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StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.11 09:45:00 - [1] First of all let me point out that I used to live in 0.0 and play the role of a battlefield scout. Providing infos on enemy fleet movements and "warp in" points sometimes at 5km from a enemy fleet. So I have a idea about how important cloaking is. Problem is that the way cloaking works now makes it easy to be abused, and yes i'm talking about the "AFK cloakers". Problem I have is someone entering a system, mwd-ing away from gate, hitting the cloak button and go to sleep. Although a valid tactic in killing the enemy industry I believe that is also a game killer, as it ruins other peoples gaming while some guy sleeps for 8h. Look at it this way: Right now as I am recovering from a inactive period I need to rat to buy plex. I can not rat because of "afk cloakers" that log in right after server starts and stay cloaked till next dt. We tried contacting them but they do not respond and do not know who they belong to as they are alts. In my opinion that is a game killer like causing lag for a enemy fleet so they load grid in 5h only to wakeup in a station :) or abusing other game mechanics. So i thought about it for a lil and come up with this 2 fixes: On short therm: Make the afk cloaking a illegal tactic. So that people can petition afk cloakers. It shouldn't be to hard to distinguish a afk cloaker from a guy been cloaked for w/e reason.(afk cloaker = dude cloaked for last 5h or so LOL) Yeah I know its not smthing great but better than nothing till a long therm fix will be up. On long therm: Make cloaking cycle like 2 or 3 minutes. Remove the auto repeat option from it. On last 30 sec a little red blinking txt appears on your screen similar to the self-destruct message telling you that you need to click button again to get you 2 (or 3 more minutes) of cloaking time or you decloak. Basically a refresh cloaking timer option. NOw I know some of you would say that it will be easy to make some boot to keep refreshing the cloaking timer. To aid this, a gaming rule about using the cloak to disturb the peoples gaming should also be implemented. Well this is what i got so far. Feel free to pop in your ideas and comments.
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.11 10:36:00 - [2] OK genius think of it this way: What if ever guy in eve will make a afk cloaking alt??? And how is it PVP to cloak in a system and go afk for 23h. I have no problem getting overrun and steeped on. I have been before. Its the way of the game. But you ever do that or don't. You can not pvp afk. Cant you? Or maybe you one of them boot using guys and can LOL.
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.11 12:16:00 - [3] Originally by: Cecil Montague Originally by: StarCEO You can not pvp afk. Cant you? No you can't PvP while afk. So what is it about this person that isn't even at his/her keyboard that is so dangerous that you can't rat? Well you don't know when hes there and pops a cyno on you thats what it is so dangerous. thats what sops me from ratting and thats why its a game killer.
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.11 12:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Mag's Originally by: StarCEO Look at it this way: Right now as I am recovering from a inactive period I need to rat to buy plex. I can not rat because of "afk cloakers" that log in right after server starts and stay cloaked till next dt. We tried contacting them but they do not respond and do not know who they belong to as they are alts. So he's stopping you forming a fleet with friends, ratting in PvP ships and using stargates to jump in other systems? Sounds like he's hacking, you should petition it. Stop pretending to be dumb people might take you for real. We can not go in other systems as we're renting and this is our system. Next time when you don't know something ask don't try look smart by making a stupid remark. It doesn't work. Also pls stop posting here if you don't have a constructive comment. Thank you.
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.11 13:22:00 - [5] Originally by: AFK Master Originally by: StarCEO Originally by: Cecil Montague No you can't PvP while afk. So what is it about this person that isn't even at his/her keyboard that is so dangerous that you can't rat? Well you don't know when hes there and pops a cyno on you thats what it is so dangerous. thats what sops me from ratting and thats why its a game killer. So your issue is with cynos? No I was just saying that since he always logs in after dt and cloakes till next dt you never know when hes actually in front of computer ready to do damage.
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.11 13:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Mag's Originally by: StarCEO Originally by: Mag's So he's stopping you forming a fleet with friends, ratting in PvP ships and using stargates to jump in other systems? Sounds like he's hacking, you should petition it. Stop pretending to be dumb people might take you for real. We can not go in other systems as we're renting and this is our system. Next time when you don't know something ask don't try look smart by making a stupid remark. It doesn't work. Also pls stop posting here if you don't have a constructive comment. Thank you. So that leaves ratting with friends in PvP ships. Does it stop you doing that? P.S. It seems only I am pretending. Yeah ratting with friends in pvp ships "good" idea. But what if no one is online or if the dude gets in 20 guys on us. what we suppose to do? get a cta to go ratting? More and more it seems you're not pretending...
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.12 12:44:00 - [7] OK so I can understand the AFK cloaking's benefits but why is it valid by the game rules to use a game mechanic to stop other people from playing. So far best ideas I saw here are: Specially designed probes or a sov module / tower mod that lets you scan cloaked ships with like a 10 min scanning cycle. so if dude is active and part of a fleet op he'l move around and not be able to be scanned but if hes afk he'l get hit.
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.14 08:53:00 - [8] First: to those that pop up the psychological war argument: You're talking about that implemented in a game that people play for fun. Its like saying "I'm not making the game fun for you so you don't play thous I win". Second: If other options were open to us we would of went other way. Oh and: We have no issues with good old fights and getting hit. This is not about how hard 0.0 life is, it's about a game mechanic been abused and used to ruin other peoples gaming time. Look at it this way: If you need to sleep 8h a day and that is the time the enemy wakes up to play. How is it fair to use a game mechanic to ruin hes game time??? Go recruit people in other time zones and hit them every day 23/7 I have no issue with that but afk cloaking specially with no option to detect that cloaker shouldn't be a option.
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.14 15:14:00 - [9] Troll or not so far almost everyone that called me/my post noob or troll or w/e didn't have a valid argument on why EVE should keep AFK cloaking as a weapon / why CCP shouldn't change Cloaking except that they do it and it works. As for the good part in this matter I see good ideas that might actually work out. Just hope ccp's reading here :) Still so far best ideas here are the probe and/or tower mod cloaked ship scanner with like 10min scan results delay. And yes I can understand the possible abuse as in scanning someone cloaked that just entering the system but that can be fixed with some kind of timer (as in don't report anyone that entered after scanning started) or w/e.
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.15 17:55:00 - [10] we have adapt but this still doesn't make it right. YOu say 0.0 space shouldn't be free of risk, than how do you explain cloaking at ss. You'r arguments against my post can be very well turned around in my favor. Only reason you keep using them in this post its because you need afk cloaking as you are users not because you are right.
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.16 01:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Rek Seven I read the first post but forgive me for not reading the other. I have no problem with the idea of a cloak timer as long as I can stay permanently cloaked when I'm active. However, what happens if i need to go do something in RL? I just log off in space? Also, if you can make a macro for a miner or a ratter, why couldn't you do it to click a cloak button? Loging out in space is not a problem. Also this is just a idea and yes it can be exploited(thats why I said it would need to be supported by some game rule). Main benefits from this, is that other better ideas poped up here. :)
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.21 07:26:00 - [12] Well from a totally different perspective, If AFK cloaking is a valid tactic than CCP should also validate using a boot to make you isk while you're sleeping. Its basically same think. You either pvp afk or pve afk. So then maybe we can all make a AFK miner alt or mission runner corp and make isk in empire while a AFK cloaker "beats" us in 0.0.
StarCEO	Posted - 2010.12.21 11:45:00 - [13] lol dont really care what but if theres a button to "pvp" afk there should be one to mine and run missions.....
StarCEO	Posted - 2011.01.09 17:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Meeko Atari Originally by: Horizonist Edited by: Horizonist on 05/01/2011 16:19:45 To the OP: I mean no offence or disrespect when I say this, but if having a cloaker in local stops you from ratting, you should not be in nullsec at all. I know where you are coming from - my own alliance has had an AFK cloaker in our primary nullsec ratting systems (many of our people rat there, we do not hold sov though) for weeks on end now. Occasionally, said AFK cloaker pops out, and gets somebody who was careless. Why do you not see us raging over this? Because we know nullsec is nullsec. We know it is dangerous. The solution from our side is simply to get better at dealing with the dangers, and that should be your solution as well. If you are not willing to learn to cope with the hazards and perils of nullsec life, then you should not be living in nullsec in the first place. And no, AFK cloaking is not unfair. The pilot who owns that alt (I do not believe anyone AFK cloaks on their main) still has to pay monthly subscription, and a character sitting cloaked in space all day is rather limited in terms of how much ISK he/she can do. It hits them as well. Maybe not as much as it hits you, but it does. Come to terms with it - nullsec is null security space. It is unsafe and lawless. If you do not like that, the answer should probably be to leave nullsec alltogether. Alternatively, you could move to an area where a high concentration of players fly NRDS - Not Red Don't Shoot (such as upper Providence or Great Wildlands. We live in both). ^^ Well said man! Yes null sec shouldn't be safe so why is it safe for a afk cloaker to stay cloaked 23/7??? If its not safe for me that it shouldn't be for him either. Its a matter of balance and fair play. Its also a matter of a game tactic been accepted although the player is AFK. If that is legal than CCP should come up and officially accept all the boots and w/e programs afk miners, ratters and so on, w/e people are using. Even more there should be advanced auto pilot options for that so that people can AFK everything from mining to running missions, pi, ratting and so on and so on. Why is it fair to be a AFK pvp tactic and no other AFK occupations? And yes I'm back... was gone for a while. :)
StarCEO	Posted - 2011.01.23 19:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Magnus Orin Edited by: Magnus Orin on 12/01/2011 23:27:41 So you are saying you are afraid of someone who: a) is cloaked, and due to the mechanics of the game can neither shoot or even target you? b) is likely not even at their keyboards? You, and anyone in your corp/alliance do not deserve to live in 0.0 if this is how you feel. AFK cloaking is fine. They are the most harmless thing in 0.0 to be honest. If you do not know how to rat safely in 0.0, then you probably should not be there. WEll i'm only saying that once cloaked at a ss you're 100% safe. And if for me its not safe in 0.0 it shouldn't be safe for a cloaker neither. But you can turn it around how ever you like call me noob and everything. As I said before so far all that opposed my post and the anti cloaking ideas posted here are are "afk cloaking" users. Not one valid argument was presented here on why there should NOT be a anti cloaking mechanic other than "i'm using that and it works for me please ccp don't change it". So far still best ideas are anti cloaking probe or a tower mode with scan delay of like 10-20min or w/e.

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