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Vu Ma'ak
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.11 02:52:00 -
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I'm new to the game, so please forgive me if this is a stupid question... but why are there so many haters toward miners out there? Don't miners provide a valuable service to the EVE community, creating the basic building blocks of the ships, weapons, etc. etc. that power every aspect of the game?
I see so many people complaining about miners with the new version. I just started recently, so I don't understand it all... but it makes me wonder. Maybe I'm missing an important point about the game?
Anyway, why do so many people hate miners? Should I forego a career as a miner because everyone hates them, and instead become a mission runner. I don't have the time to put into being a good PvPer, which is why I was drawn to EVE... you can do things in EVE, well from what I understand, without having EVE be a full time job (of which I already have one). |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1804
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Posted - 2012.08.11 02:53:00 -
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Gotta hate someone |

James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.11 02:54:00 -
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I have a better question: Why do so many miners hate the gankers, can-flippers, pirates, and others who bring them excitement and emergent gameplay that only EVE can provide?
Vu Ma'ak wrote:Should I forego a career as a miner because everyone hates them, and instead become a mission runner. That's not a bad idea. It will be a better training route toward the PvP you'll need to get to keep the game interesting.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.08.11 02:54:00 -
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Welcome to EvE, as you will notice every type of player hates every other
People hate Miners, Gankers, PvP, Mission Runners, Hi-sec people, Null sec People, Lo-sec people, Wormholers the list goes on
Its easy pick where you belong and dislike all others  Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Theangryhobo
Hobo Industries Inc
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Posted - 2012.08.11 02:56:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I have a better question: Why do so many miners hate the gankers, can-flippers, pirates, and others who bring them excitement and emergent gameplay that only EVE can provide?
I don't hate them. I actually enjoy the diversity they provide. Staring at cycles gets old after awhile.
As for why people hate us as miners, it is due to the fact that we make money off of little to no training, and all we have to do is sit there and hope none of the flippers or gankers find us. Thankfully, James is providing some new and exciting entertainment in the mining industry, though. Self Appointed Police of the Character Bazaar
Because I like looking at your stuff |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
500
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Posted - 2012.08.11 02:56:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I have a better question: Why do so many miners hate the gankers, can-flippers, pirates, and others who bring them excitement and emergent gameplay that only EVE can provide? Vu Ma'ak wrote:Should I forego a career as a miner because everyone hates them, and instead become a mission runner. That's not a bad idea. It will be a better training route toward the PvP you'll need to get to keep the game interesting. That depends on your mental capacity, If you are more like a sheep go PvP, if you intelligent become a miner/manufacturer.
Or if you have a huge pair go into wormholes.
See the action of hating/belittling other player groups in action. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Jonah Gravenstein
727
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Posted - 2012.08.11 02:58:00 -
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It's not that people hate miners, it's that a subset of miners are self entitled whining asshats that refuse to adapt to the fact that everything in Eve is a form of PvP. The moment you undock is the moment that you consent to being exploded, tank your mining ships, don't AFK and above all don't cry in local when you explode, tears are valuable currency. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

Theangryhobo
Hobo Industries Inc
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Posted - 2012.08.11 02:59:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:That's not a bad idea. It will be a better training route toward the PvP you'll need to get to keep the game interesting. That depends on your mental capacity, If you are more like a sheep go PvP, if you intelligent become a miner/manufacturer.
I wouldn't say mining requires intelligence, and you can manufacture without mining yourself. Hard, but doable. Self Appointed Police of the Character Bazaar
Because I like looking at your stuff |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
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Posted - 2012.08.11 02:59:00 -
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For because Nothing Found |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1804
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:03:00 -
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Theangryhobo wrote:Frying Doom wrote:That's not a bad idea. It will be a better training route toward the PvP you'll need to get to keep the game interesting. That depends on your mental capacity, If you are more like a sheep go PvP, if you intelligent become a miner/manufacturer. I wouldn't say mining requires intelligence, and you can manufacture without mining yourself. Hard, but doable.
Actually I find it easier, certainly a lot less tedious |
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:06:00 -
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Just realize the forums are the vocal minority. Most players go about their gamelives without experiencing a lot of the hate and vitriol that is spewed here. Eve is a game (regardless of what they say) and as such, play it however you want to, as long as you're having fun.
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Theangryhobo
Hobo Industries Inc
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:06:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Theangryhobo wrote:Frying Doom wrote:That's not a bad idea. It will be a better training route toward the PvP you'll need to get to keep the game interesting. That depends on your mental capacity, If you are more like a sheep go PvP, if you intelligent become a miner/manufacturer. I wouldn't say mining requires intelligence, and you can manufacture without mining yourself. Hard, but doable. Actually I find it easier, certainly a lot less tedious
And less time consuming. It's okay, I'll continue to mine for you. Go make me moar ships so the gankers have something to kill when I'm mining by my lonesome. Self Appointed Police of the Character Bazaar
Because I like looking at your stuff |

Theangryhobo
Hobo Industries Inc
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:07:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:Just realize the forums are the vocal minority.
WHAT? Nowai bro, we represent all that is good and honest and just in the player-base of this game. Screw the 80% of players that don't even know the forums exist.
Self Appointed Police of the Character Bazaar
Because I like looking at your stuff |

Jonah Gravenstein
727
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:10:00 -
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Theangryhobo wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Just realize the forums are the vocal minority. WHAT? Nowai bro, we represent all that is good and honest and just in the player-base of this game. Screw the 80% of players that don't even know the forums exist.
and then whine in local that CCP nerfed them when they didn't read the dev blogs or patchnotes War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
500
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:11:00 -
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Theangryhobo wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:Just realize the forums are the vocal minority. WHAT? Nowai bro, we represent all that is good and honest and just in the player-base of this game. Screw the 80% of players that don't even know the forums exist. Yes there ignorance is our bliss. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Adalynne Rohks
Tax Evasion Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:12:00 -
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Well, I'm no expert, but during the course of my life so far, I've observed that the majority of people seem to have this instinct/urge to hate something. It doesn't really matter who or what it is, but something has to be the "bad guy".
This isn't something unique to Eve, either. Everywhere, in almost everything, people will always have a strong desire to find and create enemies. Sure would be nice if we could all find a way to get along and stop killing each other, eh...?
Also, gankers are lame and should be banned from the internet.....
because I say so... |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:20:00 -
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We don't hate miners. We hate carebears. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Adalynne Rohks
Tax Evasion Anonymous
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:23:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:We don't hate miners. We hate carebears.
Exhibit A
Does it have to make any sense, really?
Nope. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:23:00 -
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I love miners.
I hate whiny carebears who expect CCP to fix everything for them to remove risk even though mechanics already exist to let the player do this. |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:28:00 -
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Adalynne Rohks wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:We don't hate miners. We hate carebears. Exhibit A Does it have to make any sense, really? Nope. There are plenty of good reasons. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:29:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:I love miners.
I hate whiny carebears who expect CCP to fix everything for them to remove risk even though mechanics already exist to let the player do this. I wonder how many "miners" that leaves?
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1207
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:31:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:I love miners.
I hate whiny carebears who expect CCP to fix everything for them to remove risk even though mechanics already exist to let the player do this. I wonder how many "miners" that leaves? A few. Never tried counting. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1262
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:45:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:James 315 wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:I love miners.
I hate whiny carebears who expect CCP to fix everything for them to remove risk even though mechanics already exist to let the player do this. I wonder how many "miners" that leaves? A few. Never tried counting. Hm, mechanics to remove risk.. you referring to local here? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Vu Ma'ak
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:51:00 -
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Thanks for all the answers so quickly, everyone. I guess I thought EVE was more of a mental game where there was more intelligence and thinking people than other MMORPGs. I guess every game is a microcosm of the real world in many ways.
I can also see how doing one thing can be boring, and the need to expand your knowledge and gameplay is important to most. It's a good lesson to start out... I'll try experience all of EVE and make choices based on what I like and the things I am able to do well. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1262
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Posted - 2012.08.11 03:55:00 -
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Vu Ma'ak wrote:I can also see how doing one thing can be boring, and the need to expand your knowledge and gameplay is important to most. It's a good lesson to start out... I'll try experience all of EVE and make choices based on what I like and the things I am able to do well. ...
Make sure you're having fun in EVE. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
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Posted - 2012.08.11 05:54:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I have a better question: Why do so many miners hate the gankers, can-flippers, pirates, and others who bring them excitement and emergent gameplay that only EVE can provide? .
Hehah... so we need to thank that mugger for bringing us more excitement than a normal walk in the park would give :)
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Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
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Posted - 2012.08.11 06:01:00 -
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Vu Ma'ak wrote:I'm new to the game, so please forgive me if this is a stupid question... but why are there so many haters toward miners out there? Don't miners provide a valuable service to the EVE community, creating the basic building blocks of the ships, weapons, etc. etc. that power every aspect of the game?
I see so many people complaining about miners with the new version. I just started recently, so I don't understand it all... but it makes me wonder. Maybe I'm missing an important point about the game?
Anyway, why do so many people hate miners? Should I forego a career as a miner because everyone hates them, and instead become a mission runner. I don't have the time to put into being a good PvPer, which is why I was drawn to EVE... you can do things in EVE, well from what I understand, without having EVE be a full time job (of which I already have one).
The primary reason that I've noticed is that miners tend to be 'hands-off' when it comes to PvP, and many pilots think EVE is supposed to be strictly PvP.
Here's a note, miner-haters: we provide the ore that builds your ships, your modules, your rigs....without us, you'd most likely have nothing but your pod to pewpew in (and since a pod has no weapons at all, that would be really boring).
Vu, keep on mining away. |

Alexzandvar Douglass
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.11 06:03:00 -
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Miners make something from nothing, so people akin Mining or Afk Mining to isk printing. Prices of ships fluctuate with availability of materials such a minerals, making it so people who make money of ship selling hate lots of miners while people who like to PvP love miners ( to kill and provide new ships ).
Mining is also not all that hard, Pretty much anyone can train it up on the side making Hybrid Corps more common nowadays rather than dedicated PvP or Indy/PvE Corps.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2012.08.11 06:07:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Gotta hate someone
This. You want fries with that? |

Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2012.08.11 06:09:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I have a better question: Why do so many miners hate the gankers, can-flippers, pirates, and others who bring them excitement and emergent gameplay that only EVE can provide? Vu Ma'ak wrote:Should I forego a career as a miner because everyone hates them, and instead become a mission runner. That's not a bad idea. It will be a better training route toward the PvP you'll need to get to keep the game interesting.
Once again, James 315 and his strange obsession with miners.
A love that dare not speak its name? You want fries with that? |
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