:27:00 - [8] His freighter is both popped and not popped.
Triple Entendre	Posted - 2010.12.06 02:53:00 - [9] Session changes will do that to a man. Originally by: CCP Zulu You're assuming I read threads before I turdpost in them :)
Lady Thanatos Nomadic Shadows	Posted - 2010.12.06 03:52:00 - [10] The gate is camped... and also not camped... at the same time

Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.12.06 04:11:00 - [11] Edited by: Lana Torrin on 06/12/2010 04:11:05 Originally by: Zeta Zhul It's like Schrodinger's Cat; you have to jump through the gate to find out. Having to jump through to find out of the gate is camped or not is nothing like Schrodinger's Cat. While it is true that the observer is unable to determine if the gate is camped or not at any given moment, there are parties involved that know with certainty if the gate is camped or not (the campers for one) and unlike Schrodinger's feline companion, this information is able to be transmitted beyond the confines of the gate without anyone having to look at the gate. The choice of the pirates to not inform anyone does not factor in to equation at all as the occupancy of the gate is already determined and the information about this determination is available before jumping. In contrast, the paradox of Schrodinger's Cat, the thing that makes it famous, is that while the fate of the kitty has already been determined, information about this cannot be transmitted outside the confines of the box without the box being inspected. Edit: So no, it isnt. Support giving carebears new toys
Xolornem Srrpep	Posted - 2010.12.06 04:23:00 - [12] It took you a paragraph to say, "That which is observed is, in this case, communicatable."? That's a gross oversimplification of Schrodinger's scenario, by the way, and the post was obviously a joke.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.12.06 04:41:00 - [13] Originally by: Xolornem Srrpep It took you a paragraph to say, "That which is observed is, in this case, communicatable."? That's a gross oversimplification of Schrodinger's scenario, by the way, and the post was obviously a joke. I fail to see how someone can take the miss application of Schrodinger's paradox as 'a joke'. It is of the upmost seriousness and still serves to demonstrate the flaw in logic of much of todayÆs modern physics. My comment however was that the state of the gate can be determined by the observer with a great degree of accuracy prior to them committing to the jump using only the tools the game makes available to them IF they know how to use them. Information about the occupation of the gate is accessable outside the confines of the gate. Also gates look nothing like cats. Cats are cute and purr and have a tail. Support giving carebears new toys
Soldarius Caldari Independent Coalition DEM0N HUNTERS	Posted - 2010.12.06 06:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Lana Torrin Also gates look nothing like cats. Cats are cute and purr and have a tail. Says you. This one looks like the gate through which Hell comes forth for your first-born child. http://www.myfunnyanimals.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/ugly-cat.jpg Oh. And this thread is now about kitteh "When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk."
Phlyk The VonBraun Institute	Posted - 2010.12.06 06:53:00 - [15] Generally the Piekura -> Mara and Mara -> Dantumi gates are not camped, but making more than a single run will attract attention quickly. Scout it with a shuttle to see how busy it is first, then go through with the goods. Unless this is a post by a Mail Lite alt in which case I need to say that it always makes me sad to see a blob of ships following your Firetail.
Laxyr Chamsin Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.06 13:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Daddy Lite Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15 Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:43:49 Good eveing Crime ad punishment, This be my first post here and i am quite a new player. I am currently moving things in a badger MK1 and I am trying to pet things through Mara using the Piekura - Mara - Dantumi rout. I am looking for an intel chanel of some sort that will tell me if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates. I have already lost a few hauls. to Fla5hy Red and Python Cartel If you don't want to put the information on the forums feel free to EvE mail it to me. Thnx. I would recommend using courier contracts. A blockaderunner-sized package (about 10k m¦) goes in and out of lowsec really quick for about 2-4mil. If you need the goods hauled to highsec with the fastest route going through lowsec you'll be far cheaper off. Personally I like flying courier contracts in a prowler. Very fast and nearly uncatchable in lowsec. So, if you already lost a few badgers + cargo you'll find courier contracts to be far cheaper =) Regards, Lax
Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2010.12.06 13:08:00 - [17] Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 06/12/2010 13:11:28 Originally by: Lana Torrin Edited by: Lana Torrin on 06/12/2010 04:11:05 Originally by: Zeta Zhul It's like Schrodinger's Cat; you have to jump through the gate to find out. Having to jump through to find out of the gate is camped or not is nothing like Schrodinger's Cat. While it is true that the observer is unable to determine if the gate is camped or not at any given moment, there are parties involved that know with certainty if the gate is camped or not (the campers for one) and unlike Schrodinger's feline companion, this information is able to be transmitted beyond the confines of the gate without anyone having to look at the gate. The choice of the pirates to not inform anyone does not factor in to equation at all as the occupancy of the gate is already determined and the information about this determination is available before jumping. In contrast, the paradox of Schrodinger's Cat, the thing that makes it famous, is that while the fate of the kitty has already been determined, information about this cannot be transmitted outside the confines of the box without the box being inspected. Edit: So no, it isnt. Actually yes it is. You're assuming that the Cat conundrum's perspective of a single observer applies to a gate when there are in fact many such observers of the gate. However the conundrum applies to all observers equally and at the same time. So the probability wave collapses when the gate is viewed whether by a transport pilot or by a gate camp pilot. That the pilots can communicate this is irrelevant because the Cat conundrum can be equally solved simply by opening the box. The key is that any specific pilot cannot know the state of a gate camp until they find out. Until they find out the state of a gate camp the gate camp may be or may not be, it is unresolved. Heh. To be or not to be, that is the ques ... get a point on that freighter! edit: yes this is all a joke. Annnnnnnd: I want that Hello Kitty Kestrel! Or the option to get ships in Hello Kitty paintjobs.
Efraya Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.06 13:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Daddy Lite Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:44:15 Edited by: Daddy Lite on 05/12/2010 21:43:49 Good eveing Crime ad punishment, This be my first post here and i am quite a new player. I am currently moving things in a badger MK1 and I am trying to pet things through Mara using the Piekura - Mara - Dantumi rout. I am looking for an intel chanel of some sort that will tell me if the gate in mara is being watched by pirates. I have already lost a few hauls. to Fla5hy Red and Python Cartel If you don't want to put the information on the forums feel free to EvE mail it to me. Thnx. Just create an 2 alt's on your account, move one to mara at a safe in scan range of the Piekura gate in mara, another one at a Mara gate safe in Dantumi. You can reverse them on the way back. You can see if the gate is camped that way without relying on others or disinfo. Alternatively, train for a Prorator. Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Jarek Kalensa FLA5HY RED	Posted - 2010.12.06 13:47:00 - [19] tl;dr The gate is only camped if you have a cat in your cargohold.
Proteus Maximus Caldari New Eden Outcasts	Posted - 2010.12.06 13:55:00 - [20] Contact me in game when you wish to transit the gate. I will see your taken care of.

War Kitten	Posted - 2010.12.06 15:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Jarek Kalensa tl;dr The gate is only camped if you have a cat in your cargohold. So don't haul any jaguars around and you should be fine.
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2010.12.06 18:05:00 - [22] During the hay days in Mara, we used to run a escort service between Piek into Mara and then for 2-3 jumps in lowsec. Escorted everything from freighters to battleships. Never lost a ship we escorted :) Just fyi most times if there is a gate camp the local pirates will have an alt on the Mara gate in Piek since if they get out blobbed they will run. Best thing to do is hire a local scout, and NEVER pay upfront.
8agpuss	Posted - 2010.12.06 18:39:00 - [23] Wait, am I camping the gate or not?
Hybok	Posted - 2010.12.06 19:22:00 - [24] i was hoping on a megaquote , C&P , i am dissapoint
Zaboth Garadath Amarr Ore Extraction Corporation	Posted - 2010.12.06 19:39:00 - [25] Never ever EVER EVER do this again. If anyone reads this they know who you are, what you fly, and where you are going. That makes it incredibly easy to kill you. Just use a courier contract to be safe _____________________________________________ 'If you really want to make someone hate you, explain to them, logically and politely, why they are wrong' - J. Baylock
Hybok	Posted - 2010.12.06 19:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Zaboth Garadath Never ever EVER EVER do this again. If anyone reads this they know who you are, what you fly, and where you are going. That makes it incredibly easy to kill you. Just use a courier contract to be safe for his sake i hope he posted with an alt
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2010.12.06 22:00:00 - [27] Originally by: War Kitten Originally by: Jarek Kalensa tl;dr The gate is only camped if you have a cat in your cargohold. So don't haul any jaguars around and you should be fine. And whatever you do, don't try transport a Jaguar and a Wolf in the same run. Takes hours to clean up all the damn fur and blood. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen.
Mail Lite FLA5HY RED	Posted - 2010.12.06 22:21:00 - [28] Quote: Unless this is a post by a Mail Lite alt in which case I need to say that it always makes me sad to see a blob of ships following your Firetail. Yes it make me sad too, thanks for your concern! Would just like to say that I have nothing to do with this alt. This is not my alt and any comments to this effect are grossly misleading and is grounds for a full investigation done by Adrea Skye and Spectre5535, as we all trust what ever they say. Fly dangerous o/ Mail
Belfelmalak	Posted - 2010.12.07 01:53:00 - [29] Ive been looking for some cats to keep the lovebirds that my exotic dancer has company.
Axemaster	Posted - 2010.12.07 06:46:00 - [30] Originally by: Lana Torrin Edited by: Lana Torrin on 06/12/2010 04:11:05 Originally by: Zeta Zhul It's like Schrodinger's Cat; you have to jump through the gate to find out. Having to jump through to find out of the gate is camped or not is nothing like Schrodinger's Cat. While it is true that the observer is unable to determine if the gate is camped or not at any given moment, there are parties involved that know with certainty if the gate is camped or not (the campers for one) and unlike Schrodinger's feline companion, this information is able to be transmitted beyond the confines of the gate without anyone having to look at the gate. The choice of the pirates to not inform anyone does not factor in to equation at all as the occupancy of the gate is already determined and the information about this determination is available before jumping. In contrast, the paradox of Schrodinger's Cat, the thing that makes it famous, is that while the fate of the kitty has already been determined, information about this cannot be transmitted outside the confines of the box without the box being inspected. Edit: So no, it isnt. Not sure if you just slipped up but this is quite wrong... and I take exception to "the flaw in logic of much of todayÆs modern physics". Modern physics is a wonder of truly beautiful mathematics, dismissing it so readily is just criminal. More importantly, any operation that allows an observer to determine the state of the gate collapses the wave function. That includes messages being sent by "special means" like in chat. Moreover, someone being there to observe does not collapse the wave function for anybody else. You can simply consider the observer as being included in the wavefunction, thus it remains undetermined for outside entities.

Spruillo Gallente Spruillo Corp	Posted - 2010.12.07 07:04:00 - [31] Edited by: Spruillo on 07/12/2010 07:05:06 Originally by: Lana Torrin Edited by: Lana Torrin on 06/12/2010 04:11:05 Originally by: Zeta Zhul It's like Schrodinger's Cat; you have to jump through the gate to find out. Having to jump through to find out of the gate is camped or not is nothing like Schrodinger's Cat. While it is true that the observer is unable to determine if the gate is camped or not at any given moment, there are parties involved that know with certainty if the gate is camped or not (the campers for one) and unlike Schrodinger's feline companion, this information is able to be transmitted beyond the confines of the gate without anyone having to look at the gate. The choice of the pirates to not inform anyone does not factor in to equation at all as the occupancy of the gate is already determined and the information about this determination is available before jumping. In contrast, the paradox of Schrodinger's Cat, the thing that makes it famous, is that while the fate of the kitty has already been determined, information about this cannot be transmitted outside the confines of the box without the box being inspected. Edit: So no, it isnt. Yeah but what if the isotope decay set off the hammer and instead of striking the flask of poison the stupid cat had its head in the way and it knocked it out I think we need to reproduce the whole expirement cause theres more variables and stuff to work out. edit- only we should use a microwave oven instead of a plain old box cause this is modern times. Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.
Misticrevalation Solar Investment Group Solar Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.07 12:32:00 - [32] I remember the Mara-Piekura gate from mid 2007. There were a lot of fireworks (Or that could have been the sparks and shrapnel of my ship exploding into many pieces ) ----------------------------------------- SIG Freight Service - Need something moved? We'll do it.
ElJo123 Sons Of 0din Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2010.12.07 23:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Spruillo Yeah but what if the isotope decay set off the hammer and instead of striking the flask of poison the stupid cat had its head in the way and it knocked it out I think we need to reproduce the whole expirement cause theres more variables and stuff to work out. edit- only we should use a microwave oven instead of a plain old box cause this is modern times. That is all well and good, but if Schroedinger's cat jumps into Marra with possibly someone not there does it make a sound?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.08 07:29:00 - [34] Originally by: ElJo123 Originally by: Spruillo Yeah but what if the isotope decay set off the hammer and instead of striking the flask of poison the stupid cat had its head in the way and it knocked it out I think we need to reproduce the whole expirement cause theres more variables and stuff to work out. edit- only we should use a microwave oven instead of a plain old box cause this is modern times. That is all well and good, but if Schroedinger's cat jumps into Marra with possibly someone not there does it make a sound? Eve has sound? Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: FOl2TY8 I know that some people like to have voluntary periods of abstinence. Yeah, I use that excuse too.
Zeta Zhul Caldari Preemptive Paranoia	Posted - 2010.12.08 12:39:00 - [35] You know for an off-hand joke this is taking on a life of it's own.
Ronald Raygunn	Posted - 2010.12.09 05:58:00 - [36] Python is running in Mara? Huh, last time I saw, they were pooping in a minmatar kitty litter box. Meh. shrugs
Elthalas	Posted - 2010.12.09 17:47:00 - [37] After getting popped and podded a few times going from Piek>Mara I have found that it is usually safer to go from Usi > Ishomilken. Tje gate is hardly ever camped. I've been able to bring my tower and pos mods into manjo easily that way.
Sverige Pahis Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2010.12.09 19:37:00 - [38] Originally by: Elthalas After getting popped and podded a few times going from Piek>Mara I have found that it is usually safer to go from Usi > Ishomilken. Tje gate is hardly ever camped. I've been able to bring my tower and pos mods into manjo easily that way. Podded in low sec? what the **** is wrong with you? Why would we listen to someone who gets podded in low sec you obviously are clueless.
Rivendark MacTavish Family Mining and Industry Co. Aerodyne Collective	Posted - 2010.12.09 20:06:00 - [39] Originally by: Elthalas After getting popped and podded a few times going from Piek>Mara I have found that it is usually safer to go from Usi > Ishomilken. Tje gate is hardly ever camped. I've been able to bring my tower and pos mods into manjo easily that way. and by posting your new shipping route you are asking very loudly to have that gate camped too
Barakkus	Posted - 2010.12.09 22:26:00 - [40] Edited by: Barakkus on 09/12/2010 22:28:36 nm...got my routes mixed up... /sniff I smell trollz.

Lars Lodar The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.10 03:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Ronald Raygunn Python is running in Mara? Huh, last time I saw, they were pooping in a minmatar kitty litter box. Meh. shrugs We are everywhere and nowhere. Come over to Ishomilkin if you wanna say hi.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.12.10 04:52:00 - [42] Originally by: Lars Lodar Originally by: Ronald Raygunn Python is running in Mara? Huh, last time I saw, they were pooping in a minmatar kitty litter box. Meh. shrugs We are everywhere and nowhere. Come over to Ishomilkin if you wanna say hi. Why you tell him where we hang out? Now he's going to come over there and scare the girls off GH is bad enough Touches self
Cloora APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2010.12.11 01:44:00 - [43] Join APEXOOC channel. We are the local anti-pies in the area. We will give intel for free and also escort you for a small fee. Check our kills on Battleclinic to verify we are who I say we are. We haven't been as active recently but the pirates in that system haven't been as active either. Fly safe! ------------------------------------------ CEO and Major Shareholder of the APEX Conglomerate Producer of Starsi brand softdrinks and Torped-Os! brand cereal as well as many other fine products


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