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Apo Lyptica
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Posted - 2010.12.16 06:28:00 -
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wheres faction bc's and tier 2 tech 2 bcs >_< we need more bc's!
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.16 06:30:00 -
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Not till they are balenced.
So what will it be, Faction Drake or T2 Drake.
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Aiwha
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.16 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm Not till they are balenced.
So what will it be, Faction Drake or T2 Drake.
Faction T2 Drake.
Hell
Yes
Gullible
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.16 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Not till they are balenced.
So what will it be, Faction Drake or T2 Drake.
Faction T2 Drake.
Hell
Yes
I will Fraction fit it because after paying for it I don't have enough to fill all the slots.
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2010.12.16 09:41:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.12.16 15:57:00 -
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t2 battlecruisers?
point at command ships
Originally by: CCP Capslock
OH GOD THE TESTING
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helmeo
Caldari Redwaffe
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Posted - 2010.12.16 16:24:00 -
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i think we are missing faction battle cruisers, but wouldn't faction battle cruiser compete with field command ships?
also T2 tier 2 battle cruisers would be interesting, something like a black ops battle cruiser. with jump drive but no portal...
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Absolom Hues
Gallente Trans-Solar Works
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Posted - 2010.12.16 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm Not till they are balenced.
So what will it be, Faction Drake or T2 Drake.
Huh? I believe the Battle Cruiser line is one of the most balanced class of ships flying. _______ Originally by: "Andracin" "you must realize the truth...there is no ship...then you will find that it is not the ship you fly that sucks...it is yourself..."
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2010.12.16 16:40:00 -
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Quote: wheres faction bc's and tier 2 tech 2 bcs >_<
Here's a better question: why do we need more BCs? _________________________________
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.16 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Absolom Hues
Huh? I believe the Battle Cruiser line is one of the most balanced class of ships flying.
With fitting issues for some Frigs, Cruisers, Teir 1 Battlecruiser and a horrible Tier system and bonuses keeping some of them down there is little reason not to use a Battlecrusier in a fight. So many unused ships that are just not useful in both cost and effectiveness makes trhem seem overpowered.
They are unbalenced till they fix the T1 lineup.
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Footoo Rama
Gallente Beyond Control.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:17:00 -
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It appears the 2 intermediate ships do not have this... looking at destroyers and BC's... Not a need imho. Hacs are pretty much better BC's anyway, and you can argue that t3 cruisers are already in this position. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!" |
Absolom Hues
Gallente Trans-Solar Works
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Absolom Hues on 16/12/2010 18:22:16
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Absolom Hues
Huh? I believe the Battle Cruiser line is one of the most balanced class of ships flying.
With fitting issues for some Frigs, Cruisers, Teir 1 Battlecruiser and a horrible Tier system and bonuses keeping some of them down there is little reason not to use a Battlecrusier in a fight. So many unused ships that are just not useful in both cost and effectiveness makes trhem seem overpowered.
They are unbalenced till they fix the T1 lineup.
Oh... you mean tier 1 battlecruisers. Well... who cares? The Tier 2 is much better than the 1, and most people fly these. The tier 2 are very balanced IMHO.
_______ Originally by: "Andracin" "you must realize the truth...there is no ship...then you will find that it is not the ship you fly that sucks...it is yourself..."
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Absolom Hues
Oh... you mean tier 1 battlecruisers. Well... who cares? The Tier 2 is much better than the 1, and most people fly these. The tier 2 are very balanced IMHO.
No I mean the entire T1 lineup. Battlecruisers are unbalenced against the rest of the lineup. There is little reason to fly anything else. They are only balenced against each other.
They are:
* To cheap with T1 Insurence * The do not have fitting issues. * They have better bonuses then most T1 ships.
All together they are the only T1 combat ship worth flying in gangs except the EWAR boats in almost every context. There is a need to balence the T1 lineup as you said most people fly these, period. That needs to change to add some variety to classes that are not Teir 2 Battlecruisers.
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Zilberfrid
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:36:00 -
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I agree, tier 2 BC's need to be balanced, and the tier system removed before any other changes.
Frigates: balance around top tier frigs Cruisers: balance around top tier cruisers Battlecruisers: balance around tier 1 battlecruisers ------------------------------------- I like to fly around and shoot stuff.
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Joss56
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey t2 battlecruisers?
point at command ships
Too long train for those!
Pawns want NAO
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Absolom Hues
Gallente Trans-Solar Works
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Posted - 2010.12.16 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 16/12/2010 18:29:29 No I mean the entire T1 lineup. Battlecruisers are unbalenced against the rest of the lineup. There is little reason to fly anything else. They are only balenced against each other.
I still see fleets of Battleships that are tech 1
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
They are:
* To cheap with T1 Insurence. * The do not have fitting issues. * They have better bonuses then most T1 ships. * Are near as fast as Cruisers. * Have very large tanks.
All together they are the only T1 combat ship worth flying in gangs except the EWAR boats in almost every context. There is a need to balence the T1 lineup as you said most people fly these, period. That needs to change to add some variety to classes that are not Teir 2 Battlecruisers.
So your main complaint is that the Battlecruiser is too good for a Tech 1 ship? That it needs to be balanced with the other tech 1 ships by:
* Making it less insurable? * Giving it fitting issues? * Reducing it's bonuses? * slowing it down? * reducing it's tank?
I don't understand your point. _______ Originally by: "Andracin" "you must realize the truth...there is no ship...then you will find that it is not the ship you fly that sucks...it is yourself..."
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Absolom Hues
Gallente Trans-Solar Works
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Posted - 2010.12.16 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zilberfrid I agree, tier 2 BC's need to be balanced, and the tier system removed before any other changes.
Frigates: balance around top tier frigs Cruisers: balance around top tier cruisers Battlecruisers: balance around tier 1 battlecruisers
What do you think this would gain for the balance? Would this reduce the number of people flying Battlecruiser? Perhaps. Would these people shift to flying tech 1 frigates & cruisers. No.
These people would simply move to a tech 2 class of ship. _______ Originally by: "Andracin" "you must realize the truth...there is no ship...then you will find that it is not the ship you fly that sucks...it is yourself..."
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.16 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Absolom Hues
I still see fleets of Battleships that are tech 1
Not in near the numbers of Teir 2 BC's, they have trouble catching them and are in danger of hotdrop. There cost also doesn't make them near as economical which leads to a much less efective counter while BC's have cruisers and below pretty much covered on all levels.
Originally by: Absolom Hues
So your main complaint is that the Battlecruiser is too good for a Tech 1 ship? That it needs to be balanced with the other tech 1 ships by:
* Making it less insurable? * Giving it fitting issues? * Reducing it's bonuses? * slowing it down? * reducing it's tank?
I don't understand your point.
that would reduce there fun and as you said they are well balenced against each other. I would prefer to see the death of the Teir System and to make Cruisers a more viable option because with the speed tank and firepower of Battlecruisers they are not. I would like to see them have better fitting, bonuses, greater speed and maybe a slight speed reduction to Battlecruisers.
I would also like to see a few more Frigs on the level of the Rifter and a use for the T1 Inties. Face it, the numbers don't lie and if you add up the number of Battlecruisers being flown it dwarfs all other combat ships combined. They are only balanced to each other because most other ships suck.
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Absolom Hues
Gallente Trans-Solar Works
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Posted - 2010.12.16 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Not in near the numbers of Teir 2 BC's, they have trouble catching them and are in danger of hotdrop. There cost also doesn't make them near as economical which leads to a much less efective counter while BC's have cruisers and below pretty much covered on all levels.
The Tech 1 battleship is everybit as insurable as the battlecruiser, so cost isn't an issue. Battleships are NOT the only fleets that get hotdropped, I have seen Tech 3 cruiser fleets get hotdropped which are as agile if not more than battlecruiser fleets... hotdrops happen.
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
that would reduce there fun and as you said they are well balenced against each other. I would prefer to see the death of the Teir System and to make Cruisers a more viable option because with the speed tank and firepower of Battlecruisers they are not. I would like to see them have better fitting, bonuses, greater speed and maybe a slight speed reduction to Battlecruisers.
I would also like to see a few more Frigs on the level of the Rifter and a use for the T1 Inties. Face it, the numbers don't lie and if you add up the number of Battlecruisers being flown it dwarfs all other combat ships combined. They are only balanced to each other because most other ships suck.
If the changes you suggested were implemented, it may reduce the number of battlecruisers being flown, but most of these pilots would not go to a slightly improved cruiser, but would probably force them to fly more battleships, or move up to tech 2 frigates and/or tech 2 & 3 cruisers. _______ Originally by: "Andracin" "you must realize the truth...there is no ship...then you will find that it is not the ship you fly that sucks...it is yourself..."
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.16 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Absolom Hues
The Tech 1 battleship is everybit as insurable as the battlecruiser, so cost isn't an issue.
Not even close, rigs alone are 70-90mil in comparison to 15mil for a BC. Not only that but BC's can escape from a battleship, Battleships don't have that luxury they just die when outgunned.
Originally by: Absolom Hues
Battleships are NOT the only fleets that get hotdropped, I have seen Tech 3 cruiser fleets get hotdropped which are as agile if not more than battlecruiser fleets... hotdrops happen.
And they can can escape much more easily unless the pilot is an idiot.
Originally by: Absolom Hues
If the changes you suggested were implemented, it may reduce the number of battlecruisers being flown, but most of these pilots would not go to a slightly improved cruiser, but would probably force them to fly more battleships, or move up to tech 2 frigates and/or tech 2 & 3 cruisers.
yes making a class more effective means no one will fly it. Faster or more effective Cruisers and Frigs would be flown because they are economical while Battlecruisers would still be used in there current role with 4 more useful BC's.
This notion that everyone will ships up to a more expensive ship because Cruisers and Frig are better is silly. And more variety besides Teir 2 Battlecruisers Online is a good thing.
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Fistme
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Posted - 2010.12.16 21:31:00 -
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I'd like them to fix BCs before they start adding new broken ones. For example, most of the Tier 1 t1 bc lineup is well balanced against each other but the moment you start to compare them to the tier2s it's almost like looking at a t1 and a t2 ship. Tier 2 BCs either need to be nerfed or all t1 ships need a buff.
Honestly i'd be happy if they just got rid of the entire tier system and rebalanced the entire tech 1 linupe
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army
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Posted - 2010.12.16 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Absolom Hues
Battleships are NOT the only fleets that get hotdropped, I have seen Tech 3 cruiser fleets get hotdropped which are as agile if not more than battlecruiser fleets... hotdrops happen.
Hah, I'll raise to a single interceptor. Tell you what, the blackops drop on that crow was one of the most hilarious things I've done recently in the game. We giggled in vent for quite a while.
Even the crow pilot got a good chuckle out of it iirc.
If it can be done, and people are bored enough, it will be done. It is that simple.
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Absolom Hues
Gallente Trans-Solar Works
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Posted - 2010.12.17 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Originally by: Absolom Hues
Battleships are NOT the only fleets that get hotdropped, I have seen Tech 3 cruiser fleets get hotdropped which are as agile if not more than battlecruiser fleets... hotdrops happen.
Hah, I'll raise to a single interceptor. Tell you what, the blackops drop on that crow was one of the most hilarious things I've done recently in the game. We giggled in vent for quite a while.
Even the crow pilot got a good chuckle out of it iirc.
If it can be done, and people are bored enough, it will be done. It is that simple.
Exactly my point.... but according to a previous poster that interceptor must have been an idiot _______ Originally by: "Andracin" "you must realize the truth...there is no ship...then you will find that it is not the ship you fly that sucks...it is yourself..."
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.17 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Absolom Hues
Exactly my point.... but according to a previous poster that interceptor must have been an idiot
yes that totally chances the Fact that tier 2 battlecruisers are flown more then all the other classes of PVP ships combined.
While most of the lower Tier T1's are useless, and the 16 Cruisers don't even have close to the kind of coverage BC's have.
Big slow Battleships are not a very effective counter to there massive numbers.
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Absolom Hues
Gallente Trans-Solar Works
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Posted - 2010.12.17 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
This notion that everyone will ships up to a more expensive ship because Cruisers and Frig are better is silly. And more variety besides Teir 2 Battlecruisers Online is a good thing.
There are more variety then the 4 battlecruisers, perhaps you should try something other than the tech 1 ships? What I am hearing you say... is you want better & more insurable ships. You want a ship that performs closer to the tech 2 & 3's with-out risking the money? There is alot of variety... just need to spend the cash. _______ Originally by: "Andracin" "you must realize the truth...there is no ship...then you will find that it is not the ship you fly that sucks...it is yourself..."
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Headerman
Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.17 03:56:00 -
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Faction Cane:
Moar shields, an extra mid slot, an extra gun turret, slight bump in power and CPU
Faction Myrm: A utility high, an extra low, moar power and CPU
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.17 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Absolom Hues
There are more variety then the 4 battlecruisers, perhaps you should try something other than the tech 1 ships? What I am hearing you say... is you want better & more insurable ships. You want a ship that performs closer to the tech 2 & 3's with-out risking the money? There is alot of variety... just need to spend the cash.
Riiight, so we sould etheir all fly T2 or Battlecruisers and ignore the T1 Cruiser lineup.
No one said anything about overshadowing T2, you have an active imagination.
1 Hurricane 29,346 2 Drake 24,012 3 Vagabond 13,296 4 Zealot 11,800 5 Sabre 10,919 6 Harbinger 10,888
Balence
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Absolom Hues
Gallente Trans-Solar Works
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Absolom Hues on 17/12/2010 16:07:03
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: Absolom Hues
There are more variety then the 4 battlecruisers, perhaps you should try something other than the tech 1 ships? What I am hearing you say... is you want better & more insurable ships. You want a ship that performs closer to the tech 2 & 3's with-out risking the money? There is alot of variety... just need to spend the cash.
Riiight, so we sould etheir all fly T2 or Battlecruisers and ignore the T1 Cruiser lineup.
No one said anything about overshadowing T2, you have an active imagination.
If the changes you desire were implemented (improving Tech 1 cruisers to compete with Battlecruisers) then what would happen to the numbers listed below? Less people flying Hurricanes, Drakes, & Harbies? What would happen to the numbers of those flying T2 ships? Like it or notą it would result in less people flying the below listed ships. Some may want this to happeną but I believe that it would be a negative effect on Eve as a whole. Eve is different than other MMOG in that when one PVPĘs you are risking your assets. In WOW or Star Trek online (or most others) when a player PvPs and loosesą no big deal, just re-spawn with no lasting consequences. In Eve, when you lose a ship and contents, it hurts a little. If you want a better ship, it should hurt a bit more when you lose it. I believe (as you have mentioned) that the BC are popular because the performance versus the risk of losing is the best value of most ship classes. I donĘt want more tech 1 ships that share this same characteristic of good performance versus risk. This would IMHO make Eve more WOW like. If one thinks that Battle Cruiser should be flown less, then I would propose that the performance not be modified, just make them more expensive to lose.
Let me ask you Alaraą why do you mostly fly Battlecruisers? If you want variety, why donĘt you fly Tech 2 or 3 ships in PvP?
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
1 Hurricane 29,346 2 Drake 24,012 3 Vagabond 13,296 4 Zealot 11,800 5 Sabre 10,919 6 Harbinger 10,888
Balence
FYIą ItĘs spelled Balance
_______ Originally by: "Andracin" "you must realize the truth...there is no ship...then you will find that it is not the ship you fly that sucks...it is yourself..."
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Fastbikkel
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha
Originally by: Alara IonStorm Not till they are balenced.
So what will it be, Faction Drake or T2 Drake.
Faction T2 Drake.
Hell
Yes
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Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:18:00 -
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I gotta agree with Alra on this one.
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