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Eric Garvin
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.
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Caeltrayian
Reliables Inc
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:29:00 -
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I doubt that's the only reason, I'm sure there are alts in there bumping up the prices as well. The prices will continue to go up as long as you have players spending ISK to get them. Want to help fight Macro users? stop buying plex, as i'm sure macro users are selling those to gain ISK as well as normal players. I could be wrong, but then i don't really care either way so...
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:39:00 -
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Hoarding plays a part, probably quite major if you're to interpret the last QEN.
A very simple solution is to limit PLEX ownership to x number of tokens per account (or even character if you want to be lenient). Doubt it'll implemented however as CCP's been fairly laissez-faire about the whole thing, in addition to having an interest in keeping it as high as feasible.
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Tornan
Minmatar
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:39:00 -
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as isk becomes more abundenet and easier to get because of the macroes valuing it less they will just throw it around and buy what ever they want thereby creating inflation.
Its not just miners the drone regions are loaded down with macro ratters
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Kalle Demos on 10/12/2010 13:45:27
Plex prices are dropping, the prices went ******edly high WHEN microtransaction rumours ran wild, pretty much the day CCP said no to microtransactions the prices started to drop fast.
GTC was about 300 mil for 30 days, CCP change it so you could only get the 60 day ones.
Clearly botters control the price of plex & gtc, the price has always somewhat been in the same range :P
E- Guy from rawr, it isnt just drones, I am sure if you looked hard enough you will see nc do it too as well as sc
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Clone 1
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:57:00 -
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I play this game only through plex and I can tell you, the higher the cost of the plex the better it is for eve-online and worse it is for the macros. It makes it harder for them to make real money.
The higher the isk return for plex, the more likely someone will sell a plex to get isk rather than use a isk seller.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.10 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tornan
as isk becomes more abundenet and easier to get because of the macroes valuing it less they will just throw it around and buy what ever they want thereby creating inflation.
Its not just miners the drone regions are loaded down with macro ratters
All of 0.0 is infested with macros, your own space not excluded.
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.12.10 14:08:00 -
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They are not just high because of that, they are high because its so damned easy to make ISK in EVE for those multiple account people and the sort of money wormholes kick out. Where else is a 1 billon ISK + ship standard for all ops for all players.
All I read about in the PVE parts of the game is how you can make XXXXXXXXXXXXX amount of ISK per hour AFK'ing.
Prices right now are what I'd consider semi-reasonable.
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Caldari Citizen20090217
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Posted - 2010.12.10 14:53:00 -
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RMT ISK accounts are a large part of it tho. Iirc PLEX prices dropped significantly after Unholy Rage removed all these accounts.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.12.10 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Eric Garvin
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high.
Reality check ... there are 2000 PLEX traded in Jita alone, daily!
Doesn't really matter if you throw in a few thousand additional PLEX per month for botters.
But what keeps the price high is that the people who buy from RMT guys (illegally) steal the real money from CCP. If they would buy a PLEX instead and sell it on the EVE-market for ISK (legally) we would have more PLEX available, more supply and thus lower prices.
Punish people who buy from RMT harder!
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Wartech2
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Posted - 2010.12.10 19:24:00 -
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CCP stop macro users!
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Julian Assagne
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Posted - 2010.12.10 19:32:00 -
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Cry moar, i for one Welcome these High Prices  (me selling plex to general whiners like you)
-Julian Assagne
CEO of EVELeaks
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.12.10 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Clone 1
I play this game only through plex and I can tell you, the higher the cost of the plex the better it is for eve-online and worse it is for the macros. It makes it harder for them to make real money.
The higher the isk return for plex, the more likely someone will sell a plex to get isk rather than use a isk seller.
in terms of percents, +/-100m (even 200m) in plex price hardly makes a difference to a 23/7 macro
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Rex Garvin
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Posted - 2010.12.11 06:32:00 -
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CCP stop macro users!!
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.12.11 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Clone 1
I play this game only through plex and I can tell you, the higher the cost of the plex the better it is for eve-online and worse it is for the macros. It makes it harder for them to make real money.
The higher the isk return for plex, the more likely someone will sell a plex to get isk rather than use a isk seller.
in terms of percents, +/-100m (even 200m) in plex price hardly makes a difference to a 23/7 macro
Read his post again. Emphasis added.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.11 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Clone 1
I play this game only through plex and I can tell you, the higher the cost of the plex the better it is for eve-online and worse it is for the macros. It makes it harder for them to make real money.
The higher the isk return for plex, the more likely someone will sell a plex to get isk rather than use a isk seller.
in terms of percents, +/-100m (even 200m) in plex price hardly makes a difference to a 23/7 macro
Read his post again. Emphasis added.
*resists making comment about plankton again so soon after the previous one*
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.11 06:45:00 -
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Not to sound too contrary, but personally I love PLEX prices being high. The higher, the better, even. I mean, a 60 day PLEX costs $35 dollars. The more ISK I can squeeze out of one, the better. Sorry, but there's not just the perspective of the ingame people buying a PLEX to get playtime. Some folks, like me, simply need a little extra cash, every now and then, and I don't always have time to grind.
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Strrog
Caldari
Zero Excavations
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Posted - 2010.12.11 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: Strrog on 11/12/2010 06:51:08
730 or so mill per GTC was haning arround a year or so even before i quit EVE, so why you panicked by current pricing?
Imo the only poeple it can hurt probably are the high sec users, as in null you can get a mod worth one plex or bot rat, or bot mine... Its actually funny that botting in EVE is easier then botting in D2LOD XD.
Actually you can farm close to 200 mill a day doing level 4s, so for plex you need to waste say whole weekend... but of course nobody likes the grind...It looks that its pretty easy to get plex as it is and I am surpised that with bot ratters and plex char x-fer its still sitting at this price range. /shrug
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Christian Schneider
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Posted - 2010.12.11 07:07:00 -
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Due to the massive use of bots (or by other means) RMT guys seem to be able to get a lot of ISK for very little effort currently. that causes the amount of ISK which you can buy for 15$ to be high. The ISK value of a Plex is ALWAYS slightly lower than the amount of ISK that you can buy for 15$ from those RMT guys. If the amount of ISK that you can buy for 15$ increases Plex ISK value increases as well.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.12.11 09:28:00 -
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lol, I bet macros are the cause of 0.0 lag, too
... and it's all the tradebots that make Jita so laggy
... and Technetium is so expensive because bots inject too much ISK into the economy
... and T2 BPOs are unfair because the only way to get enough ISK to buy one is by botting
... and obviously Akita is the Queen of Botters because she knew that PLEX prices would rise.
Anyways... high PLEX price -> buying ISK via RMT less attractive (mind you, it will still be cheaper than PLEX but as always it's a risk to get banned vs cheaper price consideration).
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Strrog
Caldari
Zero Excavations
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Posted - 2010.12.11 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II
lol, I bet macros are the cause of 0.0 lag, too
... and it's all the tradebots that make Jita so laggy
... and Technetium is so expensive because bots inject too much ISK into the economy
... and T2 BPOs are unfair because the only way to get enough ISK to buy one is by botting
... and obviously Akita is the Queen of Botters because she knew that PLEX prices would rise.
Anyways... high PLEX price -> buying ISK via RMT less attractive (mind you, it will still be cheaper than PLEX but as always it's a risk to get banned vs cheaper price consideration).
Ya you would figure the bots in trading hubs as Jita but nothing was done about it.... comon its not that difficult to figure out a bot with few hundred orders updates each god damn 5 minutes CCP?
high PLEX price -> buying ISK via RMT less attractive ; sorry you lost me there for a moment
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Corcyrus Endymion
Caldari
Excessum Corporation
Excessum Gaming
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Posted - 2010.12.11 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Strrog
Originally by: Cyaxares II
lol, I bet macros are the cause of 0.0 lag, too
... and it's all the tradebots that make Jita so laggy
... and Technetium is so expensive because bots inject too much ISK into the economy
... and T2 BPOs are unfair because the only way to get enough ISK to buy one is by botting
... and obviously Akita is the Queen of Botters because she knew that PLEX prices would rise.
Anyways... high PLEX price -> buying ISK via RMT less attractive (mind you, it will still be cheaper than PLEX but as always it's a risk to get banned vs cheaper price consideration).
Ya you would figure the bots in trading hubs as Jita but nothing was done about it.... comon its not that difficult to figure out a bot with few hundred orders updates each god damn 5 minutes CCP?
high PLEX price -> buying ISK via RMT less attractive ; sorry you lost me there for a moment
The high plex price means that you get more isk/per euro for buying plexes with real money and then selling them in game. This means that buying a plex becomes more attractive compared to buying via RMT.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.12.11 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos
E- Guy from rawr, it isnt just drones, I am sure if you looked hard enough you will see nc do it too as well as sc
You imply drones are SC?
That alone is a reason to ignore everything you have ever written or said.
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Your Client
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Posted - 2010.12.11 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Your Client on 11/12/2010 10:41:39
what?
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Clone 1
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Posted - 2010.12.11 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Clone 1
I play this game only through plex and I can tell you, the higher the cost of the plex the better it is for eve-online and worse it is for the macros. It makes it harder for them to make real money.
The higher the isk return for plex, the more likely someone will sell a plex to get isk rather than use a isk seller.
in terms of percents, +/-100m (even 200m) in plex price hardly makes a difference to a 23/7 macro
Before GTC sales were introduced, 100mill isk was getting around $30, In 2006 100mil sold on ebay for approx $15, now today you can get approx 370mill for your legimitate plex/$15 (someone can correct me here if my plex/$ is incorrect) and that shows the trend. So today isk sellers are trying to sell 1bill isk for $25 or appox 600mill isk for $15, that is 12 times more isk than before gtcs were introduced. That is more than a few percent, that is sweet progress. An isk seller will have to mine 12 times longer, to get the same $ return than they would have before gtcs/plex.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.12.11 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 11/12/2010 10:41:24
Originally by: Your Client
You are confused...
The following is about what the old prices for a GTC were once:
30 Days = 175 mil
90 Days = 300 mil
This is atleast what i remember right before CCP switched to 60 day GTC. I may be giving a greater value on the GTC were worth, not more. ALSO remember, 30, 60, and 90 day PLEX were coexistant for some time after 60 days were introduced. The 60 days GTC heavily increased the price of the 30 and 90 days shortly after 60 days came out. I have never seen a 30 day plex for 300 mil.
I'll take 2 of what you're drinking.
gratz, you chose to misunderstand his statement.
He is talking about the last few weeks, you're talking about the last few years.
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Your Client
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Posted - 2010.12.11 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos
Edited by: Kalle Demos on 10/12/2010 13:45:27
Plex prices are dropping, the prices went ******edly high WHEN microtransaction rumours ran wild, pretty much the day CCP said no to microtransactions the prices started to drop fast.
GTC was about 300 mil for 30 days, CCP change it so you could only get the 60 day ones.
You are confused...
The following is about what the old prices for a GTC were once:
30 Days = 175 mil
90 Days = 300 mil
This is atleast what i remember right before CCP switched to 60 day GTC. I may be giving a greater value on the GTC were worth, not more. ALSO remember, 30, 60, and 90 day PLEX were coexistant for some time after 60 days were introduced. The 60 days GTC heavily increased the price of the 30 and 90 days shortly after 60 days came out. I have never seen a 30 day plex for 300 mil.
I'll take 2 of what you're drinking.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.12.11 10:42:00 -
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ahem... my timeline seems to be messed up. 
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Your Client
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Posted - 2010.12.11 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos
Edited by: Kalle Demos on 10/12/2010 13:45:27
GTC was about 300 mil for 30 days
Did you mean 30 Day PLEX? Not GTC?
OMFG if GTC went that low recently, i would of bought them ALL!!!11!
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Dirk Swan
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Posted - 2010.12.11 13:38:00 -
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CCP stop macro users!
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IndustrieJunky
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Posted - 2010.12.11 14:01:00 -
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CCP stop macro users!
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Mike TheMiner
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Posted - 2010.12.11 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Your Client
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Edited by: Kalle Demos on 10/12/2010 13:45:27
GTC was about 300 mil for 30 days
Did you mean 30 Day PLEX? Not GTC?
OMFG if GTC went that low recently, i would of bought them ALL!!!11!
i remember paying 250 for 30 day GTC's, im betting they were even cheaper than that.
In response to the OP i dont care about the rising prices, its the margin traders to blame alot of the time too, not that i care i wouldnt mine paying 1 bil per month, per account, still wouldnt dent my wallet.
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Joss56
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Posted - 2010.12.11 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Clone 1
I play this game only through plex and I can tell you, the higher the cost of the plex the better it is for eve-online and worse it is for the macros. It makes it harder for them to make real money.
The higher the isk return for plex, the more likely someone will sell a plex to get isk rather than use a isk seller.
/agree
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.12.11 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Clone 1
I play this game only through plex and I can tell you, the higher the cost of the plex the better it is for eve-online and worse it is for the macros. It makes it harder for them to make real money.
The higher the isk return for plex, the more likely someone will sell a plex to get isk rather than use a isk seller.
in terms of percents, +/-100m (even 200m) in plex price hardly makes a difference to a 23/7 macro
Read his post again. Emphasis added.
*resists making comment about plankton again so soon after the previous one*
single cell creatures don't have very big brains
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Foofad
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.11 18:22:00 -
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THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH
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William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.12.11 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Foofad
THE PLEX IS TOO DAMN HIGH
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Rhedea
BlackWing Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.11 21:35:00 -
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I sold 4 for 390 each I feel sorry for those who don't price it high enough to squeeze the market till it squeals, just love the emo tears in this post.
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Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
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Posted - 2010.12.11 23:32:00 -
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I know the nerdrage about botters is incredibly high right now, but don't forgot it is an item on the market that can be manipulated.
Add in to the fact that people who buy them usually NEED to buy them to play the game means you have a lot of leeway to raise the prices.
Ah screw it, its GD afterall... OMFG LIKE OMFG BAN BOTZ OMFG
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Rat Mcgee
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Posted - 2010.12.12 07:27:00 -
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CCP needs to stop macro miners!
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar
Scarey Contractors
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Posted - 2010.12.12 12:51:00 -
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I'm sure the real world economy and the value of the real money spent to buy the game time cards has nothing at all to do with how they are being valued in game
After all when 30$ can only halfway fill a tank rather than mostly fill it people are not going to adjust the value of things they buy to sell in game a bit higher.
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Shadow Nebulae
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Posted - 2010.12.12 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.
QFT
Anyone who thinks that macroplayers would actually bring ANY real currency to CCP is idiot. They create free trials and turn them into real accounts with PLEX. They keep the farming going with PLEX.
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.12.12 14:36:00 -
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lol @ the people that think macro miners are to blame for the high price of PLEX.
The margin traders have more to do with the price than the macros do, if PLEX appear cheap on the market, they are snapped up and resold at a higher price.
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Lex Alandar
Q Division 5
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Posted - 2010.12.12 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Nebulae
Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.
QFT
Anyone who thinks that macroplayers would actually bring ANY real currency to CCP is idiot. They create free trials and turn them into real accounts with PLEX. They keep the farming going with PLEX.
Anyone who doesn't realise that SOMEBODY had to pay for that plex from CCP is idiot. CCP still gets paid for people who fund their account with plex, just indirectly, by the people who sell the plex. Farmers/macros may not pay, but that doesn't mean CCP gets shorted. I mean, that's the whole freakin point of the GTC system.
Get your facts straight.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.12.12 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
lol @ the people that think macro miners are to blame for the high price of PLEX.
The margin traders have more to do with the price than the macros do, if PLEX appear cheap on the market, they are snapped up and resold at a higher price.
Replace PLEX with anything that sells on the market and this statement retains some truth, plenty of people are happy to buy under priced items for any number of reasons that don't always include reselling them.
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Shadow Nebulae
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Posted - 2010.12.12 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Shadow Nebulae on 12/12/2010 15:54:58
Edited by: Shadow Nebulae on 12/12/2010 15:54:23
Originally by: Lex Alandar
Originally by: Shadow Nebulae
Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.
QFT
Anyone who thinks that macroplayers would actually bring ANY real currency to CCP is idiot. They create free trials and turn them into real accounts with PLEX. They keep the farming going with PLEX.
Anyone who doesn't realise that SOMEBODY had to pay for that plex from CCP is idiot. CCP still gets paid for people who fund their account with plex, just indirectly, by the people who sell the plex. Farmers/macros may not pay, but that doesn't mean CCP gets shorted. I mean, that's the whole freakin point of the GTC system.
Get your facts straight.
The someone is the legit player. Not the macro. They do not pay anything to CCP.
You fail to understand that GTC's aren't purchased from retail sellers by need of macros. They are purchased for the reason that is the ISK need for legit player.
Macros create the larger demand, wich is pushing the price upwards.
Without this increased demand made by macros, the supply of GTC's would still be the same. Infact it could be even larger due you would need more GTC's to get let's say 10 B ISK. And that would feed the deflation.
Macros don't affect into GTC supply or CCP's monthly income. PLEX or GTC price doesn't matter. CCP gets the same amount of real money no matter what the ISK price for PLEX or GTC is.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.12.12 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Nebulae
Edited by: Shadow Nebulae on 12/12/2010 15:54:58
Edited by: Shadow Nebulae on 12/12/2010 15:54:23
Originally by: Lex Alandar
Originally by: Shadow Nebulae
Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.
QFT
Anyone who thinks that macroplayers would actually bring ANY real currency to CCP is idiot. They create free trials and turn them into real accounts with PLEX. They keep the farming going with PLEX.
Anyone who doesn't realise that SOMEBODY had to pay for that plex from CCP is idiot. CCP still gets paid for people who fund their account with plex, just indirectly, by the people who sell the plex. Farmers/macros may not pay, but that doesn't mean CCP gets shorted. I mean, that's the whole freakin point of the GTC system.
Get your facts straight.
The someone is the legit player. Not the macro. They do not pay anything to CCP.
You fail to understand that GTC's aren't purchased from retail sellers by need of macros. They are purchased for the reason that is the ISK need for legit player.
Macros create the larger demand, wich is pushing the price upwards.
Without this increased demand made by macros, the supply of GTC's would still be the same. Infact it could be even larger due you would need more GTC's to get let's say 10 B ISK. And that would feed the deflation.
Macros don't affect into GTC supply or CCP's monthly income. PLEX or GTC price doesn't matter. CCP gets the same amount of real money no matter what the ISK price for PLEX or GTC is.
Correct the party buying a plex in game doesn't pay ccp anything but they do redeem the plex which is a 'guarantee' to service for 30 days and removing it helps raise the price of plex in game, more demand of plex in game drives that price up.
Outside buyers of GTC will get more isk for their sold plex with larger demand ingame, smaller demand means more plex pile up and their isk price decreases. However less isk for PLEX makes RMT more attractive in the $ for isk conversion rate, which might effect the purchase of GTC for CCP, so in a way botting helps CCP by removing PLEX ingame and making GTC more competitive with RMT isk.
Also when bots get banned they lose out on the remainder of their 30 day PLEX used to activate/maintain the account so CCP gets to 'profit' based on the gametime they didn't have to deliver, they've already gotten paid when it was bought but when they ban an account using PLEX they got out of the 'promise' of the full 30days the PLEX represented.
So I don't see it as clear cut as, macros don't affect CCP's income, that PLEX price (ingame isk) doesn't matter, CCP's income from GTC does has some relevance to what the return of real money to isk conversion rate is otherwise everyone would just use GTC and RMT wouldn't have much if any business selling isk. People, one would think, buy RMT isk because they don't know any better, can't for whatever reason buy GTC/subscribe, or are primarily driven by the real money to isk conversion rate.
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Clone 1
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Posted - 2010.12.12 16:52:00 -
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This thread is special.
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Dirk Swan
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Posted - 2010.12.13 00:18:00 -
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Keep up the good work Eric!
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Dirk Swan
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Posted - 2010.12.14 07:15:00 -
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Thank you macro users for causing higher PLEX prices!
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Matt Douglass
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Posted - 2010.12.14 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Julian Assagne
Cry moar, i for one Welcome these High Prices (me selling plex to general whiners like you)
-Julian Assagne
CEO of EVELeaks
dude how ***gotish is that ? your nick and 'eve leaks' thing ?
Damnit dude that's just totally rediculous. You MUST be 12 years old or something.
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2010.12.14 11:10:00 -
[51]
gotaa love the irony behind botters buying the plexes to fund their bots to make the isk to sell RMT on ebay.
Legitamising the only factor of 'illegal' botting ccp care about.
The dumb ebay isk buying newbs get banned and the RMT bott happy funkwits get a free ride to their cash cow.
I do hope this was the way ccp planned it *tinfoil fail moment*
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Rat Mcgee
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Posted - 2010.12.15 09:59:00 -
[52]
CCP please kill all these macro users. I cant afford to buy PLEX because of them.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.15 10:55:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 15/12/2010 10:55:59
Originally by: Rat Mcgee
CCP please kill all these macro users. I cant afford to buy PLEX because of them.
You may be right.
I was in the newb channel with an alt and some RMT spammed that you get 1 billion ISK for the same price as a PLEX cost in EVE now. I'm sure people will sell more plexes if they can't buy ISK that way anymore so there would be more supply --> prices will drop.
Next to that, macro users won't have ISK to buy plexes anymore so the demand will also drop so again, prices wil drop.
If people won't get a lot of ISK for their plexes though, less will want to buy them from CCP. If you only get 50 million ISK for $17.50 it's far less attractive to buy them.
Not sure where the new supply/demand equilibrium will be.
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SargeantNekkid DDS
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Posted - 2010.12.15 11:27:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Clone 1
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Clone 1
I play this game only through plex and I can tell you, the higher the cost of the plex the better it is for eve-online and worse it is for the macros. It makes it harder for them to make real money.
The higher the isk return for plex, the more likely someone will sell a plex to get isk rather than use a isk seller.
in terms of percents, +/-100m (even 200m) in plex price hardly makes a difference to a 23/7 macro
Before GTC sales were introduced, 100mill isk was getting around $30, In 2006 100mil sold on ebay for approx $15, now today you can get approx 370mill for your legimitate plex/$15 (someone can correct me here if my plex/$ is incorrect) and that shows the trend. So today isk sellers are trying to sell 1bill isk for $25 or appox 600mill isk for $15, that is 12 times more isk than before gtcs were introduced. That is more than a few percent, that is sweet progress. An isk seller will have to mine 12 times longer, to get the same $ return than they would have before gtcs/plex.
Not really. You're going back to the days before:
1) Hulks/Orcas/etc. (i.e. back when supply was lower)
2) Cap ships (i.e. back when demand was lower)
Higher demand + higher supply = more volume. More volume + time = inflation.
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Captain Rex2010
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Posted - 2010.12.15 11:33:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.
That doesn't follow normal market trends, where high demand and plenty of supply should mean falling prices.
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Michwich
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Posted - 2010.12.15 11:45:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Michwich on 15/12/2010 11:53:01
Edited by: Michwich on 15/12/2010 11:51:34
Plex prices are a reflection of the state of the game. When things are going good plex will be cheap. Its like real life economics. When everyones buying and volume is high, sellers can afford to sell for cheap. When volume is low, (no ones buying) sellers can afford to sell high to make up for lack of volume. I know nothing about economics and its formulas, but this seems common sense to me. Correct me if im wrong.
EDIT
I shouldnt say this game economics is like real life, in real life supply is always limited, in this game CCP can materialize plex whenever it wants, therefore its unlimited. So we can safely say that whatever happens in real life economics regarding prices , just take the inverse and we have eve ecomomics. Plex prices arent high because of high demand and low supply, theyre high because of low demand and unlimited suply. If anything botters should drive the price down.
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Spc One
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.12.15 13:25:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Your Client
You are confused...
The following is about what the old prices for a GTC were once:
30 Days = 175 mil
90 Days = 300 mil
This is atleast what i remember right before CCP switched to 60 day GTC. I may be giving a greater value on the GTC were worth, not more. ALSO remember, 30, 60, and 90 day PLEX were coexistant for some time after 60 days were introduced. The 60 days GTC heavily increased the price of the 30 and 90 days shortly after 60 days came out. I have never seen a 30 day plex for 300 mil.
I'll take 2 of what you're drinking.
Not really.
I got a 30day GTC for 93mil before 90 days GTC's were removed.
So it was something like that back then:
30day GTC = 93mil
90day GTC = 270mil
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Krollin
Minmatar
Bi'Atch Inc
Warsmiths.
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Posted - 2010.12.15 13:51:00 -
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Imo Unholy Rage was a PR stunt, it is something that should happen on a more regular basis. This is not a new issue for EVE - its been around for years.
Mission, Mineral, rat and 0.0 Farmers all contribute to the market fluctuations - be it good or bad - looking at the GTC forum you can easily spot the stupidly named characters buying up the GTC's for their accounts.
These accounts play 23/7 - it can't be that hard to see how long a single account is online for and any character that is playing 23/7 for more than a few days is clearly being shared or being used for illegal EVE activities.
After a recent business trip to China I was shown a local paper, within it there were adverts asking for people to work for companies who pay anywhere from $15-$20 for 1billion ISK. These companies have huge facilities that are stacked with computers and they run 24/7 (Its not just EVE they do it too).
Its an industry wide problem and sadly there is little that can be done. We can gank them in high sec, invade their missions and generally annoy them, but since our time is limited on EVE they will always have the upper hand.
The answer - live with it and try and avoid buying contracts, PLEX, GTC from obvious farmer types - oh and ofc report all wrong doers to CCP so they can ban them 
Kro
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.12.15 14:21:00 -
[59]
Does anyone have a good explanation why the price level for implants has stayed roughly the same since Unholy Rage?
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Joss56
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.15 14:27:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Shadow NebulaeAnyone who thinks that macroplayers would actually bring ANY real currency to CCP is idiot. They create free trials and turn them into real accounts with PLEX. They keep the farming going with PLEX.[/quote
This is wy you should be abble to train equaly 3 char in the same account, if you want to boxx or farm at the same time then you have to purchase other accounts, but it should be much easy to find bots.
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Cupio Mortem
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Posted - 2010.12.15 14:30:00 -
[61]
CCP NEEDS TO STOP MACRO MINING!
...wait...
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Rat Mcgee
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Posted - 2010.12.17 12:21:00 -
[62]
Just to make sure you macro users missed this thread.
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Senghir
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2010.12.17 15:37:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because
People will pay it. Simple as that.
Don't like it? Don't buy it.
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Doddy
Burning Vendetta
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:20:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.
Your logic is quite brilliant, i mean the macro miners clearly spend more isk on plex than they sell to people who would otherwise buy plex. Clearly macros put plex prices up rather than down, and you are not at all an idiot.
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Doddy
Burning Vendetta
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:25:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Shadow Nebulae
Macros create the larger demand, wich is pushing the price upwards.
No they don't, enough people buying isk from macros would instead buy it through plex - that would increase demand and push the price up. RMT is actually a downward pressure on plex prices as it cuts demand.
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chrisss0r
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:38:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Doddy
Originally by: Shadow Nebulae
Macros create the larger demand, wich is pushing the price upwards.
No they don't, enough people buying isk from macros would instead buy it through plex - that would increase demand and push the price up. RMT is actually a downward pressure on plex prices as it cuts demand.
lol. If you can't buy isk by rmt you need to buy plex for cash and then sell the plex for isk.
killing rmt wouldn't cut demand it would increase supply.
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Stu Pendisdick
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:58:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Foofad
THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH
Said the man who pays no rent.
That campaign was classic NY Politics.
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Bodrul
Caldari
Future Dynamics
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Posted - 2010.12.17 17:02:00 -
[68]
why do people moan about GTC costs in terms of ISK,
when it costs people real money for GTCs and Plex in the first place
if you dont like the price do what the rest of us do,
pay with money for GTCs or if you dont have money
do what the rest of us do get a JOB
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Researched BPO Lottery (Using Darkness)
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Dirk Swan
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Posted - 2010.12.25 06:23:00 -
[69]
We need to get rid of all macro miners!!
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.12.25 06:30:00 -
[70]
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because it's so frakin' easy to make ISK.
Duuh.
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Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.25 06:41:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217
RMT ISK accounts are a large part of it tho. Iirc PLEX prices dropped significantly after Unholy Rage removed all these accounts.
Thank you for pointing that out
The real reason PLEX prices are high is that the real money demand for them is so low due to the fact that rmt prices are always lower than the price for a PLEX. The harder it is to macro, the more demand for isk will be supplied by PLEX's. I suggest CCP postpone Incarna one last time (unless planning to inact anti-botting game mechanics with Incarna) in order to rid ourselves of these botters. The demand for isk won't ever go away, but the supply from botters can 
Death of botters= lower PLEX price for everyone
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Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.12.25 07:00:00 -
[72]
how about you get a job and pay for the game with dollars or euros?
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Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
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Posted - 2010.12.25 07:01:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Royaldo
how about you get a job and pay for the game with dollars or euros?
Playing this game for free using PLEX makes CCP more money
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Musashi IV
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Posted - 2010.12.27 14:02:00 -
[74]
Just in case you macro mining scum missed this.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2010.12.27 14:22:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Jenn aSide on 27/12/2010 14:25:12
I think I wanna start a corp named "The PLEX is to damn HIGH", but I'd have to grow a beard and wear gloves. If elected, I can promise every capsuleer Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2010.12.27 16:40:00 -
[76]
I wonder if making PLEX transportable had a small effect on this.
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Pheusia
Gallente
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.27 17:17:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Akita T
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because it's so frakin' easy to make ISK.
Duuh.
Take your unwelcome truth and get out. This is a scapegoating thread, dambit.
Signed,
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Musashi IV
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Posted - 2011.01.22 12:35:00 -
[78]
I had to look 59 pages to find this but it was worth it.
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Jennifer Starling
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.23 12:42:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Akita T
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because it's so frakin' easy to make ISK.
Duuh.
Mostly this.
Next to that they're not that high, when I saw a RMT advertizement in the rookie channel you could still get more ISK for your money. :p
And I doubt that the PLEX sellers are so unhappy about the prices atm. I mean: who would spend $15 for just 50mil ISK? |
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