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Peter Raptor
X-Exclusion-X
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Posted - 2012.08.10 21:56:00 -
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Nice to see CCP, finally the Barges got some love, hisec miners (I ain't one btw) can enjoy their hobby once more and are coming back .
Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve.
PS. And I already know what the pesky sociopath suicide ganker response to this thread will be; THIS ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4 Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
630
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Posted - 2012.08.10 21:59:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve.
You should thank Goons for their actions showing how silly mining barges and ganking those was. They made a point and actually helped those changes more than everyone, if you can't actually see the picture then look at it deeply brb |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1205
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Posted - 2012.08.10 22:00:00 -
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Heck a good number of Goons were very much in favor of a barge buff.
I for one love em, though probably still won't mine when I can avoid it. |
Kult Altol
Republican Industries Epsilon Fleet
45
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Posted - 2012.08.10 22:42:00 -
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Uuuuuuh, the game is catering to the casual crowd, uuuuuuuuuh. Uuuuh. I do like the new barge changes. I skilled in mining for a while. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
374
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Posted - 2012.08.10 22:43:00 -
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mining needed a buff.
Its dull it SHOULD make good money with some safty attached.
We need mins, not lvl 4 runners. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Mallak Azaria
551
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Posted - 2012.08.10 22:43:00 -
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I really like the new Proc/Skiff. It makes for a great bait tackler in wardecs. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
136
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Posted - 2012.08.10 22:49:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Nice to see CCP, finally the Barges got some love, hisec miners (I ain't one btw) can enjoy their hobby once more and are coming back . Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve. PS. And I already know what the pesky sociopath suicide ganker response to this thread will be; THIS ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4
Wait?! Gaming is a hobby?
You mean hunched over your keyboard, staring at Overview nonstop, so you can escape the occasional sociopath gank isn't fun for you? What craziness is this? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
205
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Posted - 2012.08.10 22:53:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote: pesky sociopath suicide ganker response
They touched you, show us where |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
896
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Posted - 2012.08.10 23:05:00 -
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While I don't think the barge changes were optimal, I think that the end result is fine. I'm completely fine with a high-EHP barge variant, as long as there exists another variant that is much less safe, but has a much higher yield (the Hulk). If miners are forced to make a choice between high defense and high yield, then balance exists. Personally, I would have equalized the Mackinaw's and Hulk's EHPs, giving them the same capacity for a buffer of about 35,000 health, fully-fit. But that's not a big deal.
PS: "pesky sociopath suicide ganker" here. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Ninjas InTheNight
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.08.10 23:11:00 -
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Many don't seem to have realised it yet but the barge changes may well kill ice prices.
CCP turned ice mining into a near fully afk activity, all thanks to the 35k m3 ore hold of the mackinkaw. Ice prices may drop to their lowest ever, and the only people mining it will be doing so mainly afk with many alts, and for the average player it will be a worthless income.
How is that a buff for mining? It's a massive nerf. |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
632
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Posted - 2012.08.10 23:16:00 -
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Ninjas InTheNight wrote:Many don't seem to have realised it yet but the barge changes may well kill ice prices.
CCP turned ice mining into a near fully afk activity, all thanks to the 35k m3 ore hold of the mackinkaw. Ice prices may drop to their lowest ever, and the only people mining it will be doing so mainly afk with many alts, and for the average player it will be a worthless income.
How is that a buff for mining? It's a massive nerf.
It is not, can you provide verifiable numbers your statement is based on? Yes some prices might as well drop a little, but mining barges are not invulnerable, you can still gank them. Then if Ice is over mined whatever, you can always mine other interesting stuff. There are also other lucrative activities in Eve other than mining ice, give it a try. brb |
Bommel McMurdoc
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
18
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Posted - 2012.08.11 00:12:00 -
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Ninjas InTheNight wrote:Many don't seem to have realised it yet but the barge changes may well kill ice prices.
CCP turned ice mining into a near fully afk activity, all thanks to the 35k m3 ore hold of the mackinkaw. Ice prices may drop to their lowest ever, and the only people mining it will be doing so mainly afk with many alts, and for the average player it will be a worthless income.
How is that a buff for mining? It's a massive nerf. They've turned it into a big joke to be done semi afk with many alts.
well if it does go down, perhaps it'll be cheaper to have a POS yay! |
Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant
116
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Posted - 2012.08.11 00:14:00 -
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Given how long you can afk in a mackinaw, this is unsurprising. |
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
448
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Posted - 2012.08.11 01:03:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Nice to see CCP, finally the Barges got some love, hisec miners (I ain't one btw) can enjoy their hobby once more and are coming back . Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve. PS. And I already know what the pesky sociopath suicide ganker response to this thread will be; THIS ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4
What numbers are up?
0/10 on trollolometer for not including stats clearly supporting the claim. "This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro" |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2276
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Posted - 2012.08.11 01:23:00 -
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Not so fast. It's only been a few days since the big expansion. Wait a few weeks and see if you still think numbers have really changed.
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2012.08.11 01:43:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve. You should thank Goons for their actions showing how silly mining barges and ganking those was. They made a point and actually helped those changes more than everyone, if you can't actually see the picture then look at it deeply
You should thank rapists for the invention of the **** kit. It clearly has stopped all **** worldwide.
Your logic is awesome, I want to drink it.
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Peter Raptor
X-Exclusion-X
265
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Posted - 2012.08.11 05:49:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Nice to see CCP, finally the Barges got some love, hisec miners (I ain't one btw) can enjoy their hobby once more and are coming back . Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve. PS. And I already know what the pesky sociopath suicide ganker response to this thread will be; THIS ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4 Wait?! Gaming is a hobby? You mean hunched over your keyboard, staring at Overview nonstop, so you can escape the occasional sociopath gank isn't fun for you? What craziness is this?
Nothing like semi AFK mining, you can actually live real life and simultaneously play a video game now, Awesome Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
785
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Posted - 2012.08.11 06:25:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:mining needed a buff.
Its dull it SHOULD make good money with some safty attached.
We need mins, not lvl 4 runners. I wish I had these mineral prices when I first started. Back in my day, trit. was 4.5 and slowly went down. I think half/most the reason for the high prices is the Goons. Just saying the prices of minerals these days is a fairly good encouragement for people to mine instead of mission. Missions are a lot safer to do though. If I could tank my mining barge to the same amount as my mission battleship, I'd probably be mining all the time instead of running missions. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1023
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Posted - 2012.08.11 07:01:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:mining needed a buff.
Its dull it SHOULD make good money with some safty attached.
We need mins, not lvl 4 runners.
There was plenty of safety in mining, if you weren't an AFK Botting moron fitting no tank and max yield in a ship designed for group nullsec mining.
Unfortunately, CCP gave in to the AFK Botting Moron Menace. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1282
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Posted - 2012.08.11 07:11:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Nice to see CCP, finally the Barges got some love, hisec miners (I ain't one btw) can enjoy their hobby once more and are coming back . Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve. PS. And I already know what the pesky sociopath suicide ganker response to this thread will be; THIS ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4
Yes, we've had such a large sample size to go by. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1025
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Posted - 2012.08.11 07:11:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Sentamon wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Nice to see CCP, finally the Barges got some love, hisec miners (I ain't one btw) can enjoy their hobby once more and are coming back . Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve. PS. And I already know what the pesky sociopath suicide ganker response to this thread will be; THIS ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4 Wait?! Gaming is a hobby? You mean hunched over your keyboard, staring at Overview nonstop, so you can escape the occasional sociopath gank isn't fun for you? What craziness is this? Nothing like semi AFK mining, you can actually live real life and simultaneously play a video game now, Awesome
Per CCP Sreegs, AFK Mining is an exploit and not an intended use of the game mechanics, as is any form of mass wealth generation done while AFK.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1
(He apparently clarifies this in the thread:
CCP Sreegs wrote:Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong )
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Ensign X
51
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Posted - 2012.08.11 07:35:00 -
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Xython wrote:Per CCP Sreegs, AFK Mining is an exploit and not an intended use of the game mechanics, as is any form of mass wealth generation done while AFK. http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1(He apparently clarifies this in the thread: CCP Sreegs wrote:Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong )
Translation: I'm mis-quoting an announcement about AFK Complex farming to support my whining about mining even though the announcement has nothing to do with and does not in any way reference mining. I have no idea what I'm talking about and have a 3rd grade comprehension of the english language. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
41
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Posted - 2012.08.11 07:43:00 -
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Xython wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Sentamon wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Nice to see CCP, finally the Barges got some love, hisec miners (I ain't one btw) can enjoy their hobby once more and are coming back . Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve. PS. And I already know what the pesky sociopath suicide ganker response to this thread will be; THIS ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4 Wait?! Gaming is a hobby? You mean hunched over your keyboard, staring at Overview nonstop, so you can escape the occasional sociopath gank isn't fun for you? What craziness is this? Nothing like semi AFK mining, you can actually live real life and simultaneously play a video game now, Awesome Per CCP Sreegs, AFK Mining is an exploit and not an intended use of the game mechanics, as is any form of mass wealth generation done while AFK. http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1(He apparently clarifies this in the thread: CCP Sreegs wrote:Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong )
AFK mining aint against the rules cos u have to get back to your pc every once a while to clear your cargo, warp back and restart mining. |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.08.11 08:04:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote: AFK mining aint against the rules cos u have to get back to your pc every once a while to clear your cargo, warp back and restart mining.
That's semi afk mining, which of course is allowed because when you need to interact you're there to do so and if you're not you'll end up mining nothing once the roid has been mined to nothing or the cargohold is full. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1027
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Posted - 2012.08.11 08:04:00 -
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Ensign X wrote:Xython wrote:Per CCP Sreegs, AFK Mining is an exploit and not an intended use of the game mechanics, as is any form of mass wealth generation done while AFK. http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1(He apparently clarifies this in the thread: CCP Sreegs wrote:Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong ) Translation: I'm mis-quoting an announcement about AFK Complex farming to support my whining about mining even though the announcement has nothing to do with and does not in any way reference mining. I have no idea what I'm talking about and have a 3rd grade comprehension of the english language.
Oh hey, nice to see you follow me over here too. Man, I musta touched a nerve to get you so pissed off.
But nah, not mis-quoting really. He states that doing things that are making you money, while AFK, while logged in all day, which are meant to be active gameplay elements, is "doing something wrong."
AFK Mining hits every single one of those criteria. To wit:
1. Makes you money (ore / ice -> isk) 2. Done while AFK (Oh lord yes.) 3. Able to be done 23.5 x 7 if you check every so often. 4. Are meant to be active gameplay elements (ores weigh something, meaning you're not meant to be able to mine for an infinite amount of time without interaction)
Ergo, AFK Mining is "doing something wrong" -- and when CCP says you're "doing something wrong" this means you are "exploiting."
Therefore: AFK Mining is an exploit.
This isn't difficult logic.
I am glad CCP is finally acknowledging that AFK Isk Generation (i.e. Mining) is a horrific exploit that is killing the EVE economy and EVE itself, but for some reason I fear they will back down and not actually do anything about it. Too many entitled players, addicted to the sight of their wallets ticking up.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
502
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Posted - 2012.08.11 08:10:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve. You should thank Goons for their actions showing how silly mining barges and ganking those was. They made a point and actually helped those changes more than everyone, if you can't actually see the picture then look at it deeply Actually it pains me to say this but the announcement that hulkagedon was permanent was probably a large factor in pushing these changes through now, they might have been done at the winter expansion but due to the Goons we got it sooner.
They may have just been lining there on pockets by making a bigger market for tech but the side effect is these awesome changes.
So Thank you Goonswarm...
I think I need a shower after that statement. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Peter Raptor
X-Exclusion-X
266
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Posted - 2012.08.11 09:36:00 -
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Xython wrote:Ensign X wrote:Xython wrote:Per CCP Sreegs, AFK Mining is an exploit and not an intended use of the game mechanics, as is any form of mass wealth generation done while AFK. http://community.eveonline.com/news/newsFromEve.asp?newsTitle=regarding-afk-complex-farming-1(He apparently clarifies this in the thread: CCP Sreegs wrote:Protip for the future: if your computer is logged in 24 (or way more than a person can) hours a day making money in a way that is meant to be active and you're not in front of it you're probably doing something wrong ) Translation: I'm mis-quoting an announcement about AFK Complex farming to support my whining about mining even though the announcement has nothing to do with and does not in any way reference mining. I have no idea what I'm talking about and have a 3rd grade comprehension of the english language. Oh hey, nice to see you follow me over here too. Man, I musta touched a nerve to get you so pissed off. But nah, not mis-quoting really. He states that doing things that are making you money, while AFK, while logged in all day, which are meant to be active gameplay elements, is "doing something wrong." AFK Mining hits every single one of those criteria. To wit: 1. Makes you money (ore / ice -> isk) 2. Done while AFK (Oh lord yes.) 3. Able to be done 23.5 x 7 if you check every so often. 4. Are meant to be active gameplay elements (ores weigh something, meaning you're not meant to be able to mine for an infinite amount of time without interaction) Ergo, AFK Mining is "doing something wrong" -- and when CCP says you're "doing something wrong" this means you are "exploiting." Therefore: AFK Mining is an exploit. This isn't difficult logic. I am glad CCP is finally acknowledging that AFK Isk Generation (i.e. Mining) is a horrific exploit that is killing the EVE economy and EVE itself, but for some reason I fear they will back down and not actually do anything about it. Too many entitled players, addicted to the sight of their wallets ticking up.
CCP Sreeg specifically says he doesnt want to see 23.5/7 afk complexing , but being afk so "you can feed yourself" while complexing is fine with CCP Sreegs. And yes some peoples dinners go for an hour, and Sreegs is obviously fine with that in his post .
Are you sure youre not this guy?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MLry6Cn_D4 Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2012.08.11 09:56:00 -
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Xython wrote:There was plenty of safety in mining, if you weren't an AFK Botting moron fitting no tank and max yield in a ship designed for group nullsec mining.
Unfortunately, CCP gave in to the AFK Botting Moron Menace.
Who caused this in first place? Goons vs. hisec war maybe?
And in the same process you guys ruined Hulkageddon as event. |
Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
44
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Posted - 2012.08.11 10:42:00 -
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Well if it is true that Goons actually did influence the outcome (which IMO was a really good and logical one).
Could I kindly ask that you have a permanent gatecamper event? :D
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Cobalt Sablestar Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
0
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Posted - 2012.08.11 13:44:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:
Keep up the good work hisec miners, don't let Goons monopolize Eve.
There are at least 10 other factors besides Goons that have driven the numbers down for the past 15 months.
Your statement gives them too much credit undeservedly. |
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