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Superpossee
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Posted - 2010.12.14 12:29:00 -
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This is not just about RMT. RMT is mainly a ccp-problem.
The main problem is the thousands of players with bot-alts funding their gametime, shiny ships, supercaps without putting any effort in it.
Its called cheating and you dont want your opponent to be a cheater because you cannot win then.
Playing against an enemy with endless isk-income is pointless and ruins the fun of the game.
Look at all the SCs and titans being built and sold atm, fun?
Thats what its about. Some good ideas of how to give players the means to deal with botters themselves have been mentioned in this thread.
If ccp keeps ignoring the problem the quality of the game will go down rapidly
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Superpossee
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Posted - 2010.12.15 10:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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You can start by telling your alliance bosses not to buy PLEX and ISKs of Chinese websites.
RMT only works because some morons think they can buy everything. Stop buying it. Get your PLEX and ISK the way you want everyone else to get them - by playing the game - and stop thinking you have got nothing to do with it.
Teaching people not to cheat is a very long term objective.
This stance is totally simplicistic, it's the same as standing on a high horse and saying that people should stop committing crimes. O really?
No way, those committing crimes don't give a **BEEP** about you preaching them to be good boys. In RL we get police to convince them, what do we get in EvE?
In EvE what I have met is an endless stream of clueless GM that closely remind those overseas call centers. The players have to explain them the 101 of what happens and escalate the issue to GMs with a clue as soon as the problem requires an above chimpanze level knowledge.
How can anyone expect they'll even bother or know how to properly alert the higher tiers of actual employees up the CCP food chain?
The blog is a testament to this. It seems written by an alien.
WE ARE FUC*ED EVERY DAY BY BOTS in a game that unlike the others:
- is competitive
- relies on an healthy economy
- has no parachute mechanisms for RMT
- is CHOKING FULL of easily botted activities
- has dire consequences in case of loss.
I lose a SC that took me 3 RL years to grind? I am BONED (the corp will help but the hurt IS here).
A botter or - worse - a RMTer loses a SC? Yawn he'll have to log in one of his 20 other ones.
How does this look in the flaunted competitive, pure PvP MMO?
This SO MUCH
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Superpossee
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Posted - 2010.12.20 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: Superpossee on 20/12/2010 11:40:59
CCP doesnt care about botters because they fund their cheating-accounts with plexes bought by real players?
I hope this is not true.
The amount of plexes might go down if botting was impossible because the prices would be lower due to less buyers but considering that the plex-system was intended to prevent RMT this is exactly the effect it should have.
Plus if you say CCP has to think about profit, what does CCP want? A sound game with a healthy market and ressource-system that attracts people from MMOs that dont have any balance -> constantly new players and new subscriptions OR a small community of bitter vets with a high amount of bot-accounts feeding the game's imbalance?
You can only buy plexes as long as there are real players putting them into the game. If those players stop playing the plex-argument will be nonsense.
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Superpossee
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Posted - 2010.12.22 11:14:00 -
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Posting to prevent the thread from being ignored. New potential players reading this should know that eve has a cheating-problem
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Superpossee
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Posted - 2010.12.23 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: leich
I have no Problems with botting.
I think it's good for the game not bad.
RMT is another issue and should be dealt with harshly.
RMT and botting or not mutually exclusive so can we please separate them.
I have no problems with RMT.
I think its only bad for ccp, not the players.
Botting is another issue and should be dealt with harshly.
RMT and botting or not mutually exclusive so can we please separate them.
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Superpossee
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Posted - 2010.12.24 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Trajan Ultor
If CCP did something about macro-bots, especially the ones in 0.0, do you have any idea how many Russians would emo-rage-quit ? Entire alliances would collapse.
So?
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Superpossee
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Posted - 2010.12.27 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II
Originally by: Dienowthxbay
Yeah its skill, but in big fleet figts personal skill value diminishes and impact of fleetcomm skill rise...
And about botting and economics - we are not talking about replacing ordinary gang ships (thats pretty easy to get money for new 1-3 fleet bs in 0.0) - we are talking about x10***+ sums made in days, capital fleets, inflation and isk mass ingame.
I have a hard time believing this inflation talk.
If I buy a supercap for ISK I did gain from botting, then the most direct impact on the price level would be rising mineral prices (extra demand for minerals financed with freshly printed money).
But by the looks of it the mining bots are very well able to counteract the extra supply of ISK with an additional inflow of minerals.
Ratting bots -> tendency towards inflation (note that I say "tendency")
Mining/PI bots -> tendency towards deflation/disinflation
end result - fairly stable prices & happiness 
I agree with the ratting-bots vs. mining-bots stuff, but the rest is bull****.
It starts with you buying a supercap with cheater-isk in the first place, isk you should not have, isk you dont care about losing while your opponent who grinded months for his SC really puts something at risk if he uses it.
So the onle possible winner here is the cheating bastard, even if he has to lose 10 SCs before killing one.
You simply dont care for isk if it is generated constantly without putting efforts in it.
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Superpossee
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Posted - 2011.01.08 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Durnin Stormbrow
Originally by: SkinSin
Well I read the devblog and the gist of it was:
1) We know about RMT.
2) We continue to do something about it.
3) Buy plex.
It was a particularly unenlightening devblog and didn't add any more information than we already know. To be honest, GM Grimmi might as well have not bothered it was that pointless!
...Wtf more do you want? You want the specifics of what they're doing about it? That defeats the purpose of trying to combat a problem like this if they tell you how they're combating it...
I mean srsly, if CCP says they're continuing to do something about botting, then that's all the info I need...
Since nothing has improved in that matter and is becoming worse everyday.. no sir, SAYING they are doing "something" is not all the info people need to trust in the game's fairplay
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Superpossee
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Posted - 2011.01.26 13:10:00 -
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That is because all has been said. No point in repeating over and over again. All that matters is to keep the thread on top so people esp. newcomers who read this forum get informed about cheating in eve until CCP finally stops tolerating botting.
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