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Posted - 2012.08.12 10:10:00 -
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Tigress Tionese wrote: Does anyone else think that the devs didn't think this through too well?
It's already apparent what effect this is having on the ice market. If the trend continues, soon the only people mining ice will be bots and afk alts.
Actually I think they thought it out very well. Everyone knows the mack is an AFK machine and that there operators are probably not there, now we wait for the effect... Gankers to design an effective and cheap way of killing them on mass.
So Risk vs. Reward.
Yes we will have spikes and drops as things settle down but it will all work out right in the end. As to bots there are a hell of a lot less of them than there used to be.
Yes the mack has become the tool for people who don't want to do much and make isk so the cost of ice will fall, so they get compensated to a lesser degree because they are not there. For people who do want to sit at your keyboard, DON'T ice mine, you don't need to lock new targets or move if you mine ICE so it is worth less per hour. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.12 10:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Tigress Tionese wrote:There's one main reason for this. 35k m3 ore hold, not far below that of an ORCA. A quarter the amount counts as Gǣnot far belowGǥ these days? WowGǪ Now, Now, lets not confuse things with mathematics. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.12 13:22:00 -
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Tikera Tissant wrote:Tigress Tionese wrote: Hulks + Orca? There's a joke, 9% yield is not worth the extra hastle you get from being in a weaker ship with a much smaller ore hold.
Maybe you mean 55% extra yield with orca pilot skills and gank modules? And that is for every ship in the fleet. And you are for some reason keep forgetting the cycle losses from having to go back to the station. 2 hulks+orca = 4 machinaws give or take. You forgot the shield reps you have on the Orca as well. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.12 13:39:00 -
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Tigress Tionese wrote:Tikera Tissant wrote:Tigress Tionese wrote: Hulks + Orca? There's a joke, 9% yield is not worth the extra hastle you get from being in a weaker ship with a much smaller ore hold.
Maybe you mean 55% extra yield with orca pilot skills and gank modules? And that is for every ship in the fleet. And you are for some reason keep forgetting the cycle losses from having to go back to the station. 2 hulks+orca = 4 machinaws give or take. It's assumed that if you're using an orca to boost the hulks then you would be using an orca to boost the macks. 2 max yield hulks + orca is only 9% more yield than 2 max yield macks + orca. The biggest difference is macks hold more than 4 times the ore, far less effort is needed and in paticular when mining ice this far outweighs any benefit you gain from the 9% more yield the hulk setup would give. You can literally leave your computer alone for half an hour while you fill up on ore, allowing you put out far longer mining sessions than you could in a hulk. CCP wanted to do away with there being one best barge, before that was the hulk. All they've achieved is making the mackinkaw the new king barge and entirely crashed the ice market at the same time. The market prices of the hulk and mackinkaw reflect this, their prices have been completely reversed. The new mackinkaw costs the same amount as the old hulk, the new hulk costs the same amount as the old mackinkaw. The market doesn't lie. The majority are mining in Mackinkaws. Why talk about Ice mining the prices are starting to flat line. You make a lot more money mining rocks because its not an afk activity. As to the market, have you considered that as it's a supply an demand market that atm a lot of solo miners are changing ships so the market cost has gone up because of demand? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:36:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Melodee619 wrote:
The influx of bots is already noticeable, in last 4 days ive seen so many bots where before there were none. They come an go to the exact same spot, they act exactly same every time no matter what you do....
You realize they could just be - ignoring you, right? Ahh no, vanity. Yeah any bets on cloaked ships near by or just afk pilots in Macks Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:04:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:LOL I love how miners come to forums an cry to CCP that they are above the rule set an should be hand held. CCP listen an give them that immunity they feel they deserve. Amusing. As for the trolls "trying" to score points... irrelevant. facts are facts, CCP always listen to the ones who complain the most. EG Miners/botters
This is a fact
Jihad they screamed an ranted that waaa we deserve to have our hands held. CCP listened an bang! Concord boost was given.
Forward 3 years, Miners cry an rave that they alone deserve to be protected, it isn't fair they shouldn't have to use their brain cel an actually think to protect themselves.... CCP listens....
After all god forbid, a miner had to NOT mine in high pop systems After all god forbid a miner actually mined in mission belts After all god forbid a Miner actually used Dscan After all god forbid a miner actually talked to others to find out who gankers are an -10 them, so they could see em coming.
After all....oh **** it lol Basically miners dont want self responsibility, they "demand" CCP protect em... :)
100$ says Mission runners will be next, they will work out that miners got what they demanded, an they will say "it isnt fair, we want to be free to mission anywhere we choose in 10b fittings without any risk... lol
As for my little self, I enjoy going after Viators an haulers in general. dont give a damn about loot, kills for tears is payment enough. I would have been more inclined to say subs dropped CCP put in a Concord fix, subs dropped again so CCP put in these awesome barges.
It is CCP's wallet that needs protecting not the miners. Especially as CCP's money mostly comes from Hi-sec miners and mission runners and I will bet the people shelling out real cash for Plex's comes from the same. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:26:00 -
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Tigress Tionese wrote:Melodee619 wrote:CCP always over react, Jihad showed that. Goons have done alot for eve, an Jihad itself made HS "fun".... was sad when CCP over reacted. I agree that they over reacted, the moment they released the first changes on Sisi the were insane, they had to nerf them a few times on Sisi. It's really hard to understand their line of thinking with the mackinkaws ridiculous ore hold size, how could they not see that they were creating an even bigger problem? Isn't this normally where someone chimes in with 'sandbox', the ability to play the game the way you want. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Posted - 2012.08.14 05:19:00 -
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Melodee619 wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:And why does the Mack need to be nerfed? Check Pipa's posts before and right after the 1.2 patch. A lot of "facts" how Mackinaw's tank and ore bay render Skiff's/Procurer's role useless. It makes all the other ships useless, Last night 1 hulk in over 30 macks in 3 hours I found, an today those macks are still botting away an not one single hulk.... That alone says volumes. Naturally enough CCP will say its a feature, because they dont like to be wrong. So they will say Mack was designed to be the new ship of choice for aspirating botters everywhere. Your evidence of botting?
And I can't see CCP changing thing now the server population has grown with the new changes and hell why would they the changes are great. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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