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Sarah Kerrigen
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Posted - 2010.12.11 19:23:00 -
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Robotics cost too many iskies, help. How should I make it in high security? I dont want to go low security on this toon.
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Stoop Paz
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Posted - 2010.12.11 20:45:00 -
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You can make robotics on a plasma planet if your PI is trained up. All base materials are available only on Plasma, otherwise you need two planets to make the whole thing work
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Elizabeth Vecchi
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Posted - 2010.12.11 20:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Stoop Paz
All base materials are available only on Plasma,
Your statement is wrong, the base materials can be found on other planets.
Its just Plasma planets are unique in having them all
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Baltara
Caldari
Pax Emunio
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Posted - 2010.12.11 23:27:00 -
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I've been using a two planet solution for robotics since PI came out. One planet produces Mechanical Parts and the other produces Consumer Electronics. I transport the Mechanical Parts to the second planet where I also have a factory producing the Robotics.
The problem is that the high sec planets require so many extractors to keep the P1 factories full that there is no grid for much depth in the layout for P1 and P2 factories. The duty cycle of the P3 factory is very low, and the throughput in the system is less than satifying.
I've started toying with shorter extractor cycles (multiple 5 hour cycles instead of a lazy single 23 hour) and will soon reconfigure into a 3 planet solution, with the first 2 producing P1's (4 factories for 2 P1 products on each planet), and the third a designated factory planet to produce the P2's and P3's.
I should be able to double my output easily.
TL:DR version - You could produce robotics on one planet in low or null sec, but the low high sec extraction rates would result in a low numbers process.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2010.12.11 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Elizabeth Vecchi
Originally by: Stoop Paz
All base materials are available only on Plasma,
Your statement is wrong, the base materials can be found on other planets.
Its just Plasma planets are unique in having them all
No, his statement is correct, you're just misunderstanding it. Plasma planets are the only planet type that has all of the raw materials needed for robotics. Other planet types only have some. If you're trying to do a 1-planet operation manufacturing robotics, it'll need to be on a plasma planet. Otherwise you'll need to separate your operations and do some exporting/importing/hauling to move materials around for final assembly.
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Elizabeth Vecchi
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Posted - 2010.12.12 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin DeVries
Originally by: Elizabeth Vecchi
Originally by: Stoop Paz
All base materials are available only on Plasma,
Your statement is wrong, the base materials can be found on other planets.
Its just Plasma planets are unique in having them all
No, his statement is correct, you're just misunderstanding it. Plasma planets are the only planet type that has all of the raw materials needed for robotics. Other planet types only have some. If you're trying to do a 1-planet operation manufacturing robotics, it'll need to be on a plasma planet. Otherwise you'll need to separate your operations and do some exporting/importing/hauling to move materials around for final assembly.
Yeah yeah what ever... its his wording..
He should been clearer, as in like yours
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Vil Mahona
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Posted - 2010.12.12 01:40:00 -
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For Robotics I'd recommend a 5 planet setup. 1 planet for each P0 item that you are turning into a P1 on planet. Then of course export your P1's and move them to the 5th planet that you use as your P2/P3 producer. As your working in high sec you may even want a 2nd or 3rd toon produceing the P1's for the 5th planet. The P1 production will be your bottleneck in high sec. I've got a 5 planet setup in 0.0 that easily produces 225 robotics a day and I know I'm not optimal setup on things.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2010.12.12 04:40:00 -
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I wouldn't bother with robotics. With the new extractions rate on Sisi we can expect at least 30% decrease in price after patch goes live.
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Sarah Kerrigen
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Posted - 2010.12.12 07:04:00 -
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I think I found the best way to do it, using a multi-planet setup like others mentioned.
Instead of making consumer electronics, I have 3 planets making mechanical parts, and one factory planet making robotics. Mechanical parts are really expensive so I just sell some of them and buy consumer electronics from the market, and use those for my factory. It makes many more iskies that way and I go to jita a lot.
The replies helped thanks!
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Rezaa
Mercenary Cooperative Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.12.12 09:26:00 -
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I used to get all my robotics for free, untill CCCP changed it with this last update....................SO anoyed
Used to get 2-4K of them in 2 hours or so...............sucks
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Patri Andari
Caldari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.12.12 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rezaa
I used to get all my robotics for free, untill CCCP changed it with this last update....................SO anoyed
Used to get 2-4K of them in 2 hours or so...............sucks
I too lament the nerfing of space trucks. :(
Patri
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Caghji
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Posted - 2010.12.13 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: Caghji on 13/12/2010 05:30:25
Originally by: Sarah Kerrigen
Robotics cost too many iskies, help. How should I make it in high security? I dont want to go low security on this toon.
Producing robotics with PI is NOT FREE!
The robotics have a value
shovelling your freshly made PI robotics into a POS that is not giving you at least your fuel isk value in return is like shovelling robotics into a bin!!
In other words if your POS is not giving you enough isks to cover fuel costs its not worth having (in most cases)
My corp runs 11 POSs in low sec
3 corp members get paid to farm PI fuels for the POSs - payment to them is made weekly - Price is set at the start of every month - simple futures contract - they are responsible for getting the PI fuel to each of the POSs as well - costs are covered by what the POSs generate (and then some)
This allows players to generate an income from PI and allows to fix a variable price for a month.
The player that generates robotics uses the 5 planet set up mentioned above - hauling only required every 3 days or so
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.13 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Caghji
shovelling your freshly made PI robotics into a POS that is not giving you at least your fuel isk value in return is like shovelling robotics into a bin!!
In other words if your POS is not giving you enough isks to cover fuel costs its not worth having (in most cases)
POS's have other uses than producing isk.
However, you might want to consider a few things, first of all; I now have one of those annoying sigs.
second; you should probably move on to some more interesting things than reading this sig.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.12.13 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor
Originally by: Caghji
shovelling your freshly made PI robotics into a POS that is not giving you at least your fuel isk value in return is like shovelling robotics into a bin!!
In other words if your POS is not giving you enough isks to cover fuel costs its not worth having (in most cases)
POS's have other uses than producing isk.
If your POS is not making you ISK, yer doin it wrong.
Note I didn't say DIRECTLY making you ISK. If having a POS allows you to make more doin something else, it's still making ISK- namely, the difference between how much you'd make w/o the POS and how much you make with it.
*note- for the sake of this post, I'm ignoring the "I have a personal POS!" e-peen crowd.*
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Zifrian
Solar Nexus.
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2010.12.14 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
I wouldn't bother with robotics. With the new extractions rate on Sisi we can expect at least 30% decrease in price after patch goes live.
Hope this is true. In any case, more people making robotics = more supply => price goes down.
I really don't care how it happens :p
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