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Yabba Addict
Red Shift Enterprises
32
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Posted - 2012.08.12 19:04:00 -
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[Merlin, Kiting] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 75
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Lead Charge S
Small Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I Small Hybrid Locus Coordinator I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
I prefer the 125's, you get less paper dps but they track sooo much better
ED: And yes, the TD makes a real difference, i've managed a scorch coercer in this |

Antonio Medichi
Militek Industries Exotic Matter Coalition
3
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Posted - 2012.08.12 21:52:00 -
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with some skill, a rifter will destroy just about anything |

Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
414
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:09:00 -
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All subcaps can kill all subcaps... Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
15
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:44:00 -
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[Dramiel, armor tanked nos td dram] Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Damage Control II
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Coreli B-Type 1MN Afterburner
150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, EMP S Corpii C-Type Small Nosferatu
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I Small Projectile Burst Aerator I Small Anti-Explosive Pump I
Hobgoblin II x3
Shoudnt have a problem, orbit at 500, tracking speed script and have fun!
Otherwise a arty wolf should win, a raildevil should win easily (thrasher dps is, even with barrage, useless outside 16km), railharpy, sentinel will eat it, really any kiting frigate should do... . For brawling an enyo has a good chance, as does a vengeance/hawk (stay at 8km and plink away), or a dualweb harpy! A td firetail can do the same as a dram, and outfly it! |

To mare
Advanced Technology
23
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:51:00 -
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Antonio Medichi wrote:with some skill, a rifter will destroy just about anything same goes for the ibis |

Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:53:00 -
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(Incursus
150mm Railgun x3 (CN Antimatter)
Afterburner Scram Web
DC SAR ANP Overdrive
DPS Drone
Burst rig / Collision rig)
This can handle AC Thrashers. Some fights might be close but diving in and out of scram range so you get breaks away from his DPS is a pretty good trick to use. It can escape when it chooses, as well, so you do not need to commit to the fight. Yo |

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
46
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:58:00 -
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Koujjo Dian wrote:I had a Firetail with a TD kill my Coercer earlier. I made some piloting mistakes, mainly not getting it turned away from him soon enough but I still think I would have had to have flown it absolutely perfectly in order to win that fight. Truthfully I do not enjoy flying the Coercer. Frigate fights are much more fun but the Thrasher is hugely popular in FW minor plexes so I've felt compelled to fly a destroyer in order to counter them.
So after losing this fight it's got me thinking "Is there any Amarr frigate that can do the same thing to the Thrasher?". I think maybe a Slicer might stand a chance but the huge sig bloom from the MWD scares me. I'd love to be able to punch above my weight in a frigate but I just can't devise a laser boat that could do it. Suggestions?
Slicer can keep range of the trasher and has way superior range. But it cannot force the destroyer to stay.. altough in FW(that based on your question I suppose is the scenario) just scarign someone away is half a victory already. |

Tillimitrus Sand
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.08.13 23:21:00 -
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As the above people have been saying. Anything with rails and a TD, scram and web, AB will work. I personally chew T2 fitted Thrashers to pieces easily with my TD/150 rail Merlin. It also likes to snack on Rifters of a perticular fit. If you want to fly safe then dock up. I always fly deadly. - Xeris 7 |

Korg Tronix
Time Bandits. Suddenly Spaceships.
57
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Posted - 2012.08.14 06:33:00 -
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Here is a rough list of the frigates that can kill an ac thrasher
Most of the time: Rail Daredevil, pretty much any standard Hawk or Hookbill fit, most Vengeance fits, Kiting Slicers, Rail Ranis, Blaster/Rail Harpy, Helios, Buzzard, Armour Jags/Firetails/Dramiels, Sentinels and anything else that can hit it beyond 14km without letting it leave
Some of the time: Blaster/Rail Incursus/Merlin, Close Range Wolf, Close Range Retributions, Blaster Ranis/Comet, Cheetah, Anathema, im sure there are other fits that can do it but my brain is having a little fart at the moment.
All you have to remember is most people who fly AC thrashers stick to the same MSE/Scram/MWD fit and pretty much never change ammo out of the standard PP/EMP/Fusion types so a lot have really terrible dps at 8-10k so anything that can sit beyond that mark and still do dps will have a chance against a thrasher and there are plenty of frigates now that can do that.
The lists above are by no means foolproof they are just based around my experience of flying the above ships or fighting them. Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams] |

Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
417
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Posted - 2012.08.14 10:06:00 -
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Korg Tronix wrote:Here is a rough list of the frigates that can kill an ac thrasher
Most of the time: Rail Daredevil, pretty much any standard Hawk or Hookbill fit, most Vengeance fits, Kiting Slicers, Rail Ranis, Blaster/Rail Harpy, Helios, Buzzard, Armour Jags/Firetails/Dramiels, Sentinels and anything else that can hit it beyond 14km without letting it leave
Some of the time: Blaster/Rail Incursus/Merlin, Close Range Wolf, Close Range Retributions, Blaster Ranis/Comet, Cheetah, Anathema, im sure there are other fits that can do it but my brain is having a little fart at the moment.
All you have to remember is most people who fly AC thrashers stick to the same MSE/Scram/MWD fit and pretty much never change ammo out of the standard PP/EMP/Fusion types so a lot have really terrible dps at 8-10k so anything that can sit beyond that mark and still do dps will have a chance against a thrasher and there are plenty of frigates now that can do that.
The lists above are by no means foolproof they are just based around my experience of flying the above ships or fighting them.
+1 for this list.
Also the Buzzard is probably the best ship to go after the Thrasher, maybe not for technical reasons, but for lol factor.
And I've killed AC Thrashers in various frigs, probably 10 or more. And no I will not got get the killmails, I don't care about this thread enough to do so. Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/
http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
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Tillimitrus Sand
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.08.14 17:12:00 -
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Some much for the "frigate killer" niech that destroyers are suppose to fulfill. CCP should have given the destroyers the Stealth Bomber role instead of introducing the Stealth Bomber frig or some other specialist activity like light sniper that actually do decent DPS at range or a recon of some type. If you want to fly safe then dock up. I always fly deadly. - Xeris 7 |

Scrutt5
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
4
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Posted - 2012.08.14 20:18:00 -
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I've killed many thrashers in a Rifter.
Basically to answer your question.....
Any frig that can fit, AB, Scram and Tracking disrupter.. 4th mid + web or second TD. Armour buffer required.
You'll struggle against ab thrashers but hey there's no instant win to any situation in eve and the AB fit isn't overly popular.
Orbit at 8k to increase your orbit velocity and the effectiveness of the TD. Beware the better pilots but as a rule of thumb there ya go.
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Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:33:00 -
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Jude Lloyd wrote:And I've killed AC Thrashers in various frigs, probably 10 or more. And no I will not got get the killmails, I don't care about this thread enough to do so. Yes yes, but the real reason you won't got get them is because even if there actually were a single Thrasher KM in your board anywhere at all that was impressive, it would take forever to find it because you'd have to sift through all your other kills, which are basically made up of solo noob kills and Amamake ganks :) Yo |

Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
1836
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Posted - 2012.08.14 22:44:00 -
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Dorian Tormak wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:And I've killed AC Thrashers in various frigs, probably 10 or more. And no I will not got get the killmails, I don't care about this thread enough to do so. Yes yes, but the real reason you won't got get them is because even if there actually were a single Thrasher KM in your board anywhere at all that was impressive, it would take forever to find it because you'd have to sift through all your other kills, which are basically made up of solo noob kills and Amamake ganks :)
I'll make sure to remind Jude to stop PVPing unless the KM might be of interest to you.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.08.14 23:23:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Dorian Tormak wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:And I've killed AC Thrashers in various frigs, probably 10 or more. And no I will not got get the killmails, I don't care about this thread enough to do so. Yes yes, but the real reason you won't got get them is because even if there actually were a single Thrasher KM in your board anywhere at all that was impressive, it would take forever to find it because you'd have to sift through all your other kills, which are basically made up of solo noob kills and Amamake ganks :) I'll make sure to remind Jude to stop PVPing unless the KM might be of interest to you. -Liang Well I was just goofing around but since you replied I feel obligated to double reply because I'm cool like that so my response is this:
Maybe tell him to start PVPing, haha :D. Yo |

Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
417
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Posted - 2012.08.15 01:47:00 -
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Dorian Tormak wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Dorian Tormak wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:And I've killed AC Thrashers in various frigs, probably 10 or more. And no I will not got get the killmails, I don't care about this thread enough to do so. Yes yes, but the real reason you won't got get them is because even if there actually were a single Thrasher KM in your board anywhere at all that was impressive, it would take forever to find it because you'd have to sift through all your other kills, which are basically made up of solo noob kills and Amamake ganks :) I'll make sure to remind Jude to stop PVPing unless the KM might be of interest to you. -Liang Well I was just goofing around but since you replied I feel obligated to double reply because I'm cool like that so my response is this: Maybe tell him to start PVPing, haha :D.
? Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
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Dorian Tormak
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.08.15 02:11:00 -
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Jude Lloyd wrote:Dorian Tormak wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Dorian Tormak wrote:Jude Lloyd wrote:And I've killed AC Thrashers in various frigs, probably 10 or more. And no I will not got get the killmails, I don't care about this thread enough to do so. Yes yes, but the real reason you won't got get them is because even if there actually were a single Thrasher KM in your board anywhere at all that was impressive, it would take forever to find it because you'd have to sift through all your other kills, which are basically made up of solo noob kills and Amamake ganks :) I'll make sure to remind Jude to stop PVPing unless the KM might be of interest to you. -Liang Well I was just goofing around but since you replied I feel obligated to double reply because I'm cool like that so my response is this: Maybe tell him to start PVPing, haha :D. ? I'm just bugging, Jude
were buds right
but if not then f u Yo |

Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
1864
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Posted - 2012.08.16 09:41:00 -
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Yes: http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29496
-Liang
Ed: No implants, tank links, TDs, or other tomfoolery. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
15
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:52:00 -
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Guess the orca doesnt show on killmails, eh? |

Ryder 3vyn
State Navy
17
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:50:00 -
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The Executioner is really good right now some fits I made do Slicer-like damage at long range, it's tarded
W0lf Crendraven wrote:Guess the orca doesnt show on killmails, eh?
Also, butthurt |

Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
1868
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Posted - 2012.08.16 15:40:00 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Guess the orca doesnt show on killmails, eh?
LOL ~u jelly~
Hehe, it must hurt so much to admit that Heretics are better at frigate PVP than Tuskers. Or, well... PVP in general. Actually, just everything but being giant arrogant self righteous douchebags.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
443
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Posted - 2012.08.16 18:16:00 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:Guess the orca doesnt show on killmails, eh?
Lately I've been viewing the Tuskers like the nerdy boy scouts of Eve Online.
Read with Lisp: "Umm..umm..excuse me..um.. wheres the Orca on this killmail?"
Also, how would an Orca have helped in any way during this fight lmfao. Idiot...

Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/
http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
15
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Posted - 2012.08.17 04:44:00 -
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You guy do realize that that was a joke right?
(seeing as all you are known for throughout eve atm, i cant say if its right or wrong as i never see you outside of 2 jumps from ammamake, is no risk orca camping ) |

Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
1889
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Posted - 2012.08.17 05:22:00 -
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W0lf Crendraven wrote:You guy do realize that that was a joke right?
(seeing as all you are known for throughout eve atm, i cant say if its right or wrong as i never see you outside of 2 jumps from ammamake, is no risk orca camping )
No, it wasn't obvious it was a joke. It probably irritates Jude and me more than usual because neither of us partake in said bullshit.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Korg Tronix
Time Bandits. Suddenly Spaceships.
61
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Posted - 2012.08.17 07:19:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:You guy do realize that that was a joke right?
(seeing as all you are known for throughout eve atm, i cant say if its right or wrong as i never see you outside of 2 jumps from ammamake, is no risk orca camping ) No, it wasn't obvious it was a joke. It probably irritates Jude and me more than usual because neither of us partake in said bullshit. -Liang
don't worry people will just accuse you and Jude of being boosted instead Evil: If I were creating the world I wouldn't mess about with butterflies and daffodils. I would have started with lasers, eight o'clock, Day One! [zaps one of his minions accidentally, minion screams] |

Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
444
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Posted - 2012.08.17 07:44:00 -
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Korg Tronix wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:W0lf Crendraven wrote:You guy do realize that that was a joke right?
(seeing as all you are known for throughout eve atm, i cant say if its right or wrong as i never see you outside of 2 jumps from ammamake, is no risk orca camping ) No, it wasn't obvious it was a joke. It probably irritates Jude and me more than usual because neither of us partake in said bullshit. -Liang don't worry people will just accuse you and Jude of being boosted instead
I don't even have a campfit T3 or an Orca.
I hate being accused of such filthy activities.
As for being boosted... I love me some boosts. Mmmmm boosts. Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
444
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Posted - 2012.08.17 07:46:00 -
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To sum up...
Yes, frigs can kill AC Thrashers.
Many of them can. Heretic Army Warlord and Diplomat Host of Frigfest http://judelloyd.blog.com/ http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/
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Allota VaISK
Self Aggrandisement
8
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Posted - 2012.08.17 10:51:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
Hehe, it must hurt so much to admit that Heretics are better at frigate PVP than Tuskers. Or, well... PVP in general. Actually, just everything but being giant arrogant self righteous douchebags.
-Liang
I really should just ignore these petty exchanges like usual, but It's stuff like this that removed any respect I had for your posts; what used to be helpful, thoughtful responses and not rising to any obvious barbs.
Based off of what you now write, you must be so boring to listen to. |

Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
218
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Posted - 2012.08.17 11:02:00 -
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The winter Kestrel will be able to fire rockets from long-point range with just two velocity rigs. With four mids and an enormous speed advantage, I'm sure you can fill in the blanks :-) |

Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
144
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Posted - 2012.08.17 11:58:00 -
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The two standard (generalised) Thrasher fits:
1) AC Thrashers 2) Artillery Thrashers
Kite AC Thrashers, their projection is terrible. Either:
Kite in scrambler range, at which point you'll probably need to be an AF (better tank, can just outgank them at this range) or have a Tracking Disruptor w/ Optimal Range Disruption script. Or kite outside 13km, ala Slicer, Executioner (I guess, haven't flown the "new" frigates much since they're not great at fighting gangs on gates solo/small gang).
Against Artillery Thrasher, tuck under it's guns and just brawl it down. Most AFs will be able to do this assuming you start at 0 or can get there quickly. Interceptors or their T1 variant can get under their guns with a TD at this point, just overheat your Afterburner.
Armour tanked Thrashers will have a web which makes the two methods above more dangerous, but Shield ones are pretty ez-mode. |
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