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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.12 11:12:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:People who are afraid of loss in EVE. Generally they are highly risk-averse as a result, and stick to safe places (the inside of stations, highsec, etc). What does that say about a ganker who refuses to gank my exhumer or Orca if there's "Ignore my ship, just killing belt rats here" Tornado nearby?
there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4295
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Posted - 2012.08.12 11:17:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Andski wrote:there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb Why it's dumb to shoot defenseless ships?
if the "defenseless" ship has a friend in a tornado nearby it's not "defenseless"
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4295
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Posted - 2012.08.12 11:26:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Andski wrote:if the "defenseless" ship has a friend in a tornado nearby it's not "defenseless" Learn to tank your ship then.
hint: if miners tend to have help nearby, you alpha the miners
getting shot at by their friends at that point makes no difference
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4295
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Posted - 2012.08.12 11:34:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Or could it be the fact that you don't have skills to tank Tornado for 20s in destroyer?
okay buddy feel free to show us how easy it is to tank a tornado which two-shots a destroyer at falloff with autocannons
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4295
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Posted - 2012.08.12 11:47:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Andski wrote:okay buddy feel free to show us how easy it is to tank a tornado which two-shots a destroyer at falloff with autocannons Only safe place is on station. Just don't undock if you don't want to lose your ships.
I hear suicide gankers are known for not wanting to lose ships
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4295
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Posted - 2012.08.12 11:54:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Andski wrote:I hear suicide gankers are known for not wanting to lose ships So, why it's so dumb to start ganking if there's Tornado nearby?
I don't really care what conclusion you're trying to lead me to but I'm not going to play your lil game, fly away~
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4295
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Posted - 2012.08.12 12:05:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Andski wrote:I don't really care what conclusion you're trying to lead me to but I'm not going to play your lil game, fly away~ It's risk aversion, is it?
It's prudence, actually, and I'm not going to debate the difference with you.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4295
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Posted - 2012.08.12 12:14:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:It is true. If a "supa dupa l33t murduruz internetz gangsta" avoids PVP that is against his odds that's just simple common sense. When the prey does it, well, that's just dumb and he's got the cooties (AKA "carebearism").
Um, there's a bit of a difference between common sense and outright risk aversion.
Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo."
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4297
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Posted - 2012.08.12 12:21:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Andski wrote:Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo." Mind if i quote that sometime? 
sure why not
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4297
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Posted - 2012.08.12 12:34:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Andski wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:It is true. If a "supa dupa l33t murduruz internetz gangsta" avoids PVP that is against his odds that's just simple common sense. When the prey does it, well, that's just dumb and he's got the cooties (AKA "carebearism"). Um, there's a bit of a difference between common sense and outright risk aversion. Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo." And there's a difference between a "zoo" where you expect to find caged bengal tigers, and the wild where the rabid animals are running rampant looking to ruin lives and collect "tears".
Okay then it's more like common sense being not going into the water at the beach when you see shark fins and blood in the water, risk aversion being refusal to enter the water on a clear day with zero threats in sight. Better?
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4297
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Posted - 2012.08.12 12:43:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Andski wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Andski wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:It is true. If a "supa dupa l33t murduruz internetz gangsta" avoids PVP that is against his odds that's just simple common sense. When the prey does it, well, that's just dumb and he's got the cooties (AKA "carebearism"). Um, there's a bit of a difference between common sense and outright risk aversion. Common sense is what makes you say "no, I'm not going into a cage with 3 hungry bengal tigers." Risk aversion is "no, I'm not going to the zoo." And there's a difference between a "zoo" where you expect to find caged bengal tigers, and the wild where the rabid animals are running rampant looking to ruin lives and collect "tears". Okay then it's more like common sense being not going into the water at the beach when you see shark fins and blood in the water, risk aversion being refusal to enter the water on a clear day with zero threats in sight and a lifeguard saying "dude it's fine, there's 30 people in the water, look." Better? Are you serious? You could use a shark on the beach, a gorilla in the jungle, a lion in the savannah. Your analogy and mine are still the same.
Except your analogy assumes that the "wild" does run rampant with the rabid animals with a taste for tears, based on hearsay. vOv
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4297
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Posted - 2012.08.12 12:52:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:So hi sec PVPers looking for opportunistic kills in hi sec for tears is "hearsay"? There aren't any sharks in the water then? And when miners are advised not to mine due to suicide gankings? Nowhere in hi sec is safe is all a lie? Could your lifeguard be right? There really aren't sharks in the water?
I thought your "wild" analogy referred to low/null. vOv
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4297
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Posted - 2012.08.12 13:04:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Andski wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:So hi sec PVPers looking for opportunistic kills in hi sec for tears is "hearsay"? There aren't any sharks in the water then? And when miners are advised not to mine due to suicide gankings? Nowhere in hi sec is safe is all a lie? Could your lifeguard be right? There really aren't sharks in the water? I thought your "wild" analogy referred to low/null. vOv Does it make a difference?
No, because neither area runs "rampant" with them. There's a difference between "they're around" and "they run rampant."
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4302
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:16:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Doddy wrote:In eve this is best applied to players who stick to hisec Problem is that even if I go to lowsec in covops and campers can't catch me, for pvper's I'm still carebear.
The carebear is the one that jumps into a camped lowsec gate in a mining/mission ship, thinking that the dudes on the gate won't bother with him because he's not looking for a fight, and whining in local when they have his pod tackled, because as it turns out, they aren't quite sympathetic to his wish to carebear in lowsec in peace.
The guy who jumps in in a covops and evades their camp is simply prudent.
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4302
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:21:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Carebear - a derogatory or condescending name used to provoke a player.
Unlike PvP'r, Industrialist, Miner, Market Trader, Mission Runner which actually describes what a person does in game.
Under those terms this could be a personal attack a reportable offence, granted the case would be thin but CCP would not be able to ignore said petition.
In other words it is no different then calling someone one many things that would get you banned or warned in a heart beat.
Funny isn't it, create a new word and you can get away using it for a long time until it becomes excepted.
Once a word is excepted then it falls under the same rules as any other, and as such its usage is bound by society.
So are you all sure you really want to define carebear ?
"Carebear" describes what somebody does in-game. You'll get warned/gagged/banned in a heartbeat for using a derogatory term attacking a player for some immutable characteristic. The way you play the game is not an "immutable characteristic."
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4303
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Posted - 2012.08.12 16:58:00 -
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Spy 21 wrote:Andski wrote:[quote=Jorma Morkkis][quote=Akirei Scytale]
there's a difference between risk aversion and refusing to do something dumb That's debatable and totally a matter of perspective in my view. You may think I'm risk averse because I won't engage your assault ship in my battleship, I might say it's refusal to do something dumb such as risk my billion isk shield booster by engaging a ship that has great dps, is fast with almost no sig radius while I don't have a web or warp scrambler fit AND there are other people in local who very well might be fleetmates of said assault ship. S
That isn't risk aversion.
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