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RazorRaven
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Posted - 2010.12.09 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: RazorRaven on 09/12/2010 22:57:42
So, I was looking for decent tengu fit that is imune to probes but I am not shure what is right combination. I plan to use it for L4 missions in 0.0 for pirat fractions, still looking for home system. But I want to be prepeared and correct my skilling plan.
From what I know i shuldn't use drones or rage missiles for increased signature radius.
I understand whitch sub-systems tu use and high slots are obvious (more launchers = good thing). But I am not shure about meds, low and rigs.
I understand that faction AB is needed for speed tanking.
Different setups would be apriciated, with implants, or without, cheeper fits, expencive. Shut and tnx ;)
[Tengu, unprobable - strip]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
rigs?
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Moneyhungryhoe
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Posted - 2010.12.09 23:19:00 -
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2 eccm in the mids, 1 in the lows, talon set iirc. So what that it's unprobable. Any pew pew gang with a single working braincell between them will try to catch you at the gates instead.
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2010.12.09 23:45:00 -
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As above except a Talon set is not necessary.
Remaining Lows: 2 CN BCUs, 1 DC II; or 3 CN BCUs
Remaining Mids: 1 AB, 1 med Deadspace Booster (Gistii B-Type iirc), 2 rat-specific hardeners; or, iso the 2 hardeners, 1 hardener and 1 shield boost amp
Rigs: 2 Rigors and 1 to taste (CCC for me)
Imps: to taste; I'd suggest DPS and/or shield
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Khalia Nestune
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.12.10 02:58:00 -
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With a LG Talon set (not that expensive), L5 skills in subsystems, and two T2 ECCM modules, you will not be probable.
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Derekian
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.10 04:44:00 -
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[Tengu, New Setup 1 copy 1]
Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
ECCM - Gravimetric II
ECCM - Gravimetric II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers
You need a full set of talons/LG+lv5 subsystem
You can use Scourge fury missiles, giving 711-750 dps.
The ship has a 3 second allign time, which is fairly fast. The inertia stab (USE LOCAL HULL) subsystem and prop lets it allign fast. its the KING of blitz missions, as it alligns faster then frigates.
It is unprobeable. havent lost one for years.
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carbomb
Super Team Munkey
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Posted - 2010.12.10 09:58:00 -
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i had a fit using talons but they were bugged. They gave a negative sensor strength coupled with the dissolution sequencer (sub on lvl 5). 2 eccm's and talons should make you unprobeable but i was getting a sensor strength of around 76. I am unaware as to whether they fixed this issue. The above fit is perfectly fine although i would swap the low fric for another missile or ccc rig. If you have a scout its all the agility u will need.
If talons are still broke you only need to replace one of the low slots with a grav backup array. (make sure to not have talons plugged in if they are bugged as all the backups in the world wont help you be unprobeable as they will actually reduce your sensor strength but as i said, only if they are still broken, i've not bothered with them since so dont really know their status)
Easiest way to check ur unprobeable is to take ur sig, divide it by ur sensor strength. if the result is under 1.08 then u should be unprobeable. the lower the number the better. i currently run at 0.806 on my tengu. Nobody has ever got close to scanning me down.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.12.10 10:39:00 -
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You really do want the hg talons if you are dedicated carebear since it lets you use fury missile while remaining unprobeable. I had same problems with the lg talons not being reliable.
A set of low grade halos is very cheap, helps you tank and will let you fit 2 x mid slot eccm and you don't need the low slot one (fit another bcu or some nano mod). I use them myself since I swap out the mission runner to loki unprobeable booster for pvp.
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Derekian
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.10 10:42:00 -
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nah. my extra computer is used in jita or a second mission runner to increase isk/hour.
Ive warped past interceptors many times, and i havent been cought. Even if you have a scout, how are you going to get past the camp?
More important to me is isk/hour. They can camp the gate, ill go right past it anyways.
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Traska Gannel
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Posted - 2010.12.10 14:43:00 -
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You specify L4 in 0.0 space ...
Yes you will be unprobeable ... but bubbles will stop you dead in your tracks in 0.0. Bubbles on station, bubbles on gates ... bubbles on the other side of the gates from your mission agent :) ... decent pirates will know you (and others) are running missions and unless you are extremely careful ... preferably with a scout ... they will eventually catch you so keep that in mind :)
(They might even anchor some mobile bubbles just to be inconvenient :) ).
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Rakija13
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Posted - 2010.12.10 14:54:00 -
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You guys are great, tnx. Many useful info's.
At this point I pretty much know the right combo for myself.
Tnx for warning also, but I will do missions with alt in system with mostly blue people and don't plan to do missions outside the home system. So no warping gates.. I am just a guy who likes to protect his investments. ;)
All future ideas are also welcomed and I plan to post my experiences as soon as I start running missions.
I just don't want to spend whole time on scanner looking for probes. ;)
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.12.10 14:58:00 -
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Get alt in scouting/boosting t3 and pump his standings too - so you will be able to decline "bad" missions. Also from my experience with tengu i know, that you WANT to use fury hmls so hg sensor strenght implants are pretty good idea.
Btw dont forget to avoid missions with target painter spam.
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SHK7 Fiction
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Posted - 2010.12.10 15:05:00 -
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I've been very interested in doing this myself for the past months now, the thing that you have to consider is that even tho you are not probeable, the wrecks around you are. And also, I believe the standard of operation for this type of venture is to have a cloaked scout at the entrance of your mission so you can have the gate on audio and be out as soon as someone even tries to come in... (when they scan down your wrecks and warp to they will end up at the acc. gate).
/please discuss
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Derekian
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.10 15:42:00 -
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They cant probe your wrecks.
My average mission completion time currently is 8.3 minutes.
Thats 3 minutes traveling and 5.3 minutes shooting stuff. Its not easy to catch me :)
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Zarbane
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Posted - 2010.12.10 20:23:00 -
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8.3 Minutes to do a L5? Never done a L5 before but I assume you don't have to kill everything in order to finish most of them?
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Derekian
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.10 23:50:00 -
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Low sec lv 4 missions.
lv 5 agents have bad LP/isk conversion
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Khalia Nestune
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.12.11 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Khalia Nestune on 11/12/2010 00:30:49
 Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
You really do want the hg talons if you are dedicated carebear since it lets you use fury missile while remaining unprobeable. I had same problems with the lg talons not being reliable.
A set of low grade halos is very cheap, helps you tank and will let you fit 2 x mid slot eccm and you don't need the low slot one (fit another bcu or some nano mod). I use them myself since I swap out the mission runner to loki unprobeable booster for pvp.
nevermind, pebkac
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Khalia Nestune
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.12.11 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Khalia Nestune on 11/12/2010 01:00:30
nevermind, yet again, bad math
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Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2010.12.11 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rakija13
don't plan to do missions outside the home system.
If your home system is busier than the surrounding systems, missions will be in the surrounding quiet systems FAR more often.
Originally by: SHK7 Fiction
even tho you are not probeable, the wrecks around you are.
Newp :)
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All generalisations are false - Discuss.
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Efraya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.11 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Derekian
Low sec lv 4 missions.
lv 5 agents have bad LP/isk conversion
Yea, sure they do.....
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Derekian
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.12 15:11:00 -
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Yes. If you are a seasoned mission runner, you will realise lv 5 missions are always with corps with bad LP stores.
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RazorRaven
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Posted - 2010.12.14 13:46:00 -
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tnx for input ;)
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Terrorform
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.14 23:05:00 -
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Saw this thread, so figured I would post here, rather than open a new topic in Q&A. Hope I'm not thread hijacking (OP looks like his original query was answered)
I can't get my head around why using an ECCM II would help lower your sig radius / make you undetectable...even though I know you guys are right, ofc :)
The show info button describes the module as such:
"A secondary electronic array that provides a significant boost to sensor strength for a short time. (eg, it boosts your sensor strength....how does that help?)
Penalty: Using more than one type of this module or similar modules that affect the same attribute on the ship will be penalized."
I would have thought I needed an Electronic Counter Measure instead....
Also, somebody somewhere (can't find the post) mentioned there was some ratio of sig radius to sensor strength that you had to hit to avoid being probable. Can anybody link me that or explain that too? It's all very well knowing what modules that I need to fit but I like to understand why I am fitting them too, and, as mentioned, can't get my head around this.
Thanks.
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Destamon
Azure Freelancers
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Posted - 2010.12.15 00:11:00 -
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Check the last paragraph of the sixth post for the answer to your question, Terrorform.
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Terrorform
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.15 00:56:00 -
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Cool, not sure how I missed that. My bad.
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Barrak
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.12.18 23:40:00 -
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Hi,
I have never flown a Tengu before, so please be gentle with me.
May I ask how the tank deals with the incoming damage? I normaly fly highsec L4's and even with my decent skills, the CNR cap needs topping up quite a bit - and that can clear a mission fairly fast (Very high missile skills).
The fits I have been playing with show the Tengu to have a very small tank, albeit with high resists.
I'm just curious as to how these missions can be completed so fast with a ship that is designed more for hiding than for damage.
Also... May I ask (I did start a thread on this but it is attracting the wrong kind of attention). Are these setups (more damage orientated) effective in standard highsec L4's?
My skills for this type of setup - shields and missiles is very good.... so, on paper (which I know is not where the game is played) I should be pretty strong with this ship.
Regards
Barrak
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Khalia Nestune
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2010.12.22 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: carbomb
i had a fit using talons but they were bugged. They gave a negative sensor strength coupled with the dissolution sequencer (sub on lvl 5). 2 eccm's and talons should make you unprobeable but i was getting a sensor strength of around 76.
I did some experimentation and research on this issue with the Low-grade Talons.
First of all, removing the Low-grade Talon Alpha fixed part of the problem - I was able to get ECCMs to start giving bonuses.
The second part of the problem is that it appears that when ECCM is turned on, the Tengu 15%/level sensor strength bonus is applied BEFORE the +1 from each implant is factored in.
For example:
Tengu has base 20 sensor strength. With LG Talon Beta, Gamma, Delta and Epsilon, you should have a +4 to gravimetric strength => 24 sensor strength.
With L5 Caldari Electronics, 5*.15=>75% bonus. 24*1.75 => 42 sensor strength. This is what you'll actually see in the client; it's working correctly here.
Now enable a ECCM - Gravimetric II; it has a 96% bonus. So, 42 * 1.96 => 82.3 sensor strength. This is not what you see in the client. Instead you get 78.
Why 78? Well, let's say you start with your base ship 20 strength. Then BEFORE implants, add the L5 skills 20 * 1.75 => 35. Then add implants (+4) => 39. Then add the ECCM bonus - 39 * 1.96 => 76.4.
CCP has a bug in how the LG Talon implants are factored in when ECCM is used (or other sensor-strength boosters?)
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.12.23 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Barrak
I'm just curious as to how these missions can be completed so fast with a ship that is designed more for hiding than for damage.
Also... May I ask (I did start a thread on this but it is attracting the wrong kind of attention). Are these setups (more damage orientated) effective in standard highsec L4's?
Tengu needs less tank because it's smaller and faster, therefore it takes less damage from missiles.
Also because it's smaller and faster than a BS it can keep higher transversal vs. turrets and is harder to hit.
I used to use a legion with a 260 DPS tank to do L4s and the only time it was in danger was if webbed, once all the webbers are dead it could tank the entire aggro of missions such as Pirate invasion because almost nothing could hit it.
Also because the Tengu is using medium missiles it does full damage to cruisers / BCs, and much more damage to frigs than BS sized missiles.
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SabotNoob
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Posted - 2010.12.23 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: carbomb
Easiest way to check ur unprobeable is to take ur sig, divide it by ur sensor strength. if the result is under 1.08 then u should be unprobeable. the lower the number the better. i currently run at 0.806 on my tengu. Nobody has ever got close to scanning me down.
So, if you're under 1.08, you are absolutely 100% unprobeable? Or could you still be probed down by someone with Level 5 skills in probing?
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.12.23 23:54:00 -
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If its under 1.08 you are absolutely unprobeable. Even if prober is using virtue implants.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.24 06:41:00 -
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heres a hint to the unprobale guys , i can infact scan u down it does require a fully rigged and maxed skills on a t3 legion but i can get supposdely unprobable tengus. So just a warning nothing is impossible
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