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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2010.12.06 18:18:00 -
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I was thinking today what would happen if a majority of macroers were banned in the near future, how would the market react. Bots to my knowledge rat, and mine. some say they mission, even lvl 4 combat missions, so wouldnt this present a large change in the market? wouldn't ice prices shoot up? would mineral prices increase? would implants increase? decrease as RMT's try to sell off everything they own when their buddies are banned?
no i do not own significant quantities of anything said, i'm just curious. as too what people think
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2010.12.06 18:31:00 -
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Are they into planetary interactions yet? That seems another place to exploit.
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Netheranthem
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Posted - 2010.12.06 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Netheranthem on 06/12/2010 18:46:28 Well, bots if they are numerous enough, would devaluate the value of ISK and Minerals. If they stopped, I guess we'd see a small increase in mineral prices, and maybe, but really not sure, prices dropping a little for everything else and going higher for implants. Didn't see much ratting / missioning bots though :)
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rain9441
Big Head Want Dolly
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Posted - 2010.12.06 18:52:00 -
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Less bots = less miners, less mission runners, less ratters, etc.
Mineral prices would go up due to lower supply. ISK value would go up due to lower supply (Less bounties). - As a result of isk value going up and mineral prices going up, the actual price of minerals would likely not be altered significantly. Salvaged parts/rig market: Unknown due to the Noctis effect. LP store items: Up, up, up and away! Huge increase in prices.
End result: Slight increase in mineral prices. Cheaper T2/T3 mats result in cheaper T2/T3 products (Due to the ISK value going up). PLEX price drops due to less demand and less ISK faucets running in the game.
But as other people will most definately point out, I'm probably way off :)
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.12.06 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Berikath on 06/12/2010 19:57:52
Originally by: rain9441
End result: Slight increase in mineral prices. Cheaper T2/T3 mats result in cheaper T2/T3 products (Due to the ISK value going up). PLEX price drops due to less demand and less ISK faucets running in the game.
But as other people will most definately point out, I'm probably way off :)
Assuming botters were banned permanently and immediately (so they couldn't just come back w/ different account), prices of (particularly high-sec) minerals would shoot up a whole lot... my random guess is probably to the point where you make 50-75% the ISK/hr mining in high-sec as you do missioning in high-sec.
PLEX prices would be harder to gauge. While yes, there would be fewer accounts run on PLEXes, PI significantly increases the profitability of each account. Personally I see a long-term trend for PLEXes to go up to at or above the amount that can be made doing high- or low-sec PI, at least on a single character
*edit*
However, I fully expect that all of this is a mute point anyway. Dr. Whats-his-name-CCP's-economist would likely have a heart attack if supply got screwed that much. *** Wish list for PI:
*One-click input routing *Copy product, inputs & outputs in factories *Launchpad upgrades: twice the space, twice the cost, half the hassle! |
Von Kroll
Caldari Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.06 20:45:00 -
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But doesn't having all that isk flowing into the game (if some of the now famous thread on the other message board is true) basically create inflation across the board? Wouldn't we see things like T3 prices come down since people wouldn't have enough isk to lose 5 Loki a month?
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00 RatingBot987657
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Posted - 2010.12.06 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal Are they into planetary interactions yet? That seems another place to exploit.
Yes the mining bots have a pi option. Its just resetting and transportation. Really easy.
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2010.12.06 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Netheranthem Edited by: Netheranthem on 06/12/2010 18:46:28 Well, bots if they are numerous enough, would devaluate the value of ISK and Minerals. If they stopped, I guess we'd see a small increase in mineral prices, and maybe, but really not sure, prices dropping a little for everything else and going higher for implants. Didn't see much ratting / missioning bots though :)
during the last unholy rage thing they unbanned the bots shortly, and every bot and thier mom sold off implants, minerals and the like lowering cost of everything shortly. so who knows whats going on, im sure not all bots will be banned a tthe same time, meaning the unbannd ones will sell everything
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Vested Interest
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Posted - 2010.12.06 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Herping yourDerp
during the last unholy rage thing they unbanned the bots shortly, and every bot and thier mom sold off implants, minerals and the like lowering cost of everything shortly. so who knows whats going on, im sure not all bots will be banned a tthe same time, meaning the unbannd ones will sell everything
I'm going to need a source for this. Unholy rage was an unprecedented windfall for implant traders. I made countless billions (100+) from it and I've seen no evidence of a reversal.
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2010.12.06 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vested Interest
Originally by: Herping yourDerp
during the last unholy rage thing they unbanned the bots shortly, and every bot and thier mom sold off implants, minerals and the like lowering cost of everything shortly. so who knows whats going on, im sure not all bots will be banned a tthe same time, meaning the unbannd ones will sell everything
I'm going to need a source for this. Unholy rage was an unprecedented windfall for implant traders. I made countless billions (100+) from it and I've seen no evidence of a reversal.
You could see it in the price charts. They banned the bots, implants and other items skyrocketed, and then they messed up and unbanned many of them and the same prices crashed as they rushed to sell their goods and get the money to safety before being re-banned.
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Vested Interest
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Posted - 2010.12.06 23:13:00 -
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Now that you mention it I do remember there being some chatter over them being only temp bans but I don't recall the "laundering" traders coming back en-masse. The implant markets seem to have stayed healthy over the past 1.5 years though.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.12.06 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 06/12/2010 23:24:09
Originally by: corestwo You could see it in the price charts. They banned the bots, implants and other items skyrocketed, and then they messed up and unbanned many of them and the same prices crashed as they rushed to sell their goods and get the money to safety before being re-banned.
I just checked the eve-central dump for June 20th 2009 (Unholy Rage was 22nd) and at that time Ocular Filter - Standard implants were 14.3-15m on Jita sell orders (which matches my memory of prices back then).
While I, too, remember reading reports of panic dumps after unbanning their effect can only have been of a very temporary nature as +4 implants have been around 21m +/- 2m for well over a year now.
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Machete Visor
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Posted - 2010.12.07 01:35:00 -
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Help me out here
Bots are basically faucets on turbo
Sure, some of the bots are also sink players (ie, they spend their ISK) but the ones everyone is crying about RMTers... so they sell their ISK to other players (who then go and become sinks).
If we removed those turbo faucets...
Wouldn't it devalue the ISK? The demand for ISK would still be the same. But the faucets for players would be the same (XXX ISK for 1 rat, etc). Therefore, 1 hr ratting (mining, whatever) would = more mods/ships.
That should make the game more accessible to players and increase the subscriber base.
I guess from CCP's perspective, would that increase be > the decrease in subscribing bots.
THat is their economic decision.
Also as the ISK devalues, it becomes more and more lucrative to become a bot...
If you check the www.evenews.com or whatever today, some alliance just moved 50 titans or something isane across nullsec.
How much longer can supercap fleets be constructed on the backs of bots before the game loses purpose?
...they'll need to continue to inflate the rats to keep it interesting...
*point incursion super rats*
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Fred Barbossa
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Posted - 2010.12.07 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Fred Barbossa on 07/12/2010 02:15:47 The second and third largest isk sinks were market orders and I find it surprising that people in the market discussion forum aren't going to point out that there are market bots sinking isk out of the economy. They aren't necessarily 23/7 jita spammers they could easily be log on and update 250 orders automatically types which are hard to catch and ban.
Bots are in everything so its hard to tell what removing them would do unless your removing specific bots.
Edit: As for the RMT problem ccp needs to do something about contract scamming as its easy to launder money when someone can "accidentally" give billions of isk to someone else.
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Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
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Posted - 2010.12.07 06:26:00 -
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I, for one, welcome our new unholy overlords.
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Carniflex
StarHunt R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.12.07 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal Are they into planetary interactions yet? That seems another place to exploit.
I was wondering about that as well. Took me about 45 minutes of furious cliking today to refresh my planet farm and I run on 23h cykles. Boring as hell. While perhaps bot could do the same thing on 30 min cykles and it would take propably less than 30 minutes per round to refresh colonies - would leave extra few minutes to haul the products.
If you can make the bot to run level 5 missions, then how hard could it be to make it do a PI. Hell, even some mouse driver could do a PI, if you set up the colonies properly, as you always end up centered at the command center, so mouse drivers that can record mouse movement could be recorded to do the PI for you under one macro button. You would just stare at your screen for few minutes while the stuff runs its course. Although it would be propably against EULA and so not a healthy thing to do.
Can't wait for January part of the patch.
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Suicida1
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Posted - 2010.12.07 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Herping yourDerp I was thinking today what would happen if a majority of macroers were banned in the near future
"Online" counter will go down from 30 000 to 15 000.
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