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Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.08.12 20:50:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Not that it's overly important but there was 19 vulnerable systems by the time Nulli joined up.
My 1 key is screwy. Anyway I counted 17 vulnerable systems the weekend Nulli joined.
np as I said the numbers weren't important at all.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
537
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Posted - 2012.08.12 21:23:00 -
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Karah Serrigan wrote:Xuixien wrote:Quote:
We had 3 systems and about 20 vulnerable and several more heavilly contested.
Nulli did make a few systems vulnerable around todifraun.
The funny part is how you have that completely backwards. When Nulli joined I counted 7 vulnerable systems. Within a week there were 20 or so vulnerable systems. A week later, 30. And then systems stopped going vulnerable. I mean, you can say "nulli only made a few systems vulnerable and spent the entire time farming todifraun", but anyone who's been paying attention and bothered to look at any FW killboard will know that this is not true. The majority of systems that became vulnerable did so after Nulli joined, and in quick order to boot. After Nulli stopped expanding, only a couple of systems became vulnerable. The Amarr militia's contribution to current events is like a candle in the middle of the forest fire of Nulli's campaign. When nulli joined 2 weeks ago 30 systems were vulnerable and 3 in possession. 2 Weeks later now, amarr had 6 owned and 41 vulnerable. So nulli only helped getting 10 of those vulnerable, then decided to take a **** and flip them to cash out their 50 navy geddons or apocs after losing 50b or so of "afk merlins" as they claim. So yes, nulli ****** amarr up pretty badly.
The reason for some confusion is nulli sort of joined 2xs. They joined and immediately left.
The first time they joined we already had 19 vulnerable and several systems heavilly contested. Then they immediately left and came back again some time later. At the time of the second coming of nulli we had several more vulnerable and the amount contested continued to build.
I gave them the benefit of every doubt by only counting the 19 but in fact your numbers are probably more accurate because they couldnt' have been doing much when they were not even in militia.
Like I said I don't think they intentionally screwed us. I think they have leadership that is not really bright. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
537
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Posted - 2012.08.12 21:27:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Not that it's overly important but there was 19 vulnerable systems by the time Nulli joined up.
Thing is it doesn't require corps, alliances or anything oither than a couple random people with brand new characters to get a system to vulnerable state.
As FW currently stands one really dedicated man would eventually get all but a handful of staging systems to vulnerable as nobody really wants to defensive plex, of course that one man would have trouble flipping those systems but as it stands give one guy a merlin and a little time and he'll get every system prime for flipping eventually.
This is basically correct.
This is why it was an epic failure to start flipping when we were only 9 systems away from tier 5. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
537
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Posted - 2012.08.12 21:43:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Karah Serrigan wrote:Xuixien wrote:Quote:
We had 3 systems and about 20 vulnerable and several more heavilly contested.
Nulli did make a few systems vulnerable around todifraun.
The funny part is how you have that completely backwards. When Nulli joined I counted 7 vulnerable systems. Within a week there were 20 or so vulnerable systems. A week later, 30. And then systems stopped going vulnerable. I mean, you can say "nulli only made a few systems vulnerable and spent the entire time farming todifraun", but anyone who's been paying attention and bothered to look at any FW killboard will know that this is not true. The majority of systems that became vulnerable did so after Nulli joined, and in quick order to boot. After Nulli stopped expanding, only a couple of systems became vulnerable. The Amarr militia's contribution to current events is like a candle in the middle of the forest fire of Nulli's campaign. When nulli joined 2 weeks ago 30 systems were vulnerable and 3 in possession. 2 Weeks later now, amarr had 6 owned and 41 vulnerable. So nulli only helped getting 10 of those vulnerable, then decided to take a **** and flip them to cash out their 50 navy geddons or apocs after losing 50b or so of "afk merlins" as they claim. So yes, nulli ****** amarr up pretty badly. When Nulli joined there were less than 20 systems vulnerable.. I counted 17, Typo Interobang counted 19. See the post he made here, out of fear of lolnullitakinthecredit.
Like I said above they may have joined at 19 but then immediately left again. The more accurate measure would be to count the second arrival of nulli.
The fact that the 2 numbers are so different tends to show that nulli had only a moderate impact.. Many of their pilots just kept farming systems that were already vulnerable. That really didn't help amarr as a whole. And for the reasons Kreshant gave they only sped things up moderately.
In the end nulli really just put a huge delay for our ability to hit tier 5. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
372
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Posted - 2012.08.12 21:52:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Not that it's overly important but there was 19 vulnerable systems by the time Nulli joined up.
Thing is it doesn't require corps, alliances or anything oither than a couple random people with brand new characters to get a system to vulnerable state.
As FW currently stands one really dedicated man would eventually get all but a handful of staging systems to vulnerable as nobody really wants to defensive plex, of course that one man would have trouble flipping those systems but as it stands give one guy a merlin and a little time and he'll get every system prime for flipping eventually. This is basically correct. This is why it was an epic failure to start flipping when we were only 9 systems away from tier 5.
Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't wait 1 or 2 more weeks, get more LP, get critical mass for T5 and cash out then. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |

Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2012.08.12 21:53:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Cearain wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Not that it's overly important but there was 19 vulnerable systems by the time Nulli joined up.
Thing is it doesn't require corps, alliances or anything oither than a couple random people with brand new characters to get a system to vulnerable state.
As FW currently stands one really dedicated man would eventually get all but a handful of staging systems to vulnerable as nobody really wants to defensive plex, of course that one man would have trouble flipping those systems but as it stands give one guy a merlin and a little time and he'll get every system prime for flipping eventually. This is basically correct. This is why it was an epic failure to start flipping when we were only 9 systems away from tier 5. Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't wait 1 or 2 more weeks, get more LP, get critical mass for T5 and cash out then.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL6wbsGx9qw |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
276
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Posted - 2012.08.12 23:18:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:Cearain wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24792054.jpg I don't mind them leaving at all. Its that they decided to flip a bunch of systems before we hit tier 5. I asked them to just let us finish the job they could stay in fw and cash out after we hit tier 5. Their response was "adapt or die." Amarr militia was doing fine before they came. They boosted the speed that we were winning systems but we would have been much better off if they joined minmatar instead. They wouldn't skrew up our strategy of waiting to flip unitl tier 5 and just think of the lp we would have gotten from all those kills. I predict tritanium and pyerite prices will plummet when nulli becomes a massive highsec mining corp (1.0 space) shortly after leaving fw.
Actually since Nulli couldn't reach Tier5 I'd start hoarding Trit&pye if they started HI sec mining and expect the prices to skyrocket =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |

Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
267
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Posted - 2012.08.12 23:39:00 -
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Cearain, you've gone from forum troll to just idiot. Stop whining about how Nulli has ruined everything and doomed the Amarr militia. You're a cancer to the Amarr militia, because all you do is act like everything would be fine if you were in charge while using your amazing 20/20 hindsight to criticize and complain about everything the Amarr do as if everything that happens is done so on purpose.
The moar you cry the less you pee |

Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
540
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:06:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:Cearain wrote:Thomas Kreshant wrote:Not that it's overly important but there was 19 vulnerable systems by the time Nulli joined up.
Thing is it doesn't require corps, alliances or anything oither than a couple random people with brand new characters to get a system to vulnerable state.
As FW currently stands one really dedicated man would eventually get all but a handful of staging systems to vulnerable as nobody really wants to defensive plex, of course that one man would have trouble flipping those systems but as it stands give one guy a merlin and a little time and he'll get every system prime for flipping eventually. This is basically correct. This is why it was an epic failure to start flipping when we were only 9 systems away from tier 5. Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't wait 1 or 2 more weeks, get more LP, get critical mass for T5 and cash out then.
If nulli stayed and could flip stuff in one day and they continued to plex systems that weren't already vulnerable it would be shorter.
If nulli left it would take about 3 weeks. We were abel to afk plex the systems around frerstorn and eszur US tz. But they were getting defensive plexed a bit during the eu tz. So it would take about a week or 2 of concentrated effort to get vulnerabel and then the flipping would be another aspect. But at least we would have a good shot at tier 5 even without Nulli.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
540
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:25:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:Cearain, you've gone from forum troll to just idiot. Stop whining about how Nulli has ruined everything and doomed the Amarr militia. You're a cancer to the Amarr militia, because all you do is act like everything would be fine if you were in charge while using your amazing 20/20 hindsight to criticize and complain about everything the Amarr do as if everything that happens is done so on purpose.
I see you have given up on actually addressing the points I raise and instead decide to just insult me.
What I say is not hindsight. I have been saying the same thing for over 2 months. Dont flip systems immediately, and focus on offensive plexing. When amarr started doing this we were on course for tier 5. Anyone who has a brain can see that even most minmatar.
I realize you have not always agreed with me and you might be the type that gets upset when you disagree with someone and are found to be wrong. So perhaps you have some sort of grudge. But really I couldn't care less who you are, or what type of person you are. If you want to argue your point argue it.
If you want to just call people names that will be seen by all.
Pretending it's ccps fault for this epic fail may be popular with some amarr. But really it is not going to help the situation. Lots of people know better. Try to be objective.
When I found out nulli was going to screw amarr I asked them if they would just leave low sec let us get it to tier 5 and then they could make much more isk. I was told to adapt or die. It was clear they decided that low sec was intolerable. They were obviously losing too much face on the killboards and needed to get back to null sec where few know how to pvp.
If you were objective you would congratulate the minmatar and qcats for what they did.
Like you said before I am just a nobody in amarr. So no one cares what I say. I just take careful note of the facts and report them. This was a huge blunder for nulli and screwed amarr. That is all there is to it.
edit: and btw its not like these were my own strategies. They were obvious to many of the miliia old guard. It is really players like you who think you know it all, who have been the cancer to amarr. But for every new player like you who refuses to listen to reason, and just blames ccp, there are other new players who look at the facts and learn. We see a many people in fweddit who started to get with the program and play smart. When you see a stupid mistake call it out. Stop blaming ccp for our own dumb gameplay. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
102
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Posted - 2012.08.13 00:32:00 -
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The funny part to me is how when Nulli joined, the Amarr were all
Neener neener neener, , now that Nulli's here we're gonna show you!!!! We're gonna hit T5 and be even more rich than you!!!
and then, when Amarr screwed up their T5 cashout
It's not our fault! *tears* Nulli screwed us all up and totally ruined our T5 cashout!!! *whining, complaining, fingerpointing* Rabble Rabble!! |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
347
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Posted - 2012.08.13 01:09:00 -
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I noticed a lack of any real nulli input to this thread. I guess they didnt want that tier 5 anyway. |

Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
540
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:25:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:The funny part to me is how when Nulli joined, the Amarr were all Neener neener neener, , now that Nulli's here we're gonna show you!!!! We're gonna hit T5 and be even more rich than you!!!....
Actually you posted a picture suggesting we said that. But no one in amarr, other than nulli themselves, was in fact saying that nulli is going to be the begin all and end all.
Xuixien wrote:It's not our fault! *tears* Nulli screwed us all up and totally ruined our T5 cashout!!! *whining, complaining, fingerpointing*
Well nulli is currently part of amarr so blaming them is to some extent blaming amarr.
But yes the nulli secunda part of amarr that decided to flip systems before we had enough for tier five did ruin our plans for a tier five cashout this time around. Now we are basically waiting for the next cycle. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
79
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:32:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:The funny part to me is how when Nulli joined, the Amarr were all Neener neener neener, , now that Nulli's here we're gonna show you!!!! We're gonna hit T5 and be even more rich than you!!!
Let's be fair, that was mostly the less intelligent members of FWeddit. The Amarrian Old Guard's reaction was comparable to Silence IKillYou's.
Looks like they were vindicated. |

Shaalira D'arc
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.08.13 03:55:00 -
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It was fun while it lasted. |

Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:11:00 -
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This was loads of fun for the cats
Props to nulli/hun for bringing gf's, and also props to those persistent farmers that died constantly to our insta locking gate camps
o7 Is sexy time? |

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2012.08.13 20:53:00 -
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yatct |

Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.13 20:57:00 -
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Milton Middleson wrote:Xuixien wrote:The funny part to me is how when Nulli joined, the Amarr were all Neener neener neener, , now that Nulli's here we're gonna show you!!!! We're gonna hit T5 and be even more rich than you!!! Let's be fair, that was mostly the less intelligent members of FWeddit. The Amarrian Old Guard's reaction was comparable to Silence IKillYou's. Looks like they were vindicated.
Yes, that is a fair distinction.
Rabble Rabble!! |

Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
151
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Posted - 2012.08.13 20:58:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Milton Middleson wrote:Xuixien wrote:The funny part to me is how when Nulli joined, the Amarr were all Neener neener neener, , now that Nulli's here we're gonna show you!!!! We're gonna hit T5 and be even more rich than you!!! Let's be fair, that was mostly the less intelligent members of FWeddit. The Amarrian Old Guard's reaction was comparable to Silence IKillYou's. Looks like they were vindicated. Yes, that is a fair distinction.
Hey that's not nice most people in Fweddit are highly intelligent we're just mostly assholes and racists. |

Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
106
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Posted - 2012.08.13 21:04:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:Xuixien wrote:Milton Middleson wrote:Xuixien wrote:The funny part to me is how when Nulli joined, the Amarr were all Neener neener neener, , now that Nulli's here we're gonna show you!!!! We're gonna hit T5 and be even more rich than you!!! Let's be fair, that was mostly the less intelligent members of FWeddit. The Amarrian Old Guard's reaction was comparable to Silence IKillYou's. Looks like they were vindicated. Yes, that is a fair distinction. Hey that's not nice most people in Fweddit are highly intelligent we're just mostly assholes and racists.
Hey hey hey, calm down. He didn't say that, man.
Rabble Rabble!! |

Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
151
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Posted - 2012.08.13 21:44:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:
Hey hey hey, calm down. He didn't say that, man.
lol what does what some one says have to do with the replies I make? I just like the way it sounded |

Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.08.13 22:39:00 -
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Nulli killboard: http://killboard.nullisecunda.com/
Nice.  |

Roderick Grey
House Of Serenity. Unprovoked Aggression
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Posted - 2012.08.13 22:52:00 -
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ITT: Fwtards claim relevance... |

Hrett
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.08.13 23:12:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:ITT: Fwtards claim relevance...
ITT: Qcats are relevant.
Nice job guys. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |

Generals4
1021
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Posted - 2012.08.13 23:17:00 -
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Roderick Grey wrote:ITT: Fwtards claim relevance...
Well they made you post in one of their threads didn't they? -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |

Hrett
Justified Chaos
148
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Posted - 2012.08.13 23:20:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:Roderick Grey wrote:ITT: Fwtards claim relevance... Well they made you post in one of their threads didn't they?
Actually, he posted in two. Twice the relevance?
I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |

Donnerjack Wolfson
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:05:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Donnerjack Wolfson wrote:Cearain wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24792054.jpg I don't mind them leaving at all. Its that they decided to flip a bunch of systems before we hit tier 5. I asked them to just let us finish the job they could stay in fw and cash out after we hit tier 5. Their response was "adapt or die." Amarr militia was doing fine before they came. They boosted the speed that we were winning systems but we would have been much better off if they joined minmatar instead. They wouldn't skrew up our strategy of waiting to flip unitl tier 5 and just think of the lp we would have gotten from all those kills. >doing find before they came >held 3 systems before they announced they were joining You still don't understand the mechanics do you? We had 3 systems and about 20 vulnerable and several more heavilly contested. We were doing better than at any time before then. I would gladly have a reset to that point tomorrow.
No, you had 20 by the time they actually joined, after they had hemmorhaged plexers all over the place.
You had six or so before they announced, and Fweddit Alliance MOTD literally said to not flip them simply because it gave them money.
Nice try. |

Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
545
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:13:00 -
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Donnerjack Wolfson wrote:Cearain wrote:Donnerjack Wolfson wrote:Cearain wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24792054.jpg I don't mind them leaving at all. Its that they decided to flip a bunch of systems before we hit tier 5. I asked them to just let us finish the job they could stay in fw and cash out after we hit tier 5. Their response was "adapt or die." Amarr militia was doing fine before they came. They boosted the speed that we were winning systems but we would have been much better off if they joined minmatar instead. They wouldn't skrew up our strategy of waiting to flip unitl tier 5 and just think of the lp we would have gotten from all those kills. >doing find before they came >held 3 systems before they announced they were joining You still don't understand the mechanics do you? We had 3 systems and about 20 vulnerable and several more heavilly contested. We were doing better than at any time before then. I would gladly have a reset to that point tomorrow. No, you had 20 by the time they actually joined, after they had hemmorhaged plexers all over the place. You had six or so before they announced, and Fweddit Alliance MOTD literally said to not flip them simply because it gave them money. Nice try.
I said we had about 20 and you respond "No, you had 20" 
It was documented that we had 19 vulnerable 3 helpd, plus several more heavilly contested before nulli joined the first time. They then almost immediately got kicked out for a time period and by the time they joined back up we had more vulnerable and more contested.
The reason we gained these systems is because of a change in strategy. Amarr stopped immediately flipping systems like we did in the past. We also stopped spending so much time defensive plexing and focused on offensive plexing.
This is what you clearly do not to grasp when you say. "fweddit Alliance MOTD literally said to not flip them...." that was the change in strategy that lead to our gaining ground. And ground we did gain before nulli joined.
Like I said I would much prefer to have a reset to where we were before nulli joined, even the first time they joined.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Xuixien
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
107
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:23:00 -
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As far as I know, Nulli never left the militia. Rabble Rabble!! Don't mind me. I just enjoy crapping all over the forums and laughing at the people who take it too seriously. |

Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
545
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Posted - 2012.08.14 15:29:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:As far as I know, Nulli never left the militia.
Who said they did? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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