In general I will say plexing success has nothing to do with pvp. However in the case I think it did. It appears that Nulli is running from low sec with half of the isk they earned left behind in metropolis.

Why would they do this with only another 9 or so systems to go? The only explanation is that their killboard is too humiliating to bear another day of fw.

Congratulations to Qcats and other minmatar who fought up there. I think Electus Matari were up there too. I went up there for a change a pace and had a few good fights.


As to nulli rank and file. I hope some of you enjoyed the non blob warfare fw offers and might decide to stick around. If you want to stay I am sure there are allot of amarr corps that would be happy to pick you up.

As for amarr - well there was no way to predict this. I thought nulli was farming those vulnerable systems before moving to the non vulnerable systems just to get more lp. But I guess they really were afraid to move a few jumps past evati. We can just keep fighting like we always do.

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I don't mind them leaving at all. Its that they decided to flip a bunch of systems before we hit tier 5. I asked them to just let us finish the job they could stay in fw and cash out after we hit tier 5. Their response was "adapt or die."

Amarr militia was doing fine before they came. They boosted the speed that we were winning systems but we would have been much better off if they joined minmatar instead. They wouldn't skrew up our strategy of waiting to flip unitl tier 5 and just think of the lp we would have gotten from all those kills.

I don't mind them leaving at all. Its that they decided to flip a bunch of systems before we hit tier 5. I asked them to just let us finish the job they could stay in fw and cash out after we hit tier 5. Their response was "adapt or die."

Amarr militia was doing fine before they came. They boosted the speed that we were winning systems but we would have been much better off if they joined minmatar instead. They wouldn't skrew up our strategy of waiting to flip unitl tier 5 and just think of the lp we would have gotten from all those kills.

>doing find before they came

>held 3 systems before they announced they were joining

You still don't understand the mechanics do you? We had 3 systems and about 20 vulnerable and several more heavilly contested. We were doing better than at any time before then. I would gladly have a reset to that point tomorrow.

You still don't understand the mechanics do you? We had 3 systems and about 20 vulnerable and several more heavilly contested. We were doing better than at any time before then. I would gladly have a reset to that point tomorrow.

Amarr militia was doing fine before they came. They boosted the speed that we were winning systems but we would have been much better off if they joined minmatar instead. They wouldn't skrew up our strategy of waiting to flip unitl tier 5 and just think of the lp we would have gotten from all those kills.

While I understand this must be annoying for you, I think the rate that nulli helped cap plexes (and the morale boost it brought to many amarr corps getting them to cap plexes) was critical. ..

Before you were building systems to vulnerable at a steady rate but you wouldn't have hit T5 before we had enough DPS alts trained to flip systems...

Bear in mind before Nulli announced there were many corps with amarr that just seemed to not be undocking any more, with morale like that my preemptive medal post didn't seem so far off in reality..

Also we don't want them! We have enough farmers in Minmatar as it is and we needed something to show how broken the current mechanics are, I think Nulli did that beautifully and we can expect more dev attention. Minmalts may have been farming FW into the ground but we never held any systems vulnerable, just a shame the caldari front had ample farming opportunity for them..

By flipping your own systems you would lock out yourselves from tier five as well. Maybe that was your plan, I don't know. I mean nulli leadership demonstrated poor decision making maybe yours did too. The best way to make it so faction war players to finally get some isk/war materials to compete with some of the null sec alliances is to keep flipping back and forth to tier 5. But yes being petty will come into play and does in the gallente caldari front.

It's a good strategy, but the ability to kill a bunker with militia alts meant that there was a time limit on its effectiveness in the Amarr/Minmatar warzone, which still isn't the Cal/Gal warzone. If Minmatar'd been able to make T5 cash-outs this entire time, eventually they'd stop buying supercaps "for no reason, that's how rich I am" and just buy alts or PLEX multiple additional accounts to the point where they could've popped our bubble of vulnerable systems whenever they wanted. Amarr never would've seen T5 - but a popped bubble at T3 might've made the warzone somewhat healthy again. 'Somewhat healthy again' is as high as my expectations went. And stopping your enemy from making sixteen times what you make is a goal worth achieving in itself, with beneficial long-term consequences in itself.

From what I understand Minmatar alts flipped one system labapi. They could have flipped others. But perhaps they realized that this is not really a good plan for their own pilots so they stopped. If they flip too many they will not be able to hit tier 5 themselves. But perhaps they were nibbling the same ****** sandwiches as nulli.

As for why they were at tier 5 "so long." Well it did take the amarr about 6 weeks to finally get organized behind the winning strategy. Not to mention Amarr took the biggest hit due to how things were preinferno. And even with the winning strategy it takes time when you have the smallest militia.

Bla bla bla. More wasted words and mad chat/talk. Anything interesting going on? Like interesting battols or something. Otherwise meh!

Bla bla bla. More wasted words and mad chat/talk. Anything interesting going on? Like interesting battols or something. Otherwise meh!

Winning strategy is such a misnomer. The fact that you make more progress by totally ignoring warzone control is silly. .

While it does provide a sort of balancing mechanism under the current system, I think it its more indicative of a broken system than a good mechanic. Actively caring and contesting the warzone, no matter the current situation should always provide more benefit and reward than simply abusing the system.

Under the current mechanics the Amarr are faced with two possible outcomes depending on strategy.

Losing strategy: Actively contest the warzone refusing to use alts that negatively impact your own militia in any way, while being totally poor and frustrated as you bang your head against the wall and give your opponent more and more ISK as they reflip systems, while your LP remains mostly worthless.

Winning strategy: Literally stop caring about contesting the warzone and watch the vulnerable systems pile up while you lose most of your warzone allowing the Minmatar militia to hit Tier 5 weekly. Then, use Minny farming alt to get endless supply of SFIs and/or billions of ISK while you PVP to your hearts content.

Also, I totally disagree with your statement that being able to push into Tier 3 and stopping your opponent from making 16 times the ISK you are is a worthy objective under the current mechanics.

I don't care if you're a super-duper Amarr roleplayer or not, at this point you have no excuse to be in the Amarr militia and complain about being poor.

Chew on this for a second. If immediately after Inferno came out the Amarr had given up on warzone control and just let systems get up to vulnerable while farming on Minmatar alts from day 1, we would arguably be in a MUCH stronger position than we are now. All that plexing effort wasted on flipping and losing systems for no profit could have been going towards making us rich and at the very least we would have made just as much as our Minmatar counterparts. I find it really ironic that the entire time we were saying under the current mechanics there was nothing we could do to effectively fight back, the most effective way for us to fight back was to actually do nothing.

Thanks to Nulli Secunda, I moved up 2500 in rankings on battleclinic!

But seriously, I've had a lots of good fights from pilots newer to small gang / solo fighting. I've won some I've lost some (and have seen some very interesting fits..) and it was a blast. Nulli does have their fair share of terribad pilots but there are a lot of good chaps who will engage you under non-blob circumstances.

P.S. To those forum lurkers thinking of giving FW a try: don't listen to all the bittervets, there is fun, small gang/solo pvp to be had, it just takes a bit of patience! I have never seen so many thrashers/AFs roaming solo in lowsec. Just fit up a thrasher, fly around the systems by evati / kourm / nenna and I guarantee you will find a chance for a goodfite

We had 3 systems and about 20 vulnerable and several more heavilly contested.

Nulli did make a few systems vulnerable around todifraun.

The funny part is how you have that completely backwards. When Nulli joined I counted 7 vulnerable systems. Within a week there were 20 or so vulnerable systems. A week later, 30. And then systems stopped going vulnerable. I mean, you can say "nulli only made a few systems vulnerable and spent the entire time farming todifraun", but anyone who's been paying attention and bothered to look at any FW killboard will know that this is not true.

The majority of systems that became vulnerable did so after Nulli joined, and in quick order to boot. After Nulli stopped expanding, only a couple of systems became vulnerable.

The Amarr militia's contribution to current events is like a candle in the middle of the forest fire of Nulli's campaign.

Not that it's overly important but there was 19 vulnerable systems by the time Nulli joined up.

When nulli joined 2 weeks ago 30 systems were vulnerable and 3 in possession. 2 Weeks later now, amarr had 6 owned and 41 vulnerable. So nulli only helped getting 10 of those vulnerable, then decided to take a **** and flip them to cash out their 50 navy geddons or apocs after losing 50b or so of "afk merlins" as they claim. So yes, nulli ****** amarr up pretty badly.