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Boxless	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:07:00 - [1] Edited by: Boxless on 16/12/2010 23:08:24 Since I am unable to make a thread on the fansite and ask, I will ask you scholars for the history and the reason that the fansite that starts with a 'K' is censored on this forum, while no KBs or any other language is. I find it astonishing that the name of a fansite is worse than, KBs, as well as any manner of language or illegal RMT url. I am NOT questioning moderation, I am simply asking my fellow players the history that that site has had in relation to EVE-O forums.
Magnus Orin Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:14:00 - [2] you mean **********? Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Boxless I will ask [...] for the history Owner of the site got permabanned from EVE. Details are highly controversial. Discussion always lead to flamewars. One of the simplest anti-flamewar methods was to simply censor the name of the site//pilot. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Magnus Orin you mean ********? yeah. to the OP, the reason is actually related to the T20 incident. I would advise you to search for said incident. --- Quote:** The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:18:00 - [5] It's a good story. It has to do with hacking, free sabre bpos, BoB and developer interference. Ahhhh, the good ol' days. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2010.12.17 00:32:00 - [6] tl;dr CCP t20 uses devhax to give T2 BPOs to BoB, Kugu blows the whistle and gets permabanned for outing a dev character (amongst other things). CCP t20 apologises and removes the BPOs, and gets a slap on the wrist.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite PWNED THEORY	Posted - 2010.12.17 00:59:00 - [7] * Flameburst Precision Light Missile Blueprint * Phalanx Rage Rocket Blueprint * Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint * Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Blueprint * Spike L Blueprint * Sabre Blueprint So that's how BOB conquered half the universe... Free tech II missile BPO ammo and Sabre's
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.12.17 01:43:00 - [8] Could also have to do with the fact that Kug engaged in activity which is considered illegal in many jurisdictions to the detriment of any number of players and hence CCP does their part to keep the plebs away from his site.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Ash Donai Could also have to do with the fact that Kug engaged in activity which is considered illegal in many jurisdictions to the detriment of any number of players and hence CCP does their part to keep the plebs away from his site. Oh, that's nice of them. I wonder what other law-breaking websites ccp censors based on allegations of past criminal activity. What? None? Wow, that's amazing.
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Emperor Cheney Originally by: Ash Donai Could also have to do with the fact that Kug engaged in activity which is considered illegal in many jurisdictions to the detriment of any number of players and hence CCP does their part to keep the plebs away from his site. Oh, that's nice of them. I wonder what other law-breaking websites ccp censors based on allegations of past criminal activity. What? None? Wow, that's amazing. Point one out to them and maybe they will (also remember that EULA doesn't mean law), until you do you really have no basis to rage.
Tom Gerard	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:23:00 - [11] Tom Gerard will investigate this issue on behalf of the EVE community. I'm from the government, I am here to help.
w0rmy Destructive Influence	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:38:00 - [12] Edited by: w0rmy on 17/12/2010 02:37:55 Its their game and their forums. They can remove whoever and whatever they want from it whenever they want. In saying that, the whole incident with it is pretty naff and a tad babyish by CCP. But then again, its always easier to hide a problem than face up to and fix one. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Tom Gerard Tom Gerard will investigate this issue on behalf of the EVE community. I'm from the government, I am here to help. I'm from the government, I am here to help... myself to your stuff. Hate Farmers? Click Here
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.17 03:09:00 - [14] Kugu blows whistle and gets a ban. CCP Dev who breaks the rules gets a slap on the wrist. CCP is real fair.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.12.17 03:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Ash Donai Originally by: Emperor Cheney Originally by: Ash Donai Could also have to do with the fact that Kug engaged in activity which is considered illegal in many jurisdictions to the detriment of any number of players and hence CCP does their part to keep the plebs away from his site. Oh, that's nice of them. I wonder what other law-breaking websites ccp censors based on allegations of past criminal activity. What? None? Wow, that's amazing. Point one out to them and maybe they will (also remember that EULA doesn't mean law), until you do you really have no basis to rage. Rage? Yes, I am OUTRAGED (that is why I just put that in all caps) that you are making a really dumb explanation. raaaaaaaaageeee
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2010.12.17 03:39:00 - [16] Its pretty simple and comes down to, CCP dev handing out BPOs = questionable business practice nothing unlawful. Hacking = a beach of criminal law in many countries. so breaking the law trumps questionable business practice.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.12.17 03:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Magnus Orin you mean **********? What's the point of the censor anyway? All you need to do is quote it to see the heinous word in question. Baffling... Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
CapnKellTainer 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Kugutsumen.	Posted - 2010.12.17 04:34:00 - [18] Edited by: CapnKellTainer on 17/12/2010 04:34:13 He didn't hack anything. He was given access by authorized users to all of the forums he used; what he did was pretty much just metagaming. CCP were upset that they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and filtered out his name in a futile attempt to make it harder for people to know exactly what they did. They will, from time to time, claim it was censored because an obscure character from a Japanese hentai called La Blue Girl has that name, but given that there are characters in game named Niart Epar (read it backward), that's pretty much crap.
Virgin Black 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Kugutsumen.	Posted - 2010.12.17 04:50:00 - [19] Edited by: Virgin Black on 17/12/2010 04:51:45 Originally by: Chesty McJubblies Originally by: Magnus Orin you mean **********? What's the point of the censor anyway? All you need to do is quote it to see the heinous word in question. Baffling... Or you can just join our glorious alliance and say You mean <<<<<<
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.17 07:43:00 - [20] Originally by: AtheistOfFail Kugu blows whistle and gets a ban. CCP Dev who breaks the rules gets a slap on the wrist. CCP is real fair. WasnÆt that dev eventually fired?
Meno Theaetetus Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.12.17 09:17:00 - [21] This is NOT a wiDOT thread.. Can we have our alliance logo now plox?
Lallante Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.17 09:20:00 - [22] Originally by: CapnKellTainer Edited by: CapnKellTainer on 17/12/2010 04:34:13 He didn't hack anything. He was given access by authorized users to all of the forums he used; what he did was pretty much just metagaming. CCP were upset that they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and filtered out his name in a futile attempt to make it harder for people to know exactly what they did. They will, from time to time, claim it was censored because an obscure character from a Japanese hentai called La Blue Girl has that name, but given that there are characters in game named Niart Epar (read it backward), that's pretty much crap. 1/10, try harder. I imagine the reason K stays banned is an attempt to discourage hacking as a method of metagaming. For the average player, that is a good thing, as their forums are less likely to be hacked. For SPAIMASTERS and of course K himself and his fanbois it is a bad thing. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - Reikoku
Hegbard	Posted - 2010.12.17 09:30:00 - [23] The site in question used to be like the wikileaks of EVE. It exposed developer misconduct and just like wikileaks getting their domain censored by the US government, the name of the site got censored here.
Mellona	Posted - 2010.12.17 11:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Lallante Originally by: CapnKellTainer Edited by: CapnKellTainer on 17/12/2010 04:34:13 He didn't hack anything. He was given access by authorized users to all of the forums he used; what he did was pretty much just metagaming. CCP were upset that they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and filtered out his name in a futile attempt to make it harder for people to know exactly what they did. They will, from time to time, claim it was censored because an obscure character from a Japanese hentai called La Blue Girl has that name, but given that there are characters in game named Niart Epar (read it backward), that's pretty much crap. 1/10, try harder. I imagine the reason K stays banned is an attempt to discourage hacking as a method of metagaming. For the average player, that is a good thing, as their forums are less likely to be hacked. For SPAIMASTERS and of course K himself and his fanbois it is a bad thing. It is funny when BOB(IT now) trying to shift the attention to the public, so you want to say that when CCP secretly give free T2 BPOs is nothing but hacking is a big deal? Last time IÆve checked hacking accounts/forums/etc were players responsibility. It seems this is not apply for CCP favourite players/alliance, is that what you want to say?
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.12.17 12:13:00 - [25] 'fansite'... lol kngntsnmen isn't a banned word btw. ~
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.17 12:40:00 - [26] Originally by: w0rmy Edited by: w0rmy on 17/12/2010 02:37:55 Its their game and their forums. They can remove whoever and whatever they want from it whenever they want. In saying that, the whole incident with it is pretty naff and a tad babyish by CCP. But then again, its always easier to hide a problem than face up to and fix one. You must remember that Kugu didn't exposed 1 Dev (T20) characters but then started actively hunting the CCP employees characters and exposed them, forcing the owners to delete them. CCP policy require that if a character get found as being owned by a CCP employee it should be terminated. The employee get to create a new character with the same skills and properties, but all the contacts with former corp and alliance mates or in game friends should be terminated. I would hold a grudge forever with someone doing that to me when I have done nothing wrong. So, exposing T20 was acceptable (even if there are serious doubts on how he has got the info), but then exposing innocents members of CCP staff was way beyond what was bearable.
Darth Felin	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: w0rmy Edited by: w0rmy on 17/12/2010 02:37:55 Its their game and their forums. They can remove whoever and whatever they want from it whenever they want. In saying that, the whole incident with it is pretty naff and a tad babyish by CCP. But then again, its always easier to hide a problem than face up to and fix one. You must remember that Kugu didn't exposed 1 Dev (T20) characters but then started actively hunting the CCP employees characters and exposed them, forcing the owners to delete them. CCP policy require that if a character get found as being owned by a CCP employee it should be terminated. The employee get to create a new character with the same skills and properties, but all the contacts with former corp and alliance mates or in game friends should be terminated. I would hold a grudge forever with someone doing that to me when I have done nothing wrong. So, exposing T20 was acceptable (even if there are serious doubts on how he has got the info), but then exposing innocents members of CCP staff was way beyond what was bearable. CCP discontinued this practice now. For example Seleene is CCP Nozh and it is common knowledge
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:03:00 - [28] Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank kngntsnmen isn't a banned word btw. sounds like the Turkish sister-site of kugu.
Kiram	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:05:00 - [29] Weren't there trojan like dataminers associated with K's site as well which helped him get the info?
RedSplat 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry	Posted - 2010.12.17 15:47:00 - [30] Edited by: RedSplat on 17/12/2010 15:54:11 Hi, you have questions? THIS THREAD WILL SELF DESTRUCT IN 10 9 8 7 It all boils down to this: CCP felt/feels K.com is bad for its PR. At the time of the t20 incident where a CCP employee was caught and exposed as interfering in the game for the direct benefit of Band of Brothers alliance (now IT alliance) CCP reacted to the explosion on the EVE-O forums by censoring his (K's) name, banning his accounts and then created the IA (Independent Affairs) in response to the player backlash to how the situation was dealt with (and the fact it would have never come to light without exposure by another player) Curiously members of BoB proved to be complicit/colluding with T20 in Band of Brother were not banned and remain unpunished. No real attempt to take into account the profits made from the T2 BPO's obtained was made besides deleting them; in those days T20 BPO's were incredibly rare and won by random lottery, this was before invention. K.com still exists to this day and while CCP's public relations, resources and understanding of INTERNET PEOPLE has improved there are still elements at the company that see Mr K as a threat and the T20 event as justifiably a PR disaster- one they dont want current or potential players to know about. Originally by: Kiram Weren't there trojan like dataminers associated with K's site as well which helped him get the info? One moment, I'll get CSI Miami and they can write a GUI in visual basic to find out By the way, K.com is just a bitter vets support group where we can talk about in game events with less signal to noise than the official forums and without being censored by CCP for discussing things they dont want aired. Its the same as every spergy fan site on the net really. [spoiler]Kugu is Julian Assange IRL[/spoiler] Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.

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