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Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2010.12.05 21:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Julianus Soter on 05/12/2010 22:06:05 [FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE] Effective immediately, the Synenose Accord has reset all standings and active relations with CONCORD entities and personnel. An embargo of all information sharing regarding the Sansha attacks, w-space, and the Sleeper and Talocan civilizations is now in effect for CONCORD and other affiliated organizations. It is the judgment of the executive board of the Synenose Accord that CONCORD has been hopelessly compromised by Sansha intelligence actions, infiltration, and may be to some extent under Sansha influence. In view of this, the Synenose Accord found it necessary to terminate CONCORD's privileged access to SYNE databases, personnel, and leadership. The Synenose Accord and our partners will continue to fight the Sansha in every system, at every planet, and on every moon. However, we will do so without profiting CONCORD or giving them information. [END] [ADDENDUM] The Synenose Accord hereby ends formal cooperation with Operation Snowblind, and all CONCORD officers of that taskforce. Harah Joele, Haeldone Dorgiers, and Vieve Creston will be notified of this via standard channels. [END]
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies Covenant of Prophecy	Posted - 2010.12.05 21:52:00 - [2] Good. Utterly useless the lot of them, always needing protection for the lone frigate (!) they send to defend entire worlds under attack. ---------------- Co-Executor, Minister of Communications Covenant of Prophecy
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.12.05 21:54:00 - [3] Edited by: Borza Slavak on 05/12/2010 21:55:15 CONCORD maintain the status quo. They maintain slavery. We saw from the Elders' example years ago one way to deal with such corruption. Let them burn in the fires they allow the Nation to light under them. We shall be ready.
Boma Airaken White Song Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2010.12.05 21:57:00 - [4] Celestial Imperative alliance agrees wholeheartedly with the administration of SYNE and has made adjustments to its ROE to coincide with the pilots of SYNE. I salute Mr. Soter in taking this bold but neeeded step.
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:10:00 - [5] So, we, the hated capsuleers (bar exceptions) are taking it upon ourselves, like the egomaniacs we are, to counter this "threat to humanity"? Interesting. ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores Eleutherian Guard [FDU]
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:11:00 - [6] Welcome news. The Star Fraction has long regarded CONCORD as an impediment to effective capsuleer action against many threats. They certainly have been consistently holding to that pattern when it comes to the Sansha's Nation incursions. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Koronakesh Amarr Ba.theen Aljannatal Asaakitah Celestial Imperative	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:14:00 - [7] No one else is, Seriphyn. I shall also affirm my agreement with Mr. Airaken's sentiment here.
Tablaren Knights of Kador Black Inquisition	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:15:00 - [8] Good man Mr Soter. A number of my pilots were flying with you in the defence of antem and spoke highly of your efforts to defend the innocent citizens homes. Concord have been, and are a plague upon mankind. It is good to see you taking action and keeping information away from the enemies of humanity. Knights of Kador Public channel: K-Kdr Public
Seriphyn Inhonores Gallente Eleutherian Guard	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Koronakesh No one else is, Seriphyn. I shall also affirm my agreement with Mr. Airaken's sentiment here. Maybe because this threat is smaller than we make it out to be? ------------ Luminaire General Seriphyn Inhonores Eleutherian Guard [FDU]
Myxx Risen Angels	Posted - 2010.12.05 22:49:00 - [10] You finally see the light, Soter... Good on you. -- Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Wynteryth Fett	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:34:00 - [11] Mr. Soter is the reason for the failure today. His ignoring of valuable intelligence allowed the Sansha ground units to easily assemble the uplinks in Anyed and Imya with relatively no resistance. The ground forces in Antem were defeated on Antem V thanks to the diligence of other Capsuleers who didn't ignore information. Mr. Soter needs to accept responsibility for his actions instead of putting the blame on others as he was doing in the public chat.
Alveolus Core Synthesis Unlimited	Posted - 2010.12.05 23:34:00 - [12] A welcome announcement.
Dilaro thagriin	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:01:00 - [13] Edited by: Dilaro thagriin on 06/12/2010 00:01:42 I have responded to your bile spewing in another thread Wynteryth. with TACNET down due to nation interference, what would you have had commander Soter do? drop neon signs into orbit? most ground troops do not have neocom access. all command data is supplied to ground troops directly through the TACNET HUD within their helm. No TACNET = no new orders.... how would you have told people who could not see or hear you to change their standing orders? Like all the commanders i have seen fly against nation, J Soter does an exemplary job, yet still you expect more from him. You would expect him to co-ordinate fleets across 3 systems without the aid of the fleet command tools that TACNET provided? no-one, nop HUMAN at least, could have done that... perhaps a nation slave could, but no human, or capsuleer, could have successfully performed this task. ((at least not without the aid of OOC knowledge, and OOG software. think about it..))
Unit XS365BT	Posted - 2010.12.06 02:05:00 - [14] ú$^&@?; DATASTREAM CORRUPTED "Commander Dorgiers, contact me please, this is Captain Jan Ko"* DATASTREAM RESTORED Disregard previous transmission. Signal corruption detected. Apologies for any inconvenience. We Return.
Cmdr Baxter The Synenose Accord	Posted - 2010.12.06 05:35:00 - [15] Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 06/12/2010 05:35:34 The parties involved in this spat, over who's at fault for our failure today, need to accept that the defending forces failed and move on. Pointing fingers and trying to throw around blame is going to get us nowhere. That being said, I'd be interested in whatever intel can be forwarded to me on these planetside uplinks. LTJG Samuel Baxter (ret.) Communication and Coordination Officer Synenose Accord -------------------- Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid. - David 'Hack' Hackworth (1930-2005)
Anslo First Flying Wing Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2010.12.06 05:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Cmdr Baxter All parties involved need to accept that the defending forces failed, and move on. Pointing fingers and trying to throw around blame is going to get us nowhere. That being said, I'd be interested in whatever intel can be forwarded to me on these planetside uplinks. LTJG Samuel Baxter (ret.) Communication and Coordination Officer Synenose Accord I will message you Commander.
Ber Kan Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.06 08:43:00 - [17] You. Are cutting your own tail off. And allowing yourself to bleed thin. Your mistake is noted by us, and we will see what happens next. Enjoy your lack of ground troops...all 2.5 million....
Wedgetail	Posted - 2010.12.06 08:57:00 - [18] Edited by: Wedgetail on 06/12/2010 09:01:59 Personally, I see this as a gross over reaction CONCORD's responses on the feild may not be 'up to our standard or expectation' but nor have they hindered us or in any other discernable way or hampered our operation against nation forces. CONCORD does what it was formed to do and always has, something I beleive no other organisation could have achieved given the amount of power an organisation in their role weilds, what we need now isn't an unfounded severing of ties but a strengthening of those we have left as our fight against nation has just become that much harder.
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.06 09:37:00 - [19] I agree with Wedgetail. Now is a time to learn from our mistakes and find out where the comms (TACNET) breakdown occured. Intel always has a chance of being "off" a little. With the failure of TACNET, commanders did not have the tools to adjust to the changing intel and fluid conditions of the battlefield quick enough. Alienating CONCORD is probably not the best way to fix the problem. Saying all that I can understand Soter's frustrations... I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit... Only way to be sure!
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2010.12.06 10:00:00 - [20] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 06/12/2010 10:00:27 Where have I seen this one before - the people calling for unification being the first ones to cut ties to those who do not do it their way? I swear, I have fallen into a wormhole and come out sometime around year 108. Else -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.12.06 14:26:00 - [21] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 06/12/2010 14:30:25 Breaking away from (perhaps) the only "official" organization that sanctions the actions taken against Nation is a move that I might regard as...unwise, at the least. However, it is no suprise that this has come to pass. We will continue to stand with SYNE in battle. Commander Tac-Ops
Raze Valadeus Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2010.12.06 14:29:00 - [22] Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 06/12/2010 14:29:10 ((Deleted because the previous post was corrected, sorry.)) --------------- ~Raze Valadeus
Sinjin Mokk Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition	Posted - 2010.12.06 18:40:00 - [23] Strange how you choose to withdraw about the same time as the Federation Navy sends us an official announcement. Is this where I get to say, "I told you so?" Serving the Dark Amarr
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui	Posted - 2010.12.06 18:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Borza Slavak CONCORD maintain the status quo. They maintain slavery. yes they do. Because it is not for them to dictate what the status quo should be. If you're angry about slavery be angry at the slavers, not at the people who stop them from taking more Minmatar. - - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2010.12.06 20:45:00 - [25] Omune Balenne, a Federation Navy officer of unknown rank or standing, transmits an after-action report based on Federal Intelligence Office information remotely gathered regarding a Sansha incursion in the Genesis Region, Amarr Empire. A report which contains no useful information, whatsoever, and only reinforces doubts about CONCORD's competency. The Synenose Accord and Moira. Corporation cannot operate upon faith regarding operational security. CONCORD is compromised, and sharing any information whatsoever with CONCORD officers will only empower the enemy, by informing them of our efforts to destroy Kuvakei and his forces.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.12.06 20:53:00 - [26] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Borza Slavak CONCORD maintain the status quo. They maintain slavery. yes they do. Because it is not for them to dictate what the status quo should be. ... my point exactly
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui	Posted - 2010.12.06 21:37:00 - [27] Edited by: Stitcher on 06/12/2010 21:38:31 which is why they haven't. The status quo they protect is decided by the four empires. CONCORD are just the... the vault door if you like. Nobody blames the vault if somebody stores something illegal inside it. The Elder attack on Yulai was the only way they could complete their objective. They blew the vault door open to raid the vault's contents. What you're doing is calling the door evil for what lies behind it. Which doesn't make sense. - - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Borza Slavak Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.12.06 21:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 06/12/2010 21:38:31 which is why they haven't. The status quo they protect is decided by the four empires. CONCORD are just the... the vault door if you like. Nobody blames the vault if somebody stores something illegal inside it. The Elder attack on Yulai was the only way they could complete their objective. They blew the vault door open to raid the vault's contents. What you're doing is calling the door evil for what lies behind it. Which doesn't make sense. I called nothing evil. Using your analogy I simply wish that the vault door be permanently blasted off.
Wynteryth Fett	Posted - 2010.12.06 22:16:00 - [29] Originally by: Dilaro thagriin Edited by: Dilaro thagriin on 06/12/2010 00:01:42 I have responded to your bile spewing in another thread Wynteryth. with TACNET down due to nation interference, what would you have had commander Soter do? Tacnet wasn't down.. It was working just fine.. How do you think the people on Antem V were able to defeat the Sansha there? Originally by: Dilaro thagriin drop neon signs into orbit? most ground troops do not have neocom access. all command data is supplied to ground troops directly through the TACNET HUD within their helm. No TACNET = no new orders.... TACNET was working just fine.. How else was the FCORD fleet getting scouting reports, regularly, from their scouts in both Anyed and Antem? Originally by: Dilaro thagriin how would you have told people who could not see or hear you to change their standing orders? Like all the commanders i have seen fly against nation, J Soter does an exemplary job, yet still you expect more from him. You would expect him to co-ordinate fleets across 3 systems without the aid of the fleet command tools that TACNET provided? no-one, nop HUMAN at least, could have done that... perhaps a nation slave could, but no human, or capsuleer, could have successfully performed this task. ((at least not without the aid of OOC knowledge, and OOG software. think about it..)) TACNET wasn't down. You're claims are baseless. Defending against the Sansha isn't just about what you do during the attack. It's also what you do PRIOR to the attack. And, quite honestly, the fact that valuable tactical information was ignored by Soter is proof that he failed. Any good leader would have owned up to that instead of making up lame accusations of Concord infiltration when he's got nothing to support his claims. He has NO PROOF whatsoever that CONCORD and Agent Muar are compromised, yet that's his excuse for the failures.. BTW, before you claim someone is "bile spewing" you might want to have your facts in order so you don't sound foolish.
Aphoxema G Operation Inertia	Posted - 2010.12.06 23:17:00 - [30] Should Sansha's efforts truly be something worth concern, and I am still entirely unconvinced the threat to the inhabitants of empire space is greater than that of the empires theirselves. themselves. the. wait a minute. Stop recording. Erase that. Select all. Oh this damned thing. New line. New paragraph? I don't have time for this right now! Anyways, what was I saying. Oh, yeah. If this all proves to be a real threat it is best to keep forces divided lest we all go the wrong direction together. That was terrible. Cancel. Delete draft. Delete. Yes. No. No, don't submit. Yes. No, wait! ------------------------------- The fox chases for her meal, but the rabbit runs for her life.
Anslo First Flying Wing Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2010.12.07 07:01:00 - [31] Originally by: Wynteryth Fett Originally by: Dilaro thagriin Edited by: Dilaro thagriin on 06/12/2010 00:01:42 I have responded to your bile spewing in another thread Wynteryth. with TACNET down due to nation interference, what would you have had commander Soter do? Tacnet wasn't down.. It was working just fine.. How do you think the people on Antem V were able to defeat the Sansha there? Originally by: Dilaro thagriin drop neon signs into orbit? most ground troops do not have neocom access. all command data is supplied to ground troops directly through the TACNET HUD within their helm. No TACNET = no new orders.... TACNET was working just fine.. How else was the FCORD fleet getting scouting reports, regularly, from their scouts in both Anyed and Antem? Originally by: Dilaro thagriin how would you have told people who could not see or hear you to change their standing orders? Like all the commanders i have seen fly against nation, J Soter does an exemplary job, yet still you expect more from him. You would expect him to co-ordinate fleets across 3 systems without the aid of the fleet command tools that TACNET provided? no-one, nop HUMAN at least, could have done that... perhaps a nation slave could, but no human, or capsuleer, could have successfully performed this task. ((at least not without the aid of OOC knowledge, and OOG software. think about it..)) TACNET wasn't down. You're claims are baseless. Defending against the Sansha isn't just about what you do during the attack. It's also what you do PRIOR to the attack. And, quite honestly, the fact that valuable tactical information was ignored by Soter is proof that he failed. Any good leader would have owned up to that instead of making up lame accusations of Concord infiltration when he's got nothing to support his claims. He has NO PROOF whatsoever that CONCORD and Agent Muar are compromised, yet that's his excuse for the failures.. BTW, before you claim someone is "bile spewing" you might want to have your facts in order so you don't sound foolish. A truly great leader, is he not?
Crazey Monkey	Posted - 2010.12.07 07:21:00 - [32] I hate to say it, because SYNE has done some good things in its pass, but its time has come. The thing it is now is just a shell of what it used to be and nothing is going to change anytime soon. Its failure at the highest and lowest level are not caused by the pilots but the lack of organization in whole. This combined with the fact that it is plagued by so many people on the inside who aren't there to fight the sansha, but just to put ISK in their pockets. If you don't believe me, sit on the public channel for just a few minutes.
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2010.12.07 11:32:00 - [33] Edited by: Julianus Soter on 07/12/2010 11:33:18 SYNEPublic remains open and available to anyone to use. However, it is a public channel. We continue to upload essential information through that channel on a case-by-case basis, and provide basic coordination during crisis situations, but off-hours conversation is largely unrestricted. SYNE operates secure channels for leadership and high-level intelligence analysis. These are restricted to only trusted corporations and individuals. Nice of you to drop by, Anslo. How's Sansha's Nation treating you? And if there are any questions regarding fleet organization during the Genesis engagements, please contact Grideris and FCORD. Moira was operating an independent fleet at the time and had no direct command over any non-Moira pilots.
Wedgetail	Posted - 2010.12.07 15:02:00 - [34] Originally by: Crazey Monkey I hate to say it, because SYNE has done some good things in its pass, but its time has come. The thing it is now is just a shell of what it used to be and nothing is going to change anytime soon. Its failure at the highest and lowest level are not caused by the pilots but the lack of organization in whole. This combined with the fact that it is plagued by so many people on the inside who aren't there to fight the sansha, but just to put ISK in their pockets. If you don't believe me, sit on the public channel for just a few minutes. I believe what is being referred to here is our current and apparent reliance on a single source of Intel - which is believed to contain significant portions of deliberately misleading information - with no particular intel ops or investigations of 'our' own for months now. I agree with what monkey's saying to a degree - We've lost track of the situation, stopped searching for answers and instead are waiting to have them 'fed' to us and most of us - myself included - have at times been all to happy just to lap it up and take every detail we're given as concrete fact. If this is what the operation is reduced to - taking what is essentially little more than nation's word for it - then we may as well turn around and start uplifting civilians for them, we need to lift our game and get ourselves into gear not start playing blame games, not trying to throw discredit on people, not sever ties with concord but try to repair whatever damage to or breach in security nation's caused because at this stage we need all the help we can get.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.12.07 16:25:00 - [35] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 07/12/2010 16:30:58 Originally by: Julianus Soter Edited by: Julianus Soter on 07/12/2010 11:33:18 SYNEPublic remains open and available to anyone to use... but off-hours conversation is largely unrestricted. Unless YOU decide that what is being said there isn't of importance...thanks Mr. Soter, you managed to drive away the two individuals that gathered the data on that Op. Now there is no way to know if the lead about the Sansha weaponized Kyonoke Pit Virus was real or a wild goose chase. Even knowing it was a red herring would have been of some value you know. Because of you that intel-gathering mission was totally blown. Great team spirtit Soter...keep it up and we might as well "uplift" our people ourselves and save Nation the effort. Commander Tac-Ops
Aggey	Posted - 2010.12.07 16:59:00 - [36] Edited by: Aggey on 07/12/2010 16:59:34 Originally by: Julianus Soter Edited by: Julianus Soter on 07/12/2010 11:33:18 And if there are any questions regarding fleet organization during the Genesis engagements, please contact Grideris and FCORD. Moira was operating an independent fleet at the time and had no direct command over any non-Moira pilots. So instead of leading your pilots YOU assembled over the past few months and whom look to you for guidance and any SCRAP of information you might FEEL like handing them down from on high for this battle, you'd rather hand them off to someone to deal with your corporation? What happened to this "service" you offer the people of New Eden in leading them against Nation? You may not be incompetent, in fact you are indeed a wise Fleet Commander. However, as a leader, I believe your time is done. I am unsure of the others, but I shall no longer fly under the banner of an egotistical tyrant.
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2010.12.07 19:11:00 - [37] Edited by: Julianus Soter on 07/12/2010 19:11:47 chuckles Well, the funny thing is, we had an active wardec at the time. Unless you wanted there to be collateral damage from being flagged an active participant of that wardec vis-a-vis remote assistance or other actions, it would've been foolish to be in fleet with Moira at the time. At no point have I assumed command of any inter-corporation organization nor claimed authority over any pilots besides those under my direct command within Moira. Perhaps you should check your facts.
Ber Kan Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.07 19:34:00 - [38] Edited by: Ber Kan on 07/12/2010 19:43:03 Originally by: Julianus Soter Edited by: Julianus Soter on 07/12/2010 11:33:18 SYNEPublic remains open and available to anyone to use. However, it is a public channel. We continue to upload essential information through that channel on a case-by-case basis, and provide basic coordination during crisis situations, but off-hours conversation is largely unrestricted. SYNE operates secure channels for leadership and high-level intelligence analysis. These are restricted to only trusted corporations and individuals. Anything and everything can and could be intelligence towards an upcoming battle, or ending a war. And your blatant actions towards not taking this into account, let alone your failure to assure other measures taken has lead syne down, and even lowered morale. Others, not their pristine commanders save for a few, which I shall not name, have been doing YOUR work. I have even done your work. You disregard anything that does not deal with Sansha, in space until it is to late. You disregard anything that could hinder our operations, such as the Kyonoke Virus. And now a new strain has been found. You disregard, the amount of spies, and pirates that are within your channels, and even more, you disregard warnings until YOU yourself make the claim. Either your ego is just that great, or your just not enough of a commander, that you should, wisely, step down from command after all these years, and pick another to take your place. Even in the Caldari military, we know when our work is done and we accept the next one in command. Alaric...
Rodtrik	Posted - 2010.12.07 19:39:00 - [39] Originally by: Julianus Soter Edited by: Julianus Soter on 07/12/2010 19:11:47 chuckles Well, the funny thing is, we had an active wardec at the time. Unless you wanted there to be collateral damage from being flagged an active participant of that wardec vis-a-vis remote assistance or other actions, it would've been foolish to be in fleet with Moira at the time. At no point have I assumed command of any inter-corporation organization nor claimed authority over any pilots besides those under my direct command within Moira. Perhaps you should check your facts. No you don't make the claim, but your very actions speak VOLUMES. You act as if you are the leader, you talk down to others as if you are their superior, you claim command in the channel as soon as someone decides to criticize you by silencing them. If it looks like a fedo, acts like a fedo and smells like a fedo, it IS a fedo. Your claims other wise just make you look worse. Your arguments fail. Also, your excuse for not wanting others to deal in a war dec is, at best, a poor attempt to cover your ass. What corporation at war WOULDN'T want a fleet of 200 vessels at their command to defend against war targets whilst fighting this war against Nation? You're a fool Soter.
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2010.12.08 03:21:00 - [40] A number of our pilots, and people within the Synenose coalition have been fighting the Sansha non-stop for six or so months. New pilots join the cause on a daily basis, and we do our best to accommodate them. It is difficult, however, to continually answer the same questions again, and again. To deal with statements such as "are the Sansha attacking?" or "what is the latest intel?". The only thing I can do in these cases is say no, and none, most of the time. When pushed for additional explanation, I often have to say I can't help them and if they have additional questions, to evemail me or one of the other moderators, of which there are about ten, three or five of which are active throughout the day. That's my 'job', Rodtrik, if there is one. Answer questions. I try to answer as many as possible. Some pilots seem to get aggravated when I don't answer their extremely specific and bizarre question. Well, that's just a shame, I suppose. My only desire is for the pilots seeking information regarding the fight against the Sansha are properly armed with the knowledge to do so. That was my purpose in building the ground work of the history of the war. . . and continuing to actively participate in SYNEPublic whenever possible. If certain individuals take issue with me, personally, because I ignored their personal cause or crusade, then they should form their own specialized channels for independent investigations. That's how things are done in New Eden: you gather pilots of similar interests to conduct operations. You gather intelligence, analyze the information, and publish the results of your analysis. When the results are published, I would be more than happy to analyze their hypothesis and supporting information. Until then, I cannot personally hunt down every lead, every scrap of information, and every idea that pops into the heads of literally four hundred different people. And now, there are much more important things to attend to, such as saving our species from extinction or assimilation. Let's get back to work.
Crazey Monkey	Posted - 2010.12.08 07:08:00 - [41] YI believe my first post to be to vague and to rash so I'm going my thoughts. First, I'm not here to insult Soter nor anyone else. Now let me point out a few things about the lack of organization of us capsuleers. SYNEpublic points us in the right direction when an invasion is happening, which is good. However once we get there forming fleets becomes an issue, FCOR does offer fleets but some are left out. Also from my experience and from what I've heard about the recant attacks around Antem, is that there was little to no communication between the operating fleets. Its almost as if SYNE points us there and says good luck. This is a problem in my eyes, maybe the people at the top see it differently and I missing things, but I think we can all agree that some things have to change. These changes will have to include a command structure above the separate fleet levels and squads at each invasion site relaying information to this command structure. They can move the fleets where they are required most. This of course will require a massive amount of corporation from multiple people and organizations. Finally this was a very simplified version of what it wil be. Now maybe you think I'm completely insane, but hopefully this will bring some of the problems I see to light and what can be done to solve it.
Super General Gallente Fleet Coordination Commission	Posted - 2010.12.08 13:08:00 - [42] Now, let me say something and make it clear this is from me personally and shouldnÆt be taken as the general consensus of the Accord or FCORD. SYNEpublic does indeed point out the general direction of whatÆs happening and where. When information becomes available to us and we believe it is good and solid enough for us to act on, (as in the past month), the information is shared out. As with the recent incursion, everyone on FCORDÆs contact list was informed of the new information and what FCORDÆs intentions were in terms of acting on that information. On the scheduled time of the fleet formation and operation, all of those that had followed the instructions of contacting FCORD (As stated every time upon joining SYNEpublic) to adjust the corporationÆs standing were able to join the fleet up without any problem. The only time the problem occurs is if the corporation (or pilot) hasnÆt contacted FCORD to make a prior arrangement. Additionally this also has a habit of happening when itÆs a spur of the moment fleet creation. Pilots arrive on site and once again will only be able to join the FCORD fleet if the correct standings are in effect; otherwise it once again, becomes very difficult to manage the fleet. With that in mind, the local population of the assembly system on the last incursion was normally around the 10-15 pilots mark (24 hours before the assembly time). At the meeting time, the FCORD fleet had approximately 200 pilots within it and was the limit of what could be managed at the time. Grideris announced this in local chat and suggested that pilots may wish to form their own fleets. By the time that the FCORD fleet had reached Antem, the local count was well over the 500 pilots mark. The Accords intentions were not publicised as quite simply, there was no need to, as Julianus said we had our own internal arrangements and did not want to get others involved if there was simply no need to. We have 2 active wars and prior scouting of the Antem system yielded that one of the corporations we was at war with had a weaponised and online station within system. If Moira and the FCORD fleet had combined and all moved to attack that Wyvren on Sunday, the station would have had free reign on attacking whoever it wished (Which had already claimed a pilots ship as it was). All of that being said, I know FCORD are looking at the best way of looking at managing fleets of such significant sizes in a way that you have described. The problem is, because it is so many capsuleers, from so many corporations, of relatively infinite size and ability, itÆs very difficult to come to some arrangement. FCORD will always be looking for willing Fleet Marshals and hopefully we can get enough in place willing to take orders and follow them into battle confidently.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.12.08 15:24:00 - [43] Originally by: Julianus Soter If certain individuals take issue with me, personally, because I ignored their personal cause or crusade, then they should form their own specialized channels for independent investigations. That's how things are done in New Eden: you gather pilots of similar interests to conduct operations. You gather intelligence, analyze the information, and publish the results of your analysis. When the results are published, I would be more than happy to analyze their hypothesis and supporting information. Until then, I cannot personally hunt down every lead, every scrap of information, and every idea that pops into the heads of literally four hundred different people. *You pompous rothe's* hind quarter...you egotistical mouth-breather without honor. NO ONE** asked you to "personally hunt down every lead, every scrap of information, and every idea". "We" were doing that and were in the middle of exchanging ideas with others during a "non-critical"(to use your own words) time on the channel and YOU arbitrarily popped in channel and without even knowing what was going on played mod-god shutting the communications down. Get over yourself Soter, before you drive more of the pilots away from your rallying call...your not that important, regardless of the headlines you grab. You need to wake up from your self-gratifying delusion and realize (and do it soon) that NO-ONE joins the fleets for you or to bask in the glory of your personage...we join to fight Nation, for humanity, for freedom. Disclaimer:(my opinions are my own and do not reflect that of 21EL.) Commander Tac-Ops
Julianus Soter Gallente Moira.	Posted - 2010.12.08 15:34:00 - [44] laughs As I recall, I was being criticized by you in the channel at the time for not giving the hypotheses you and your friend were investigating my full, undivided attention, captain. And if you're so easily ruffled by a bit of channel communications control, fates forbid you actually work in the military or a paramilitary.
Syn Callibri Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse	Posted - 2010.12.08 16:09:00 - [45] Edited by: Syn Callibri on 08/12/2010 16:11:47 Originally by: Julianus Soter laughs As I recall, I was being criticized by you in the channel at the time for not giving the hypotheses you and your friend were investigating my full, undivided attention, captain. And if you're so easily ruffled by a bit of channel communications control, fates forbid you actually work in the military or a paramilitary. raises an eyebrow in irritation, her voice drops to a chilling calm Soter...it has nothing to do with you "not giving the hypotheses you and your friend were investigating my full, undivided attention". It was the fact that you totally dismissed what was going on as unimportant without even knowing what was going on. It takes far more than "a bit of channel communications control" to ruffle my feathers you overbearing boor. It's your total disregard for anyone taking the initiative in a way that doesn't agree with your perception of benefitial operations or might steal the spot-light from you for an instant that you were being criticized for in-channel. On a side note, speak of what you know, dont hurl insults based on what you decide is fact in your own mind...you will live longer that way. Commander Tac-Ops
Carcosa Hali Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.12.08 16:39:00 - [46] I for one, welcome this news and think it is an excellent step in the right direction. ------------------------------- This Bitter Earth.. What fruit it bears..
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui	Posted - 2010.12.08 17:12:00 - [47] Edited by: Stitcher on 08/12/2010 17:13:28 It occurs to me that if Sansha's strategy relies on that old couplet "Divide and Conquer"... Well, he seems to be succeeding admirably on the "divide" part. Not that this was probably difficult for him at all. You'd have to squint hard in the right light to see much unity among capsuleers anyway, especially where inflated egos like that of one Julianus Soter are involved. - - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Ber Kan Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.08 17:35:00 - [48] Sansha Has no part in dividing our forces. Julianus Soter. You left me with no choice. My troops pull back further and further eachday. Antem V is left without defences, and It is your cause. Their current gate,t o pillage and raid a whole system, is all because of your actions. I have moved, all resources, and sources of troops, Tieing to the 113th Caldari Mechanized, and 189th Caldari Armoured Battalions. Even more, the movement of the 669th Caldari Speccial Operations Battalion, has officially been removed from operations from Curse, Stain, and other Faction Space. You inept ability to control your Egotistical backwashed ways, is slowly getting not just MY TROOPS killed, but as well as innocent lives. You sir, are a curse upon this war on sansha. And yet, I know, from what I've heard and what I have understand through your psychological, and sociological review, that you will not give a damn. For this, our new base of operations will be held within Gurista Systems. As well as known infected Caldari systems. Congratulations Soter, you got me to back down. Something NO man has ever done. And in doing so...gaps are open. Alaric... Ave Imperator...

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