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Ikshuki
Lockheed Martin Systems
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Posted - 2012.08.12 05:23:00 -
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okay CCP has always done things for a reason when they change things but wtf? this new mining system is totally messed up, in my hulk i could have store 6 of Veldspar crystals, 6 of Scordite crystals, 6 of kernite crystals, and 6 of pyroxeres crystals, with this new system, i can't even get 4 of each. I can't even imagine trying to keep crystals in a 0.0 mining alliance right now, i know you don't need much of a cargo with the new ore bays, but at least let us store at least 2,000m3 worth of crystals for the null miners. On top of that why would you make cargo with T1 miners larger than T2 mining barges and encourage players to go solo mining rather than corp mining? Now i do like how you're making it too risky to bot mine with buffed belt rats with weak shielding and regen, but you are destroying the point of even getting a hulk if you're a new player, i had to work my ass off to get to a hulk, so should the new players, this could very well be the 1st phase of ccp's attempt to wowify eve, this is a fraction of what's to come i think, as CCP starts catering to the WoW players that are now flooding eve |

Pipa Porto
681
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Posted - 2012.08.12 05:29:00 -
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First. White space. Learn to use it so we can read your posts. Second. Capitalization. See 1. Third. If you're in a Hulk, you should probably have hauler support. Those haulers can drop cans (secure or jet) full of crystals for your convenience. If you don't have hauler support, check out the Mackinaw. Fourth. Did we really need another thread about miners whining about getting their ships buffed? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
36
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Posted - 2012.08.12 05:49:00 -
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I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was. I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them. |

Ikshuki
Lockheed Martin Systems
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Posted - 2012.08.12 05:53:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was. I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them. lol doesn't use crystals, enough said, i bet you would see my point if you saw how much you can make from T2 cystals and actually used them, don't talk down on things you don't even use enough to know about, T2 crystals has the mining speed of 2 T1 hulks |

Nevyn Auscent
Altruism. Brosefs.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.12 06:36:00 -
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Ikshuki wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was. I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them. lol doesn't use crystals, enough said, i bet you would see my point if you saw how much you can make from T2 cystals and actually used them, don't talk down on things you don't even use enough to know about, T2 crystals has the mining speed of 2 T1 hulks not to mention if you're a 0.0 miner you need at least 4-6 of every null ore in your hulk cargo bay if you want to keep your 0.0 stations running, that's well over 24 crystals with 7 different ore types vs 4 ore types in high sec, what does ccp want us to do crawl over to jetcanned crystals 23-40km away to reload our lasers that may take 10-15 minutes to crawl over to? Reading comprehension fail. He said he keeps his crystals in his Orca, so.... he does use them. As for 'crawling over to them' why are they not being dropped right ontop of you at the same time they pick up your ore..... |

Ikshuki
Lockheed Martin Systems
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Posted - 2012.08.12 06:38:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:First. White space. Learn to use it so we can read your posts. Second. Capitalization. See 1. Third. If you're in a Hulk, you should probably have hauler support. Those haulers can drop cans (secure or jet) full of crystals for your convenience. If you don't have hauler support, check out the Mackinaw. Fourth. Did we really need another thread about miners whining about getting their ships buffed? what's wrong can't read for long periods of time? i know a good voice reader if reading strains your brain |

Ikshuki
Lockheed Martin Systems
0
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Posted - 2012.08.12 06:43:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Ikshuki wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was. I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them. lol doesn't use crystals, enough said, i bet you would see my point if you saw how much you can make from T2 cystals and actually used them, don't talk down on things you don't even use enough to know about, T2 crystals has the mining speed of 2 T1 hulks not to mention if you're a 0.0 miner you need at least 4-6 of every null ore in your hulk cargo bay if you want to keep your 0.0 stations running, that's well over 24 crystals with 7 different ore types vs 4 ore types in high sec, what does ccp want us to do crawl over to jetcanned crystals 23-40km away to reload our lasers that may take 10-15 minutes to crawl over to? Reading comprehension fail. He said he keeps his crystals in his Orca, so.... he does use them. As for 'crawling over to them' why are they not being dropped right ontop of you at the same time they pick up your ore..... lol have you ever tried doing a 50 man mining op? assuming you do then you would know it's impossible for orcas to be in range of every miner, in 0.0 you have specialized miners that mines in all directions and meets at the center, it is impossible to provide crystals to everyone in the fleet without having to go to every member individually by then that miner might go half an hour without mining waiting for crystals to be brought to them |

Pipa Porto
682
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Posted - 2012.08.12 06:51:00 -
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Ikshuki wrote:lol have you ever tried doing a 50 man mining op? assuming you do then you would know it's impossible for orcas to be in range of every miner, in 0.0 you have specialized miners that mines in all directions and meets at the center, it is impossible to provide crystals to everyone in the fleet without having to go to every member individually by then that miner might go half an hour without mining waiting for crystals to be brought to them
In null, the best belt to cycle can be entirely mined without moving from 2 warpin spots. Anchor GSCs in those spots and fill them with crystals.
Tah Dah. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Pipa Porto
682
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Posted - 2012.08.12 06:52:00 -
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Ikshuki wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:First. White space. Learn to use it so we can read your posts. Second. Capitalization. See 1. Third. If you're in a Hulk, you should probably have hauler support. Those haulers can drop cans (secure or jet) full of crystals for your convenience. If you don't have hauler support, check out the Mackinaw. Fourth. Did we really need another thread about miners whining about getting their ships buffed? what's wrong can't read for long periods of time? i know a good voice reader if reading strains your brain
So you didn't get past the first line of my post. And you're trying to call me out for not wanting to read walls of text? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
218
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Posted - 2012.08.12 07:50:00 -
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Ikshuki wrote: what's wrong can't read for long periods of time? i know a good voice reader if reading strains your brain
"Reading" your posts isn't reading. It's more like puzzle-solving.
Anyway, what's the old Eve proverb? Adapt or die. |
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
439
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Posted - 2012.08.12 08:02:00 -
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yeah crystals in a hulk suck, no idea what else you're whining about because you're post formatting is as bad as your average woman's car driving. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Sigras
Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N
147
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Posted - 2012.08.12 08:13:00 -
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Ikshuki wrote:lol have you ever tried doing a 50 man mining op? assuming you do then you would know it's impossible for orcas to be in range of every miner, in 0.0 you have specialized miners that mines in all directions and meets at the center, it is impossible to provide crystals to everyone in the fleet without having to go to every member individually by then that miner might go half an hour without mining waiting for crystals to be brought to them First of all, one set of crystals lasts on average 6 hours, and you can carry 5 sets of crystals in a hulk, no hauler for half an hour? no problem . . . but you already knew that right?
Second, now mining takes intelligence, you have to assign certain people to certain types of rocks so they can mine away without needing all of the different crystal types, if youre not creative enough to make the system work for you, dont ask the devs to punnish the people who are.
Lastly, Im sick of all the whine threads from people who seem to be too stupid to figure out how the system can work for them and would rather just whine about it on the forums.
Mining is now just like everything else in Eve, it punnishes the lazy and rewards those who take the time to figure the system out and how to make it best work for them. |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
192
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Posted - 2012.08.12 11:19:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Ikshuki wrote:lol have you ever tried doing a 50 man mining op? assuming you do then you would know it's impossible for orcas to be in range of every miner, in 0.0 you have specialized miners that mines in all directions and meets at the center, it is impossible to provide crystals to everyone in the fleet without having to go to every member individually by then that miner might go half an hour without mining waiting for crystals to be brought to them In null, the best belt to cycle can be entirely mined without moving from 2 warpin spots. Anchor GSCs in those spots and fill them with crystals. Tah Dah.
I concur, the wall of text is appalling.
If you want to continue with your style of gameplay, OP, Acquire a Mackinaw or a Skiff and AFK mine without ever having to bot to your hearts desire.
On a Final note, Pipa has siggested some excellent idea's, you should learn to listen before saying anything, even thought this is your thread. |

Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
310
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Posted - 2012.08.12 13:51:00 -
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When eve players talk about how the eve player is smarter than other mmo players, those players can point at threads like this to disprove that point.
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Mallak Azaria
554
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Posted - 2012.08.12 14:53:00 -
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Ikshuki wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was. I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them. lol doesn't use crystals, enough said, i bet you would see my point if you saw how much you can make from T2 cystals and actually used them, don't talk down on things you don't even use enough to know about, T2 crystals has the mining speed of 2 T1 hulks not to mention if you're a 0.0 miner you need at least 4-6 of every null ore in your hulk cargo bay if you want to keep your 0.0 stations running, that's well over 24 crystals with 7 different ore types vs 4 ore types in high sec, what does ccp want us to do crawl over to jetcanned crystals 23-40km away to reload our lasers that may take 10-15 minutes to crawl over to?
You're trying to say too much in 1 sentence. English doesn't work like that. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |

CowNoseTheCat
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:27:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:When eve players talk about how the eve player is smarter than other mmo players, those players can point at threads like this to disprove that point.
Lol, so true... so true. |

Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
353
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Posted - 2012.08.12 15:33:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:I wonder how many threads will appear before CCP takes away the mining barge buff due to all the whining about how terrible the buff was. I for one love the new barges, and will continue to profit from them, oh and btw I don't ever keep crystals in my hulk, I use an or a for them.
This would display the stupidity of the masses.
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Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:44:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:When eve players talk about how the eve player is smarter than other mmo players, those players can point at threads like this to disprove that point.
When discussing averages, one has to keep in mind that half of the people will be stupider than the average. |

Yokai Mitsuhide
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:55:00 -
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Ikshuki wrote:okay CCP has always done things for a reason when they change things but wtf? this new mining system is totally messed up, in my hulk i could have store 6 of Veldspar crystals, 6 of Scordite crystals, 6 of kernite crystals, and 6 of pyroxeres crystals, with this new system, i can't even get 4 of each. I can't even imagine trying to keep crystals in a 0.0 mining alliance right now, i know you don't need much of a cargo with the new ore bays, but at least let us store at least 2,000m3 worth of crystals for the null miners. On top of that why would you make cargo with T1 miners larger than T2 mining barges and encourage players to go solo mining rather than corp mining? Now i do like how you're making it too risky to bot mine with buffed belt rats with weak shielding and regen, but you are destroying the point of even getting a hulk if you're a new player, i had to work my ass off to get to a hulk, so should the new players, this could very well be the 1st phase of ccp's attempt to wowify eve, this is a fraction of what's to come i think, as CCP starts catering to the WoW players that are now flooding eve
Actually, it was a pretty great change to barges/exhumers. Hulk is meant to have support as it is a fleet mining ship. Store crystals in the Orca that should be out there with you. If you're solo mining in a ship that is made for fleet ops you have nothing valid to complain about. |

Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2012.08.12 22:19:00 -
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Might just be me, but i use a Survey Scanner II on my orca tto try to get within 20k of all asteroids in the belt, then i set my hulks to keep the Orca at 2250m. This worked for the 30 man fleets the alliance i was in, it required 3 orcas, one booster/storage one overflow/hauler and one dedicated hauler. All hulks got crystals, no jet canning, no problems. |
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
323
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Posted - 2012.08.12 22:43:00 -
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If these whining threads keep occuring, I hope CCP nerfs mining barges. I'm not a miner and am happy to see miners finally get some love but tards like OP really ruin it for everyone else. Stop complaining and accept what you have now. Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
917
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Posted - 2012.08.12 23:39:00 -
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For what it is worth, blockade runners are great for moving crystals around an op.
You can also fit one in an Orca or Rorqual ship hangar.
A Covert Ops setup for probing / cyno works well too, as all the probing bonused ships have larger than normal cargo because of moon probes being large.
I have the hauler alt swap out of a DST to one of the above as needed.
Example of the T1 version:
[Magnate, Crystal Hauler] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Small Cargohold Optimization I Small Cargohold Optimization I Small Cargohold Optimization I |

Attica
Social Destortion
27
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:07:00 -
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Ikshuki wrote:okay CCP has always done things for a reason when they change things but wtf? this new mining system is totally messed up, in my hulk i could have store 6 of Veldspar crystals, 6 of Scordite crystals, 6 of kernite crystals, and 6 of pyroxeres crystals, with this new system, i can't even get 4 of each. I can't even imagine trying to keep crystals in a 0.0 mining alliance right now, i know you don't need much of a cargo with the new ore bays, but at least let us store at least 2,000m3 worth of crystals for the null miners. On top of that why would you make cargo with T1 miners larger than T2 mining barges and encourage players to go solo mining rather than corp mining? Now i do like how you're making it too risky to bot mine with buffed belt rats with weak shielding and regen, but you are destroying the point of even getting a hulk if you're a new player, i had to work my ass off to get to a hulk, so should the new players, this could very well be the 1st phase of ccp's attempt to wowify eve, this is a fraction of what's to come i think, as CCP starts catering to the WoW players that are now flooding eve
obvious troll is obvious. I award you -3/10 TP's(Troll Points) TROLL HARDER OR GO HOME Pirate tears are yummier than carebear tears for they come from the deeper well of anguish. |

Tassian Marrix
Spatial Interaction Ltd Sentinel Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 02:27:00 -
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You can fit 4 full sets of crystals on a hulk with spares and stupid people still cry. Does anyone have an IQ north of potato anymore? |

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
332
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:30:00 -
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Ikshuki wrote:New Mining System!!! Catering to the Solo Miner? WTF!? I fail to see why this is a problem. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |

Ma'kal
Unrepentant Gaming The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:10:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:When eve players talk about how the eve player is smarter than other mmo players, those players can point at threads like this to disprove that point.
Well we could argue that the OP is one of the few in this thread that has huge walls of text, bad grammar, lack of capitalization . So would that actually show that most Eve players are a bit above average? |

Pipa Porto
706
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:21:00 -
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Ma'kal wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:When eve players talk about how the eve player is smarter than other mmo players, those players can point at threads like this to disprove that point.
Well we could argue that the OP is one of the few in this thread that has huge walls of text, bad grammar, lack of capitalization . So would that actually show that most Eve players are a bit above average?
Only if we're willing to accept the idea that the OP is "average." EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

CorInaXeraL
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
134
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:31:00 -
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Posting to say that when accompanied by an ORCA alt, my mining has never been better. 
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
149
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:58:00 -
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Hard to understand what exactly the OP was complaining about. The wall of text, and complete lack of sentence structure is painful to read. Provided this was meant as a serious post, and not a really bad trolling attempt.
The only real complaint I could get from it was about holding mining crystals in the HULK cargo hold?
First of all why does a HULK need 4-6 of any crystal type? A HULK still fits 3 strips needing one crystal each. A T2 crystal lasts on average about 6 hours, so there is no need for more than 3 of any crystal. This leaves room for 4 sets of 3 plus the set in the strips. That is 5 sets total. In what situation would you need more than this?
Even mining in 0.0 you do not need more than 5 sets of crystals. If you are solo mining you should be cherry picking, you only need crystals for the top 4-5 ores available. If you are mining in fleet, as the HULK is intended for, you will only be mining the ore types you are assigned. This prevents multiple miners targeting the same rocks.
If you do happen to need more crystals than this, keep them in the ORCA, or have your hauler drop of a GSC or jetcan beside you when they pick up the ore. If you do not have an ORCA or Hauler, than you should not be using a HULK. The new Mack is much better suited to solo mining. |

Coronus Vistule
Akakage Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:14:00 -
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afk miners are afk, and botters are botters. just sayin.
can't change your crystals out efficiently if you aren't there to change them and they aren't in your hold.
lol |
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