Originally by: g0ldfinger07

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Seemed fine to me.

Good Work CCP this game has no problems.

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Originally by: Levy Break

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~~~Goodfites~~~











Were not had.

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Originally by: CCP Oveur

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We. Will. Never. Leave. EVE.

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Originally by: Coastie SK

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Am i dead?

CCP <<

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Originally by: Headerman

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Guys, you wanna all go to Jita after we are done?

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Originally by: Lord Turk

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Your client has waited 11 minutes for a remote call to complete.
This could mean that the server is very loaded.

Please be patient, chances are that the call will complete eventually but depending on the load it might be considerable time.

Click here to see the remote call debug viewer

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Originally by: Gabriel Peace

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Rumor has it that the node was reinforced. Lag was ok at first but went to **** when it became beneficial for IT.

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Originally by: Buga Buga

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Guess IT called the right people... again

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Originally by: Metal Dude

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Poor little goonies. Can't win by lag, so they're going to whine about lag. Bring more next time.

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Originally by: Death Cell

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Goons and TEST blaming their utter defeat against IT on LAG/CCP...expected.

Goons and TEST way too immature to admit defeat when they've been owned and making up excuses left and right... expected.

Goons and TEST spamming the CAOD forum with their tears and excuses...expected.

You know Goons/TEST are like a pack of wild immature kids roaming space. All of their actions are predictable because their brains haven't developed yet. Poor little goonies and testies. When you're
done fapping away your sad excuse for an existence, come back and get owned again with your fail attacks.

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Originally by: Kool StoryBro

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Originally by: CCP Spitfire

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Originally by: Sandwich PvP

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Lag was bad...but considering the fact that the server was popping it's cork with 1000 in local a few months ago, I guess you would call this progress.
It also appeared to me that the fleets entering the system were able to warp without much issue, which could be considered a huge improvement.

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Originally by: Death Cell

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Goons and TEST blaming their utter defeat against IT on LAG/CCP...expected.

Goons and TEST way too immature to admit defeat when they've been owned and making up excuses left and right... expected.

Goons and TEST spamming the CAOD forum with their tears and excuses...expected.

You know Goons/TEST are like a pack of wild immature kids roaming space. All of their actions are predictable because their brains haven't developed yet. Poor little goonies and testies. When you're
done fapping away your sad excuse for an existence, come back and get owned again with your fail attacks.

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Originally by: Kool StoryBro

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Originally by: CCP Spitfire

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Originally by: Kalle Demos

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Ok so lag whine aside who held the field or are you guys still stuck / logged off / fighting / whining?

Test / Goons need not reply, we get it you guys are better than everyone and won the game in 1992 etc etc

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Originally by: Sandwich PvP

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It also appeared to me that the fleets entering the system were able to warp without much issue, which could be considered a huge improvement.

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Originally by: theBEANman

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Originally by: Death Cell

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Goons and TEST blaming their utter defeat against IT on LAG/CCP...expected.

Goons and TEST way too immature to admit defeat when they've been owned and making up excuses left and right... expected.

Goons and TEST spamming the CAOD forum with their tears and excuses...expected.

You know Goons/TEST are like a pack of wild immature kids roaming space. All of their actions are predictable because their brains haven't developed yet. Poor little goonies and testies. When you're
done fapping away your sad excuse for an existence, come back and get owned again with your fail attacks.

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If it wasn't for Goons/Test/PL/WIdot the forums would look like.... yours... empty

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Originally by: MrEbilEyes

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It's funny... we all know without lag IT would have lost alot of carriers and the abortion would have taken place all within an hour. We insta popped 2 carriers on landing. After that we just got lagballed.

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Originally by: MrEbilEyes

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13 DD's every 10minutes (instapopping logis) vs 600 people shooting at 1 volley around every 4-5 minutes.

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Originally by: MrEbilEyes

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What made it impossible to kill stuff for us? IT carriers beeing able to run into shields when beeing red boxed by the first who where able to shoot.

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Originally by: Kool StoryBro

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Originally by: CCP Spitfire

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Originally by: Gabriel Peace

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Rumor has it that the node was reinforced. Lag was ok at first but went to **** when it became beneficial for IT.

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Originally by: Dogoo

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if you cannot handle IT's Wallet

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Originally by: MrEbilEyes

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Your troll is bad, it's all lag. I'm sorry your brain can't handle more then having to yell from the basement to your mommy to say you need a new pizza.

Anyway, keep poasting ****e, I'm sure not all of us have smelt it

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Originally by: Kool StoryBro

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Originally by: Iniquita

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Edited by: Iniquita on 12/12/2010 13:33:59
Sources that which wish to remain nameless say that despite requests from attacking forces CCP failed to reinforce the node. Was IT's hand anywhere in this decision? I dont know Im just asking the questions.

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Originally by: Kalle Demos

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Wait a sec, so lag wasnt the problem, it was DDs and you guys refusing to bring caps?

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Originally by: paracidic

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RED Team Leader:

Hey guys since we are all as poor as &^%^%$$ lets all bring t1 BC's to a csaa fight. If we can bring 1000 of us in drakes there is no way the system can handle it and there is no way in the lag that iT can shoot us all fast enough. After all we marched into c3n on each of the last 3 days with 100 plus drakes and reinforced their towers at will.

RED Team Players:

Great idea, I exploited game learning mechanics for the last few months and have 2 decent drake pilots. Lets do it!!!

3 hours later:

Red Team Leader:

OK that was a failure, to coad to whine about lag and how iT has Supercaps and used them.

RED Team PLayers:

Great idea, we have always won the threadnaught war. let the s**t poasting commence.

RED Team Leader: Folllow me little Beees

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Originally by: Gerard Gendri

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Death to supercaps

Here is the story. We jumped 350 guys into system pushing it from 900 to 1200+. No grid load delay, mods were working as we burned off the gate and killed the bubbles.

We warped to the tower and shot a few carriers. Still little lag. Maybe 5-10 second delay.

Tower comes out, we start shooting. Mods are working. Then the supers show up and launch fighter-bombers and start DDing. Immediately the system goes to utter ****. Went from 10-20s delay to 10-20 minute delay.

Coincidence? I think not. Supers and fighter-bombers are whats breaking this game.

That said, it was an interesting fight. The preparation and travel and logistics involved was pretty mind-blowing to a dumb newbie like me. I look forward to attempting to cause more havoc alongside our new-found buddies, AAA and provibloc and Stain and everyone else.

IT brought the right ships for the job considering how EVE works today and used them well. Congratts, GF, and all that jazz.


Also lady scarlet is fat

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Originally by: Sverige Pahis

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LOL at IT and pets accusing us of trying to blob when there were over 100 carriers ~30 supers and I think 14 titans on grid. The lag was actually very playable at about 1.2k in local until it rose to 1.6k and supers dropped FBs.

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Originally by: NAFnist

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an essay bashing drake'ss just make you look like a hugenormous noob

ecm tactic was the highlight for me (nothing like a 40 sec lock time, followed by 40 to activate, and get ecm'd halfway, half the time) props

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Originally by: Tar'an Tula

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The lag was horrendous, and I really hope CCP learned a lot from this fight, so they can improve this game destroying problem... because seriously, this game has been out for 7 years, and they have yet to fix lag. Well they did for a minute, but then broke it again the next update. One thing I did notice though, grid loaded extremely fast upon jumping into system, so good job on that CCP. Overall, it was a decent fight that could have been an epic one were it not for crippling lag... I really would have liked to see what the fight would have looked like had guns actually been able to fire at somewhat normal rates.

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Originally by: Hyveres

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Edited by: Hyveres on 12/12/2010 19:20:48

Originally by: Tar'an Tula

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The lag was horrendous, and I really hope CCP learned a lot from this fight, so they can improve this game destroying problem... because seriously, this game has been out for 7 years, and they have yet to fix lag. Well they did for a minute, but then broke it again the next update. One thing I did notice though, grid loaded extremely fast upon jumping into system, so good job on that CCP. Overall, it was a decent fight that could have been an epic one were it not for crippling lag... I really would have liked to see what the fight would have looked like had guns actually been able to fire at somewhat normal rates.

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Remembering the fountain campaign and the battles down in querius before CCP broke stuff I'd say fleet composition might affect it.

Those fights were mostly BS slugfests and lag was there, but not in the same degree than we saw yesterday.

And yep you were not alone with those 10-15 min guncycles.

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Originally by: Tidanis

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Something that was pointed out to me:

1. IT had to deploy a very large cap/supercap fleet to defeat... everyone. This brings up the fact that it was a very very risky situation. If lag had been reasonable we could have alpha'd carriers into oblivion, like we did when we landed... then the lag hit :(

2. We also attacked deep into their space, past their meatshield Init., blackstar, etc.

If I was in IT leadership I would be picking up the bat-phone and calling in my blue meatshields. The weight of Eve is pushing against IT.

I was in C3N: i enjoyed surfing youtube hitting F1-F8 every 20 minutes, I hope my 10 rounds that I got off was enough.

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Originally by: Sandwich PvP

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Originally by: Tidanis

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Something that was pointed out to me:

1. IT had to deploy a very large cap/supercap fleet to defeat... everyone. This brings up the fact that it was a very very risky situation. If lag had been reasonable we could have alpha'd carriers into oblivion, like we did when we landed... then the lag hit :(

2. We also attacked deep into their space, past their meatshield Init., blackstar, etc.

If I was in IT leadership I would be picking up the bat-phone and calling in my blue meatshields. The weight of Eve is pushing against IT.

I was in C3N: i enjoyed surfing youtube hitting F1-F8 every 20 minutes, I hope my 10 rounds that I got off was enough.

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LOL, at the Testie thinking that was a large SC fleet. ;-)

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Originally by: Gerard Gendri

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Trolling removed. Zymurgist

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Originally by: gala gidas

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Originally by: Dogoo

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if you cannot handle IT's Wallet

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i thought Goons cant handle their own wallet to pay bills

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Originally by: NAFnist

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paracidic take a chill pill dude, i was commenting on what you had written
i have no clue if you're a noob or not (but ill ask farr next chance i get ;p)
and the ECM part was the best detail of the whole battle IMO
despite! it being used against me

good game

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Originally by: Tar'an Tula

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The lag was horrendous, and I really hope CCP learned a lot from this fight, so they can improve this game destroying problem... because seriously, this game has been out for 7 years, and they have yet to fix lag.

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Originally by: me, in SHC's 2010 prediction thread

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Blobs will continue to grow, lag will continue to result and people will continue to wonder why.

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Originally by: Coastie SK

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Originally by: Headerman

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Guys, you wanna all go to Jita after we are done?

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How about we go to jita and finish the fight...

Gawd I want to go to bed!

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Originally by: Coastie SK

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Originally by: Coastie SK

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Originally by: Headerman

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Guys, you wanna all go to Jita after we are done?

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How about we go to jita and finish the fight...

Gawd I want to go to bed!

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I made it home with ship and implants in one piece.

GF to all involved... hopefully one day we will be able to let 1600 players engage and let our ships and FCs decide the fight, rather then poor/unplayable lag conditions.

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Originally by: Headerman

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Originally by: Sandwich PvP

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Originally by: Tidanis

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Something that was pointed out to me:

1. IT had to deploy a very large cap/supercap fleet to defeat... everyone. This brings up the fact that it was a very very risky situation. If lag had been reasonable we could have alpha'd carriers into oblivion, like we did when we landed... then the lag hit :(

2. We also attacked deep into their space, past their meatshield Init., blackstar, etc.

If I was in IT leadership I would be picking up the bat-phone and calling in my blue meatshields. The weight of Eve is pushing against IT.

I was in C3N: i enjoyed surfing youtube hitting F1-F8 every 20 minutes, I hope my 10 rounds that I got off was enough.

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LOL, at the Testie thinking that was a large SC fleet. ;-)

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lol! seriously, were you born stupid, or is it just ur job?

He said a very large cap fleet. 75 carriers, 30 SCs and 13 titans = a very large cap fleet

Anyway, we had fun, thats the most important thing :)

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Originally by: g0ldfinger07

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Is CCP really not going to chime in on this i mean this is 1600 people all in the same place in null sec.

So 1600 + alts = All of US TZ null sec

This is a strong majority of all those that dwell in null sec and would like a game that doesn't break when BoBit decides to send 30 moms n 98 carriers on the field to launch all drones in attempt to crash node.

Ohh Wait I just remembered...

Free T2 Bpos

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Originally by: Kuar Z'thain

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More hampsters please CCP.

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Originally by: CCP Masterplan

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"I'm cruel because I love you."

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Originally by: g0ldfinger07

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Is CCP really not going to chime in on this i mean this is 1600 people all in the same place in null sec.

So 1600 + alts = All of US TZ null sec

This is a strong majority of all those that dwell in null sec and would like a game that doesn't break when BoBit decides to send 30 moms n 98 carriers on the field to launch all drones in attempt to crash node.

Ohh Wait I just remembered...

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Quote:

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are you suggesting that next time we should defend with drakes?

Originally by: Meno Theaetetus

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Edited by: Meno Theaetetus on 14/12/2010 10:23:52
There are so many things CCP could do very easily to combat lag and yet they don't, why they don't I have no idea. For example.

In a situation where the node processor is at 100% or bandwidth is saturated:

Purge abandoned drones.
Purge abandoned wrecks.
Start to use damage lookup tables rather than doing floating point calculations for damage.
Pause the node, and transfer onto reinforced node. ( They used to do this )
Setup priority basis for calculations.
How many times do people refit ships whilst in the middle of a fight? Why not calculate damage resistances infrequently, rather than every-time someone fires something.

As far as wider game changing mechanics why not just:

Get rid of drones server side, sure render them on the client, but why tie up server side cycles calculating benign things such as drone traversal and damage calculations, treat them like a gun, but client side render them as a ship/drone.

Same principle for missiles.

I think that would just about do it, get rid of server side drones, missiles, clean up wrecks, etc. Things would be playable in large fleet fights again.

Instead what do they do? 1) CREATE A NEW SUPER DRONE. 2) CREATE MECHANIC TO FAVOUR MISSILES.

Ultimately I think CCP have the immersion philosophy all wrong, how about less combat mechanics being mathematically perfect and processor crippling during fights, and more ships not flying through planets, bouncing around like internet space submarines.

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Originally by: Jak LC

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Treating drones and missiles just like guns would make them impossible to destroy.

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Originally by: Odet

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I know it's difficult for you to understand that most of the core code was written before you and I ever came to be in eve.

You probably also didn't know that there was a point in time where CCP wasn't always so well established. In fact early on they were almost bankrupt, and they had to cut some corners coding in order to survive as a company.

I Know it's hard to understand if you are not a programmer, but basically the code isn't as crisp and clear cut as everyone would like it to be(This includes CCP). A lot of the original code wasn't even documented properly, because of the rush to stay afloat as a company. So there is some guessing and testing when it come to changing the code. As a small change can have drastic effects on seemingly unrelated things.

Starting a fresh new Game company is no easy feat. CCP has come a long way, and they ARE working to make the game better, by constantly trying to fix old code and document things properly now that they have the means to do so.

just my 2 cents...

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Originally by: Odet

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I know it's difficult for you to understand that most of the core code was written before you and I ever came to be in eve.

You probably also didn't know that there was a point in time where CCP wasn't always so well established. In fact early on they were almost bankrupt, and they had to cut some corners coding in order to survive as a company.

I Know it's hard to understand if you are not a programmer, but basically the code isn't as crisp and clear cut as everyone would like it to be(This includes CCP). A lot of the original code wasn't even documented properly, because of the rush to stay afloat as a company. So there is some guessing and testing when it come to changing the code. As a small change can have drastic effects on seemingly unrelated things.

Starting a fresh new Game company is no easy feat. CCP has come a long way, and they ARE working to make the game better, by constantly trying to fix old code and document things properly now that they have the means to do so.

just my 2 cents...

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Originally by: Le Cardinal

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I wanna add another thing. Why do we need or want more ppl in a system? 1600 ppl? Even with ppl dualboxing thats more than 1000 players. Personally i think its pretty mental to expect that things go smooth with so many.

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Originally by: Montolio

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If the mechanics encouraged action in multiple adjacent systems and some sort of incremental system for sov warfare then these sorts of fights wouldn't happen.

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