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Posted - 2005.01.17 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Calsak on 17/01/2005 11:22:30
I had ore (ice to be exact) 'taken' from my 'floating cargo' (lets use the proper name gent's, jet-cans don't exist) over the weekend.
I didn't whine, didn't flood local with insults. I took the chance and I lost out on that occasion. Easy come easy go.
As for using 'Disposable' alt's (for whatever reason) then CCP will investigate and ban all accounts relating to that character IF they deem it to have been a mis-use and a breach of thier rules. They have stated this on a previous 'Mining Barge Killers' thread. You'll have to Petition for this and due to heavy workloads don't expect an instant response.
I always think prevention is better than a cure so I'd suggest that any character created on an account cannot be deleted within 90 days of it's creation date. It may not completely stop the use of disposable alts but the rate that they can be re-cycled and would stem the current flood.
Personally I'd like to see CCP give every non-newbie character a more forceful push out into 0.8< space. ATM it's just too attractive in terms of low-risk vs profit to stay in 0.9-1.0 space to mine and until they are 'pushed' out then it just won't happen. No one will 'volunteer' to move into system containing rats while their competitors op'd to play it safe taking no offensive weapons, just MinerII's and Miner Drones for a quicker yield.
This could have a side effect of giving some players who have only mined and don't have the fighting confidence to see that rats can be pretty easy, turrets can take something other than MinerII's and mining in a team can be more profitable, enjoyable and safe.
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Posted - 2005.01.17 11:36:00 -
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Original Post
 Originally by: GM Arkanon
Hello everyone.
To set the record straight, we can and do ban players for griefplaying. Note that attacking another player is not griefplaying. But, while attacking another player is not forbidden anywhere in EVE, excessive use of disposable alts (as judged by a GM), the use of exploits or the abuse of trial accounts to grief players for your own profit without risk of retribution will not be tolerated.
We have banned players for what we deem to be griefing before and we will continue to do so. Abuse of trial accounts can and will lead to a ban on your main account(s). I hope this clears up some questions about this subject.
GM Arkanon
Senior Game Master
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Calsak
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Posted - 2005.01.17 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Calsak on 17/01/2005 13:18:58
Originally by: Roshan longshot
There is no such thing as a "Ore Thief". When will you people get it into your heads? You tossed out that ore. Threw it away with last weeks load of Pampers. You lost all claim to such ore.
You create a container (Floating Cargo) and you are adding items into said container for whatever means you seem fit. There is nothing stating that you are losing any claim to the contents of the container or any subsequent items you transfer into it.
The container isn't secure so the contents of that container are open to any unskilled person to take without permission.
The fact the container was orginally designed as a way of emptying your cargo hold of any unwanted item is irrelivent. I can take a sweet tin and store money in it, it doesn't mean someone can take me to court if they choke on a ú1 coin thinking it was a Caramel Penny.
Putting my money in a Bank though it the preferred method and more secure but if someone takes my sweet tin full of ú10 notes it is equally stealing as if they run into a Bank with a sawn off shot gun. It's just one way is easier and I'd get little sympathy from the police when I report it.
The fact that this way of using these containers is widely reported and discussed as a way of mining removes any doubt that anyone taking the contents is fully aware that they are not taking unwanted items. This then defines that person as a thief.
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Posted - 2005.01.17 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sudesh Potdar
The intent of the act is still stealing wether you walk off with a sweet tin or if you hit a bank. That's true. Both intents: stealing. But the way I see it, here's the catch: In the case of the sweet tin, you are partly at fault because you know that it was not secure. In a way, you enabled the crime to happen. Same with using a freely accessable jetcan to mine.
Precisely what I wrote. Either way it's stealing just one way is easier than the other. No-one (reasonable) would argue against this.
The problem that most people have is that even if you get your sweet tin stolen and the police tell you 'You should of put it in a bank sonny' action would still be taken to catch/prosecute those reponsible.
If the thieves went to trial would you think the judge would say 'Well, he kept his money in a sweet tin, he was asking for it. Case dismissed!'. Of course not, the issue in Eve is one of justice (or lack of) rather than is or is not theft.
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Posted - 2005.01.17 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Calsak on 17/01/2005 17:21:26
Originally by: Calsak
Either way it's stealing just one way is easier than the other. No-one (reasonable) would argue against this.
I had no doubt that you would reply to this...Unfortunately you are rather predictable.
Originally by: Ryctor
 Waa Waa Waaa. Thats all your post amounts to. You want to play a game where your precious veldspar isnt stolen then here you go. It should fit your carebear lifestyle perfectly. 
Ryctor, please read topic's before replying to them. You may gain valuable insight into the game and thus how to play it. I did indicated that I actually had Ice ore stolen, not Veldspa and I did not whine, moan or complain about the thief in question.
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Posted - 2005.01.18 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Calsak on 18/01/2005 14:58:19
Originally by: Roshan longshot
Takes a brit to confuse me this bad....sweat tin...carmal penny? read the players hand book mate.
I have, several times. I failed to see any reference to you or ore thieves's in general. I don't see this as a problem or a reason 'disallow' them in game. The problem isn't one of whether it's stealling but perceived (lack) of justice against them.
BTW...I don't know where you're from but I'd hate to own a 'sweat tin' if thats the norm...Yuk!
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Posted - 2005.01.18 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Calsak on 18/01/2005 16:51:57
Originally by: Ryctor
Some of you think I'm pathetic for spending most of my time flying around picking up chunked ore, you should see the people who follow ME around warning everyone about me. Some real winners there.
I certainly don't think that of you simply because you're an thief within Eve.
Any person who takes another players ore IS playing within the mechanic's of the current game. I'm certainly not going to call anyone because of this. I and any other player currently must take the chance that someone can take your ore from a Floating Cargo container as it isn't secure. The Thief MUST admit what they are doing is wrong (from a moral point of view) but equally the Miner MUST accept the risks of unsecure mining.
Any thoughts I have about ore-theft is directed towards changes to the game mechanics not anyone person. (Although if I see you on Local I'll be on my guard whatever security rated system I'm in )
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