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RazorRaven	Posted - 2010.12.09 22:56:00 - [1] Edited by: RazorRaven on 09/12/2010 22:57:42 So, I was looking for decent tengu fit that is imune to probes but I am not shure what is right combination. I plan to use it for L4 missions in 0.0 for pirat fractions, still looking for home system. But I want to be prepeared and correct my skilling plan. From what I know i shuldn't use drones or rage missiles for increased signature radius. I understand whitch sub-systems tu use and high slots are obvious (more launchers = good thing). But I am not shure about meds, low and rigs. I understand that faction AB is needed for speed tanking. Different setups would be apriciated, with implants, or without, cheeper fits, expencive. Shut and tnx ;) [Tengu, unprobable - strip] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer rigs?
Moneyhungryhoe	Posted - 2010.12.09 23:19:00 - [2] 2 eccm in the mids, 1 in the lows, talon set iirc. So what that it's unprobable. Any pew pew gang with a single working braincell between them will try to catch you at the gates instead.
Ifly Uwalk Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency	Posted - 2010.12.09 23:45:00 - [3] As above except a Talon set is not necessary. Remaining Lows: 2 CN BCUs, 1 DC II; or 3 CN BCUs Remaining Mids: 1 AB, 1 med Deadspace Booster (Gistii B-Type iirc), 2 rat-specific hardeners; or, iso the 2 hardeners, 1 hardener and 1 shield boost amp Rigs: 2 Rigors and 1 to taste (CCC for me) Imps: to taste; I'd suggest DPS and/or shield
Khalia Nestune Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2010.12.10 02:58:00 - [4] With a LG Talon set (not that expensive), L5 skills in subsystems, and two T2 ECCM modules, you will not be probable.
Derekian The Scope	Posted - 2010.12.10 04:44:00 - [5] [Tengu, New Setup 1 copy 1] Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner ECCM - Gravimetric II ECCM - Gravimetric II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers You need a full set of talons/LG+lv5 subsystem You can use Scourge fury missiles, giving 711-750 dps. The ship has a 3 second allign time, which is fairly fast. The inertia stab (USE LOCAL HULL) subsystem and prop lets it allign fast. its the KING of blitz missions, as it alligns faster then frigates. It is unprobeable. havent lost one for years.
carbomb Super Team Munkey	Posted - 2010.12.10 09:58:00 - [6] i had a fit using talons but they were bugged. They gave a negative sensor strength coupled with the dissolution sequencer (sub on lvl 5). 2 eccm's and talons should make you unprobeable but i was getting a sensor strength of around 76. I am unaware as to whether they fixed this issue. The above fit is perfectly fine although i would swap the low fric for another missile or ccc rig. If you have a scout its all the agility u will need. If talons are still broke you only need to replace one of the low slots with a grav backup array. (make sure to not have talons plugged in if they are bugged as all the backups in the world wont help you be unprobeable as they will actually reduce your sensor strength but as i said, only if they are still broken, i've not bothered with them since so dont really know their status) Easiest way to check ur unprobeable is to take ur sig, divide it by ur sensor strength. if the result is under 1.08 then u should be unprobeable. the lower the number the better. i currently run at 0.806 on my tengu. Nobody has ever got close to scanning me down.
Widemouth Deepthroat	Posted - 2010.12.10 10:39:00 - [7] You really do want the hg talons if you are dedicated carebear since it lets you use fury missile while remaining unprobeable. I had same problems with the lg talons not being reliable. A set of low grade halos is very cheap, helps you tank and will let you fit 2 x mid slot eccm and you don't need the low slot one (fit another bcu or some nano mod). I use them myself since I swap out the mission runner to loki unprobeable booster for pvp.
Derekian The Scope	Posted - 2010.12.10 10:42:00 - [8] nah. my extra computer is used in jita or a second mission runner to increase isk/hour. Ive warped past interceptors many times, and i havent been cought. Even if you have a scout, how are you going to get past the camp? More important to me is isk/hour. They can camp the gate, ill go right past it anyways.
Traska Gannel	Posted - 2010.12.10 14:43:00 - [9] You specify L4 in 0.0 space ... Yes you will be unprobeable ... but bubbles will stop you dead in your tracks in 0.0. Bubbles on station, bubbles on gates ... bubbles on the other side of the gates from your mission agent :) ... decent pirates will know you (and others) are running missions and unless you are extremely careful ... preferably with a scout ... they will eventually catch you so keep that in mind :) (They might even anchor some mobile bubbles just to be inconvenient :) ).
Rakija13	Posted - 2010.12.10 14:54:00 - [10] You guys are great, tnx. Many useful info's. At this point I pretty much know the right combo for myself. Tnx for warning also, but I will do missions with alt in system with mostly blue people and don't plan to do missions outside the home system. So no warping gates.. I am just a guy who likes to protect his investments. ;) All future ideas are also welcomed and I plan to post my experiences as soon as I start running missions. I just don't want to spend whole time on scanner looking for probes. ;)
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.12.10 14:58:00 - [11] Get alt in scouting/boosting t3 and pump his standings too - so you will be able to decline "bad" missions. Also from my experience with tengu i know, that you WANT to use fury hmls so hg sensor strenght implants are pretty good idea. Btw dont forget to avoid missions with target painter spam.
SHK7 Fiction	Posted - 2010.12.10 15:05:00 - [12] I've been very interested in doing this myself for the past months now, the thing that you have to consider is that even tho you are not probeable, the wrecks around you are. And also, I believe the standard of operation for this type of venture is to have a cloaked scout at the entrance of your mission so you can have the gate on audio and be out as soon as someone even tries to come in... (when they scan down your wrecks and warp to they will end up at the acc. gate). /please discuss
Derekian The Scope	Posted - 2010.12.10 15:42:00 - [13] They cant probe your wrecks. My average mission completion time currently is 8.3 minutes. Thats 3 minutes traveling and 5.3 minutes shooting stuff. Its not easy to catch me :)
Zarbane	Posted - 2010.12.10 20:23:00 - [14] 8.3 Minutes to do a L5? Never done a L5 before but I assume you don't have to kill everything in order to finish most of them?
Derekian The Scope	Posted - 2010.12.10 23:50:00 - [15] Low sec lv 4 missions. lv 5 agents have bad LP/isk conversion
Khalia Nestune Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2010.12.11 00:30:00 - [16] Edited by: Khalia Nestune on 11/12/2010 00:30:49 Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat You really do want the hg talons if you are dedicated carebear since it lets you use fury missile while remaining unprobeable. I had same problems with the lg talons not being reliable. A set of low grade halos is very cheap, helps you tank and will let you fit 2 x mid slot eccm and you don't need the low slot one (fit another bcu or some nano mod). I use them myself since I swap out the mission runner to loki unprobeable booster for pvp. nevermind, pebkac
Khalia Nestune Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2010.12.11 00:58:00 - [17] Edited by: Khalia Nestune on 11/12/2010 01:00:30 nevermind, yet again, bad math
Babel Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2010.12.11 11:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Rakija13 don't plan to do missions outside the home system. If your home system is busier than the surrounding systems, missions will be in the surrounding quiet systems FAR more often. Originally by: SHK7 Fiction even tho you are not probeable, the wrecks around you are. Newp :) . All generalisations are false - Discuss.
Efraya Minmatar	Posted - 2010.12.11 11:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Derekian Low sec lv 4 missions. lv 5 agents have bad LP/isk conversion Yea, sure they do..... Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist
Derekian The Scope	Posted - 2010.12.12 15:11:00 - [20] Yes. If you are a seasoned mission runner, you will realise lv 5 missions are always with corps with bad LP stores.
RazorRaven	Posted - 2010.12.14 13:46:00 - [21] tnx for input ;)
Terrorform Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.14 23:05:00 - [22] Saw this thread, so figured I would post here, rather than open a new topic in Q&A. Hope I'm not thread hijacking (OP looks like his original query was answered) I can't get my head around why using an ECCM II would help lower your sig radius / make you undetectable...even though I know you guys are right, ofc :) The show info button describes the module as such: "A secondary electronic array that provides a significant boost to sensor strength for a short time. (eg, it boosts your sensor strength....how does that help?) Penalty: Using more than one type of this module or similar modules that affect the same attribute on the ship will be penalized." I would have thought I needed an Electronic Counter Measure instead.... Also, somebody somewhere (can't find the post) mentioned there was some ratio of sig radius to sensor strength that you had to hit to avoid being probable. Can anybody link me that or explain that too? It's all very well knowing what modules that I need to fit but I like to understand why I am fitting them too, and, as mentioned, can't get my head around this. Thanks.
Destamon Azure Freelancers	Posted - 2010.12.15 00:11:00 - [23] Check the last paragraph of the sixth post for the answer to your question, Terrorform.
Terrorform Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.15 00:56:00 - [24] Cool, not sure how I missed that. My bad.
Barrak Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.12.18 23:40:00 - [25] Hi, I have never flown a Tengu before, so please be gentle with me. May I ask how the tank deals with the incoming damage? I normaly fly highsec L4's and even with my decent skills, the CNR cap needs topping up quite a bit - and that can clear a mission fairly fast (Very high missile skills). The fits I have been playing with show the Tengu to have a very small tank, albeit with high resists. I'm just curious as to how these missions can be completed so fast with a ship that is designed more for hiding than for damage. Also... May I ask (I did start a thread on this but it is attracting the wrong kind of attention). Are these setups (more damage orientated) effective in standard highsec L4's? My skills for this type of setup - shields and missiles is very good.... so, on paper (which I know is not where the game is played) I should be pretty strong with this ship. Regards Barrak Talent does not count, its what you do with it that does
Khalia Nestune Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2010.12.22 21:16:00 - [26] Originally by: carbomb i had a fit using talons but they were bugged. They gave a negative sensor strength coupled with the dissolution sequencer (sub on lvl 5). 2 eccm's and talons should make you unprobeable but i was getting a sensor strength of around 76. I did some experimentation and research on this issue with the Low-grade Talons. First of all, removing the Low-grade Talon Alpha fixed part of the problem - I was able to get ECCMs to start giving bonuses. The second part of the problem is that it appears that when ECCM is turned on, the Tengu 15%/level sensor strength bonus is applied BEFORE the +1 from each implant is factored in. For example: Tengu has base 20 sensor strength. With LG Talon Beta, Gamma, Delta and Epsilon, you should have a +4 to gravimetric strength => 24 sensor strength. With L5 Caldari Electronics, 5.15=>75% bonus. 241.75 => 42 sensor strength. This is what you'll actually see in the client; it's working correctly here. Now enable a ECCM - Gravimetric II; it has a 96% bonus. So, 42 * 1.96 => 82.3 sensor strength. This is not what you see in the client. Instead you get 78. Why 78? Well, let's say you start with your base ship 20 strength. Then BEFORE implants, add the L5 skills 20 * 1.75 => 35. Then add implants (+4) => 39. Then add the ECCM bonus - 39 * 1.96 => 76.4. CCP has a bug in how the LG Talon implants are factored in when ECCM is used (or other sensor-strength boosters?)
Dodgy Past Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.12.23 15:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Barrak I'm just curious as to how these missions can be completed so fast with a ship that is designed more for hiding than for damage. Also... May I ask (I did start a thread on this but it is attracting the wrong kind of attention). Are these setups (more damage orientated) effective in standard highsec L4's? Tengu needs less tank because it's smaller and faster, therefore it takes less damage from missiles. Also because it's smaller and faster than a BS it can keep higher transversal vs. turrets and is harder to hit. I used to use a legion with a 260 DPS tank to do L4s and the only time it was in danger was if webbed, once all the webbers are dead it could tank the entire aggro of missions such as Pirate invasion because almost nothing could hit it. Also because the Tengu is using medium missiles it does full damage to cruisers / BCs, and much more damage to frigs than BS sized missiles.
SabotNoob	Posted - 2010.12.23 22:59:00 - [28] Originally by: carbomb Easiest way to check ur unprobeable is to take ur sig, divide it by ur sensor strength. if the result is under 1.08 then u should be unprobeable. the lower the number the better. i currently run at 0.806 on my tengu. Nobody has ever got close to scanning me down. So, if you're under 1.08, you are absolutely 100% unprobeable? Or could you still be probed down by someone with Level 5 skills in probing? ____________________ Chuck Norris can win a game of Connect Four in three moves.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.12.23 23:54:00 - [29] If its under 1.08 you are absolutely unprobeable. Even if prober is using virtue implants.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.24 06:41:00 - [30] heres a hint to the unprobale guys , i can infact scan u down it does require a fully rigged and maxed skills on a t3 legion but i can get supposdely unprobable tengus. So just a warning nothing is impossible
Babel Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2010.12.24 12:03:00 - [31] Originally by: HeliosGal heres a hint to the unprobale guys , i can infact scan u down it does require a fully rigged and maxed skills on a t3 legion but i can get supposdely unprobable tengus. Your comment has little weight :) .. Please present your evidence to the court ma'am ... PS - Maybe I misunderstand your post, but how can a Legion scan better than a covops frigate? Same scan strength bonuses [+10% per lvl], same rig calibration allowance [400, ie. 2 x GCU]... Also - don't forget that events within the mission may turn a missioner temporarily probable - Target Painting NPCs for example. . All generalisations are false - Discuss.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2010.12.24 12:55:00 - [32] He cant, its bull****. You just wont get warpable hit. 1.08 sig:ss ratio is taking all implants/skills/ships/rigs/whatever into account. Ive seen post that included sig:ss ratios needed to avoid probing by max skill pilot, pilot in bonused hull, rigged bonused hull, faction mods etc. but cant find it atm. It was pretty good info if someone can find it.
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.24 14:31:00 - [33] Or you could try my Unprobable Tengu setup: Unprobable Tengu --
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.24 15:17:00 - [34] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 He cant, its bull**. You just wont get warpable hit. 1.08 sig:ss ratio is taking all implants/skills/ships/rigs/whatever into account. Yeah, he's bull**ting. Indeed, beware of target painting Angel rats, though. --
Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.24 15:19:00 - [35] Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 24/12/2010 15:20:41 I prefer to not use implants to reduce sig. For more DPS, you can use HAMs, but I prefer the range of HM. [Tengu, Unprobeable & Unstoppable] Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.24 15:44:00 - [36] Originally by: Tau Cabalander Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 24/12/2010 15:20:41 I prefer to not use implants to reduce sig. For more DPS, you can use HAMs, but I prefer the range of HM. [Tengu, Unprobeable & Unstoppable] Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I Warded Gravimetric Backup Cluster I Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Caldari Navy Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Interesting setup. But I'm not sure you should be fitting for both covops and missioning at the same time. Instead, you could use a covops setup to fly to your mission system undetected, dock, switch to your unprobable setup (with the mods and subsystems you brought along in your cargohold), and do your mission without the danger of getting invaded. In your current setup, you lose about 200 m/s in speed (= tank), and 261 DPS output (with all conceivable heavy missile implants and skills) isn't exactly a lot. Still, for a setup that doesn't require Talons, it's pretty good. --
Xituqtra	Posted - 2010.12.24 16:15:00 - [37] [Tengu, unprobable ] Gravimetric Backup Array II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pithum B-Type Medium Shield Booster ECCM - Gravimetric II ECCM - Gravimetric II Photon Scattering Field II Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet 10MN MicroWarpdrive Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Heavy Missile Prototype Cloaking Device I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir get the mwd cloack trick down to an art cause otherwise you will get ganked at the gates
Samuel Crowe	Posted - 2010.12.24 17:13:00 - [38] [Tengu, Unprobable Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field ECCM - Gravimetric II ECCM - Gravimetric II ECCM - Gravimetric II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay What we use in 0.0. Cap stable, over 500 dps with t1 missiles and no implants and unprobable and a tank that is hard to beat even with the Angel omni damage. "No cloak" I hear you say. That's correct we use a Co-ops travel fit and keep the necessary subsystem/mods in the cargo. Only take missions in a system with a station refit and have a very reliable instaundock. Just watch out for nasty Angel frigates that paint or minmatar if you do those as well. T2 high damage missiles increase the sig as well. These are the reasons I opt for a Halo set instead of te crystal sets my buddies favour. This has been tested on SISI in all scenarios with a maxed skilled Co-ops pilot with an implant set and unless you are painted it is impossible to probe.
Khalia Nestune Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2010.12.25 16:54:00 - [39] [Tengu, lowsec] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers 6x Heavy Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Heavy Missile) Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier 2x ECCM - Gravimetric II 3x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Nanofiber Internal Structure II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II -- Lowsec fitting. Low align time (~4.4 seconds) for getting out from undocks and at gates. Cap stable, 301 dps omni tank; 150 EM (swap for an EM resist), 753 thermal, 502 kinetic, 301 explosive. Needs a Talon set to be unprobeable. 740 dps with Scourge Fury @ L5 and implants. 592 dps with other Fury; 462 with regular missiles (572 kinetic). 575m/s.
Svetdana	Posted - 2010.12.25 18:57:00 - [40] Edited by: Svetdana on 25/12/2010 19:02:20
Khalia Nestune Honorless Internet Jerks	Posted - 2010.12.25 18:59:00 - [41] Missions, not anoms. Tasty LP in lowsec missions.
Morag Ondr	Posted - 2010.12.28 20:07:00 - [42] Here is some eft warrioring. I have no practical experience with these setups. [loki-unprobe_FC_scout_logi] Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor Loki Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Caldari Navy Co-Processor Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Capacitor Power Relay II Warded Ladar Backup Cluster I Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Command Processor I Command Processor I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Small Tractor Beam I Medium S95a Partial Shield Transporter Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Zainou 'Gypsy' KMB-75, Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' AY-2,'Squire' CC8,Skirmish Warfare Mindlink No fleet:Signature=130, Ladar=136.3, 5 tick cov op align, 12085 kin FC:Signature=93.4, Ladar=136.3, 4 tick cov op align, 14386 exp ___________________________________________________ [tengu-unprobe_dmg_gurista] Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Gistum B-Type Medium Shield Booster Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II,Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' CY-2, Zainou 'Snapshot' ZMH2000, Zainou 'Deadeye' ZMA1000, Zainou 'Deadeye' ZMS1000, Zainou 'Deadeye' ZMM1000 No fleet:Signature=206, Grav=194.8, 5 tick align. 12764 em Loki_FC:Signature=148, Grav=194.8, 4 tick align, 14718 em 784 reload dps, 493 sustained vs gurista, 644m/s mobility, 756 logi vs gurista Hope to hear how things are working out for op.
Bakkachan Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.28 20:54:00 - [43] Originally by: HeliosGal heres a hint to the unprobale guys , i can infact scan u down it does require a fully rigged and maxed skills on a t3 legion but i can get supposdely unprobable tengus. So just a warning nothing is impossible Good luck with that! End of line
Zilabeth Vomarr	Posted - 2010.12.30 19:52:00 - [44] Originally by: Derekian [Tengu, New Setup 1 copy 1] Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Shield Boost Amplifier II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner ECCM - Gravimetric II ECCM - Gravimetric II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers You need a full set of talons/LG+lv5 subsystem You can use Scourge fury missiles, giving 711-750 dps. The ship has a 3 second allign time, which is fairly fast. The inertia stab (USE LOCAL HULL) subsystem and prop lets it allign fast. its the KING of blitz missions, as it alligns faster then frigates. It is unprobeable. havent lost one for years. Dropping this into EFT show a DPS of 565 with L5 skills. How do you get 711-750 from it?

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