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Ehrghiez
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:06:00 -
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If this comes across as trolling in any way, shape, or form, I apologize before hand.
I've noticed that in several topics with plenty of productive out comes, it never ends up that way. I see more bashing and completely unproductive replies than something of use.
Its not so much of a surprise to see people disrespect one another simply because they have the internet and a keyboard, but I've noticed that its far greater within the Eve community than most I have been a part of. Most, not all.
I'm not speaking of in-game terms, just the forums. I am sure in-game is just as bad if not worse. I haven't experienced it within the game as of yet.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:08:00 -
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And the point of this thread is...?
 Originally by: CCP Zulu
You're assuming I read threads before I turdpost in them :)
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Foofad
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:11:00 -
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It's not just Eve players, it's the internet in general. People relish in being *******s on the internet, it happens. Just roll with it.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:19:00 -
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I find the general mood trollish and playful. People wanting to discuss normal things politely will encounter little attitude. On the other hand, if you happen to be one of those special few who thinks they have the best idea ever, but are actually just too stupid to see how bad idea they have or how it would pretty much ruin EVE, you can expect a decent amount of hostility coming your way no matter how polite you are.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:26:00 -
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ThereÆs a phrase which may put a light on your confusion. It was coined by one of the less savory groups in EVE. ôWe donÆt want to break the game. We just want to break your game.ö In short, they want to change the way EVE works and recreate it in a form that will cater to the play style they prefer. It isnÆt enough that they are free to play as they wish, they would have everyone restricted to the same play style so that everyone would be compelled to play with them more.
On these forums you will find many attempts to drive those who think differently from forums by use of jeers, name calling, etc. This is because CCP pays some attention to the forums and uses some of what they see in the forums to make game play decisions.
Regards,
Windjammer
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Aquana Abyss
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:43:00 -
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Generally people are unhappy with themselves that they have done something 'uncool' in playing computer games via the internet.
This disappointment and self-loathing normally reflects itself through any self-expression and contact with others while online.
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00 RatingBot987657
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:44:00 -
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wth, was this topic really about people seeming mean to him? woow htfu you noob
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Culmen
Caldari
Blood Phage Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.07 00:50:00 -
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One thing to note is that the EVE forum is not really representative of EVE as a whole.
The forum just contains the most opinionated segment.
And troll alts, lots and lots of troll alts.
Heck there's alot of variation even within the forum.
Think GD is bad? Take a look at COAD.
Conversely, New Citizen Q&A is alot more supportive.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.07 01:16:00 -
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Let them get on with it. There's bags of room for everyone.
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Peter XZ
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.07 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Peter XZ on 07/12/2010 01:22:10
When I first browsed the forums as a new player I was shocked by the rudeness of many replies,
But you do get used to it, and as long as you dont take it personally, many trolls and flamers are very funny
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.12.07 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 07/12/2010 01:31:12
Original and compelling thoughts are treated pretty well.
Most of the threads here are people repeating the same crap in different ways, which forum regulars have little or no patience for.
But it also is a game which encourages and celebrates the more unpleasant aspects of humans, which doesn't help.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.12.07 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ehrghiez
I've noticed that in several topics with plenty of productive out comes, it never ends up that way. I see more bashing and completely unproductive replies than something of use.
Then stop reading so much CAOD or C&P (where that's pretty much the desired outcome), take most of the stuff in S&I and MD with a grain of salt (thanks to hidden background interests), and frequent Ships&Modules, Missions&Complexes, New Citizens or even OOPE a bit more, but especially New Citizens (where with the exception of the most annoying posters, almost everybody tries to be as helpful as possible). EGD is a crapshoot, can go either way, depends on individual thread (tone of the OP mostly, discussed topic if previously hashed and rehashed, etc).
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.07 01:47:00 -
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A lot of us are jaded after playing for a few years, this game and others, and seeing the same topics being brought up over and over again. There are quite a few people who think that they have absolutely original things to say, and so they open new threads just for themselves, even though the same discussion is going on in 15 other threads on the front page, so it gets old and tiresome after a few years, heh.
But yeah, as Akita is saying, certain forums are very friendly and helpful (New Citizens, Ships, Skills, Market) while others are complete crap (General Discussion) or epeen waving and mostly insults (CAOD etc). And, certain forum posters try to answer newbie questions the best they can, while others are all about insults and noise.
It's the internets, what can you do.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Green-Core
The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.07 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Merouk Baas
It's the internets, what can you do.
Sign off?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Ok, I tried to say that with a straight face. Obviously I failed miserably. Moving on...
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Ranzabar
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Posted - 2010.12.07 03:15:00 -
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The Internet is nasty and Eve isn't Hello Kitty Islands of Adventure.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar
Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.12.07 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ehrghiez
Its not so much of a surprise to see people disrespect one another simply because they have the internet and a keyboard
You seem to be implying that people are disrespectful on the internet due to no rl consequences.
I would submit that when people are on the internet, they tend to spout of some of the dumbest things imaginable due to having no rl consequences to their stupidity, therefore causing themselves to get flamed and trolled (and rightly so in my opinion)
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.12.07 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ranzabar
Eve isn't Hello Kitty Islands of Adventure.
Clearly you haven't been up north.
My Warmest Regards.
Prof. Tarantula, Esq. |
Rodriqu
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Posted - 2010.12.07 04:05:00 -
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i come to the forums to look for troll posts, troll topics, and long threads of people bickering back and forth over troll threads, i am rarely disapointed
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.07 04:12:00 -
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I remember when I first started playing eve. I came in here full of sunshine and happiness and rainbows and whatnot. I spoke politely to everyone, never dreamed of taking something that wasn't mine, vowed to be an anti-pirate and to keep my fellow miners safe from all the asshats of eve.
Now I have more characters listed as corp thiefs than I know what to do with, I've disbanded more corps than I care to count (as well as a few alliances), I've listened to a 12 year old cry for his ship on vent (and still chuckle from time to time at the recordings) and sometimes I suicide gank people just for the hell of it.
Now sometimes I'll play a different MMO (not WoW mind you) and the people constantly being nice to each other does nothing but annoy the crap out of me, and almost immediately I think "What's the most offensive thing I could do here that doesn't involve me getting banned?"
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.07 04:46:00 -
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The best way to find better eve discussions is to leave General Chat. This forum is the busiest, so it gets the most garbage.
I would say that I've had some of the best conversations with eve players than any other MMO I've played, and sadly there were a few.
Best of luck and welcome!
AG
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Do you really care what trolls say? If yes, please take a break and head outside, it helps.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.07 05:02:00 -
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Edited by: Tres Farmer on 07/12/2010 05:03:59
Heh, funny, if you ignore the trolling in here and just take the honest answers you got your question answered about right now imho (@OP).
PS: some days I answer nice and helpful while on others I just roll with the crowd and troll the more dumb posts coming up or try to be witty. Though the judge is any other reader and tastes are different. 
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2010.12.07 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer
ThereÆs a phrase which may put a light on your confusion. It was coined by one of the less savory groups in EVE. ôWe donÆt want to break the game. We just want to break your game.ö In short, they want to change the way EVE works and recreate it in a form that will cater to the play style they prefer. It isnÆt enough that they are free to play as they wish, they would have everyone restricted to the same play style so that everyone would be compelled to play with them more.
Very nicely said.Thats where the phrase "this is a pvp game" comes from.News flash..its a sandbox.Take out the missions,complexes,exploring and concord..then it will be a pvp game.
Originally by: Aquana Abyss
Generally people are unhappy with themselves that they have done something 'uncool' in playing computer games via the internet.
This disappointment and self-loathing normally reflects itself through any self-expression and contact with others while online.
Also very true..perfect example here
Originally by: 00 RatingBot987657
wth, was this topic really about people seeming mean to him? woow htfu you noob
Originally by: Ranzabar
The Internet is nasty and Eve isn't Hello Kitty Islands of Adventure.
Originally by: Cambarus
Now I have more characters listed as corp thiefs than I know what to do with, I've disbanded more corps than I care to count (as well as a few alliances), I've listened to a 12 year old cry for his ship on vent (and still chuckle from time to time at the recordings) and sometimes I suicide gank people just for the hell of it.
Now sometimes I'll play a different MMO (not WoW mind you) and the people constantly being nice to each other does nothing but annoy the crap out of me, and almost immediately I think "What's the most offensive thing I could do here that doesn't involve me getting banned?"
Moving on..
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Most of the threads here are people repeating the same crap in different ways, which forum regulars have little or no patience for.
Also true but this happens because there are flaws in the game mechanics and ccp should take a note to rethink them.
Originally by: Foofad
It's not just Eve players, it's the internet in general. People relish in being *******s on the internet, it happens. Just roll with it.
Best answer to the op.
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Posted - 2010.12.07 08:11:00 -
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I have found people on these forums to be bitter and jaded, and I love it!
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.12.07 08:23:00 -
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Sometimes you should shut your mouth if you have nothing to say that is constructive. Those that cannot do that need to have it shut for them by the moderators.
Unfortunately doesn't work like that.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.07 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ehrghiez
If this comes across as trolling in any way, shape, or form, I apologize before hand.
I've noticed that in several topics with plenty of productive out comes, it never ends up that way. I see more bashing and completely unproductive replies than something of use.
Its not so much of a surprise to see people disrespect one another simply because they have the internet and a keyboard, but I've noticed that its far greater within the Eve community than most I have been a part of. Most, not all.
I'm not speaking of in-game terms, just the forums.
It really depends on how you ask things and on what subforum you post it. Also, some topics (opinions) are a lot more sensitive than others (questions about mechanics). If I have some specific questions, I got very decent answers. If I question game mechanics, I know I can expect everything.
Generally I think the EVE forum is rather helpful. Just don't touch any sensitive topics.
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PhoenixDawn
Gallente
Forge Regional Security
United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.12.07 09:17:00 -
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It's not an Eve thing, it's a human nature thing.
Socially speaking people are repressed no matter where they are. The things they want to do they cannot due to the laws and mores of their society and cultures.
There are no such limitations on the internet. It operates with almost complete anonymity for the most part, offering people a completely unfettered venue through which they can act out all of the behaviors not acceptable in their culture.
So... you take a perfectly 'normal' average person, give them a venue offering complete anonymity and immunity from reprisals, and they turn into trolls. It does not matter what venue they are given through which to act, be it a Yahoonews comment wall or a gaming board or a review board for shows intended for toddlers. People, humans as a whole, hate. It is a core dynamic of the species. The 'net just gives them the freedom to spew it without worrying about the person next to them trying to shove a brick through their face.
And Eve's troll species is a relatively bland subset... other gaming venue forums are raging infernos compared to the relatively banal flames that crop up from time to time on these boards.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.12.07 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ehrghiez
I've noticed that in several topics with plenty of productive out comes, it never ends up that way. I see more bashing and completely unproductive replies than something of use.
If you would have to read the same not so smart question the 100th time, you would question the powers of search of the general population too.
Ofc, CCP only moderating posts that contain obvious crimes (insults are a crime in most countries) and topics they don't want to discuss ain't of much help either.
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.07 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: title
General Eve Player Attitude
please never confuse people who are on the forum with the majority of those who play the game.
the forum is not representative of the community.
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Eastman Color
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Posted - 2010.12.07 12:19:00 -
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A few generalisations
The forum is full of alts
Just because a "group" make alot of noise and appear to have a lot of support, doesn't mean that it's the most commonly held opinion.
Eve politics plays a small part in opinions, only as far as it's quite hard for some people to agree with someone they've been shooting at for the past few months.
Alot of "new ideas" stem from "how can this help me" rather than how can this make the game better.
Alot of people are playing the wrong game.
Internetspaceships is serious business.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Vorpal's Edge
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Posted - 2010.12.07 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: captain foivos
And the point of this thread is...?
it's for you to poop on it!
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