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Boxless	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:07:00 - [1] Edited by: Boxless on 16/12/2010 23:08:24 Since I am unable to make a thread on the fansite and ask, I will ask you scholars for the history and the reason that the fansite that starts with a 'K' is censored on this forum, while no KBs or any other language is. I find it astonishing that the name of a fansite is worse than, KBs, as well as any manner of language or illegal RMT url. I am NOT questioning moderation, I am simply asking my fellow players the history that that site has had in relation to EVE-O forums.
Magnus Orin Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:14:00 - [2] you mean **********? Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:17:00 - [3] Originally by: Boxless I will ask [...] for the history Owner of the site got permabanned from EVE. Details are highly controversial. Discussion always lead to flamewars. One of the simplest anti-flamewar methods was to simply censor the name of the site//pilot. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Hounds of Anarchy	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Magnus Orin you mean ********? yeah. to the OP, the reason is actually related to the T20 incident. I would advise you to search for said incident. --- Quote:** The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:18:00 - [5] It's a good story. It has to do with hacking, free sabre bpos, BoB and developer interference. Ahhhh, the good ol' days. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2010.12.17 00:32:00 - [6] tl;dr CCP t20 uses devhax to give T2 BPOs to BoB, Kugu blows the whistle and gets permabanned for outing a dev character (amongst other things). CCP t20 apologises and removes the BPOs, and gets a slap on the wrist.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite PWNED THEORY	Posted - 2010.12.17 00:59:00 - [7] * Flameburst Precision Light Missile Blueprint * Phalanx Rage Rocket Blueprint * Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint * Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Blueprint * Spike L Blueprint * Sabre Blueprint So that's how BOB conquered half the universe... Free tech II missile BPO ammo and Sabre's
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.12.17 01:43:00 - [8] Could also have to do with the fact that Kug engaged in activity which is considered illegal in many jurisdictions to the detriment of any number of players and hence CCP does their part to keep the plebs away from his site.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:19:00 - [9] Originally by: Ash Donai Could also have to do with the fact that Kug engaged in activity which is considered illegal in many jurisdictions to the detriment of any number of players and hence CCP does their part to keep the plebs away from his site. Oh, that's nice of them. I wonder what other law-breaking websites ccp censors based on allegations of past criminal activity. What? None? Wow, that's amazing.
Ash Donai	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Emperor Cheney Originally by: Ash Donai Could also have to do with the fact that Kug engaged in activity which is considered illegal in many jurisdictions to the detriment of any number of players and hence CCP does their part to keep the plebs away from his site. Oh, that's nice of them. I wonder what other law-breaking websites ccp censors based on allegations of past criminal activity. What? None? Wow, that's amazing. Point one out to them and maybe they will (also remember that EULA doesn't mean law), until you do you really have no basis to rage.
Tom Gerard	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:23:00 - [11] Tom Gerard will investigate this issue on behalf of the EVE community. I'm from the government, I am here to help.
w0rmy Destructive Influence	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:38:00 - [12] Edited by: w0rmy on 17/12/2010 02:37:55 Its their game and their forums. They can remove whoever and whatever they want from it whenever they want. In saying that, the whole incident with it is pretty naff and a tad babyish by CCP. But then again, its always easier to hide a problem than face up to and fix one. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Voogru Gallente Massive Damage	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Tom Gerard Tom Gerard will investigate this issue on behalf of the EVE community. I'm from the government, I am here to help. I'm from the government, I am here to help... myself to your stuff. Hate Farmers? Click Here
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.17 03:09:00 - [14] Kugu blows whistle and gets a ban. CCP Dev who breaks the rules gets a slap on the wrist. CCP is real fair.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2010.12.17 03:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Ash Donai Originally by: Emperor Cheney Originally by: Ash Donai Could also have to do with the fact that Kug engaged in activity which is considered illegal in many jurisdictions to the detriment of any number of players and hence CCP does their part to keep the plebs away from his site. Oh, that's nice of them. I wonder what other law-breaking websites ccp censors based on allegations of past criminal activity. What? None? Wow, that's amazing. Point one out to them and maybe they will (also remember that EULA doesn't mean law), until you do you really have no basis to rage. Rage? Yes, I am OUTRAGED (that is why I just put that in all caps) that you are making a really dumb explanation. raaaaaaaaageeee
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2010.12.17 03:39:00 - [16] Its pretty simple and comes down to, CCP dev handing out BPOs = questionable business practice nothing unlawful. Hacking = a beach of criminal law in many countries. so breaking the law trumps questionable business practice.
Chesty McJubblies Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.12.17 03:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Magnus Orin you mean **********? What's the point of the censor anyway? All you need to do is quote it to see the heinous word in question. Baffling... Suggestion: Remove the "new topic" button from everywhere apart from the list of topics section within a subforum. That'd save those with chronic hand/eye coordination some face.
CapnKellTainer 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Kugutsumen.	Posted - 2010.12.17 04:34:00 - [18] Edited by: CapnKellTainer on 17/12/2010 04:34:13 He didn't hack anything. He was given access by authorized users to all of the forums he used; what he did was pretty much just metagaming. CCP were upset that they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and filtered out his name in a futile attempt to make it harder for people to know exactly what they did. They will, from time to time, claim it was censored because an obscure character from a Japanese hentai called La Blue Girl has that name, but given that there are characters in game named Niart Epar (read it backward), that's pretty much crap.
Virgin Black 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Kugutsumen.	Posted - 2010.12.17 04:50:00 - [19] Edited by: Virgin Black on 17/12/2010 04:51:45 Originally by: Chesty McJubblies Originally by: Magnus Orin you mean **********? What's the point of the censor anyway? All you need to do is quote it to see the heinous word in question. Baffling... Or you can just join our glorious alliance and say You mean <<<<<<
Windjammer Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.17 07:43:00 - [20] Originally by: AtheistOfFail Kugu blows whistle and gets a ban. CCP Dev who breaks the rules gets a slap on the wrist. CCP is real fair. WasnÆt that dev eventually fired?
Meno Theaetetus Wildly Inappropriate Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.12.17 09:17:00 - [21] This is NOT a wiDOT thread.. Can we have our alliance logo now plox?
Lallante Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.12.17 09:20:00 - [22] Originally by: CapnKellTainer Edited by: CapnKellTainer on 17/12/2010 04:34:13 He didn't hack anything. He was given access by authorized users to all of the forums he used; what he did was pretty much just metagaming. CCP were upset that they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and filtered out his name in a futile attempt to make it harder for people to know exactly what they did. They will, from time to time, claim it was censored because an obscure character from a Japanese hentai called La Blue Girl has that name, but given that there are characters in game named Niart Epar (read it backward), that's pretty much crap. 1/10, try harder. I imagine the reason K stays banned is an attempt to discourage hacking as a method of metagaming. For the average player, that is a good thing, as their forums are less likely to be hacked. For SPAIMASTERS and of course K himself and his fanbois it is a bad thing. Lall - THE Vocal Minority - Reikoku
Hegbard	Posted - 2010.12.17 09:30:00 - [23] The site in question used to be like the wikileaks of EVE. It exposed developer misconduct and just like wikileaks getting their domain censored by the US government, the name of the site got censored here.
Mellona	Posted - 2010.12.17 11:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Lallante Originally by: CapnKellTainer Edited by: CapnKellTainer on 17/12/2010 04:34:13 He didn't hack anything. He was given access by authorized users to all of the forums he used; what he did was pretty much just metagaming. CCP were upset that they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and filtered out his name in a futile attempt to make it harder for people to know exactly what they did. They will, from time to time, claim it was censored because an obscure character from a Japanese hentai called La Blue Girl has that name, but given that there are characters in game named Niart Epar (read it backward), that's pretty much crap. 1/10, try harder. I imagine the reason K stays banned is an attempt to discourage hacking as a method of metagaming. For the average player, that is a good thing, as their forums are less likely to be hacked. For SPAIMASTERS and of course K himself and his fanbois it is a bad thing. It is funny when BOB(IT now) trying to shift the attention to the public, so you want to say that when CCP secretly give free T2 BPOs is nothing but hacking is a big deal? Last time IÆve checked hacking accounts/forums/etc were players responsibility. It seems this is not apply for CCP favourite players/alliance, is that what you want to say?
OneTimeAt BannedSpank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.12.17 12:13:00 - [25] 'fansite'... lol kngntsnmen isn't a banned word btw. ~
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.12.17 12:40:00 - [26] Originally by: w0rmy Edited by: w0rmy on 17/12/2010 02:37:55 Its their game and their forums. They can remove whoever and whatever they want from it whenever they want. In saying that, the whole incident with it is pretty naff and a tad babyish by CCP. But then again, its always easier to hide a problem than face up to and fix one. You must remember that Kugu didn't exposed 1 Dev (T20) characters but then started actively hunting the CCP employees characters and exposed them, forcing the owners to delete them. CCP policy require that if a character get found as being owned by a CCP employee it should be terminated. The employee get to create a new character with the same skills and properties, but all the contacts with former corp and alliance mates or in game friends should be terminated. I would hold a grudge forever with someone doing that to me when I have done nothing wrong. So, exposing T20 was acceptable (even if there are serious doubts on how he has got the info), but then exposing innocents members of CCP staff was way beyond what was bearable.
Darth Felin	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: w0rmy Edited by: w0rmy on 17/12/2010 02:37:55 Its their game and their forums. They can remove whoever and whatever they want from it whenever they want. In saying that, the whole incident with it is pretty naff and a tad babyish by CCP. But then again, its always easier to hide a problem than face up to and fix one. You must remember that Kugu didn't exposed 1 Dev (T20) characters but then started actively hunting the CCP employees characters and exposed them, forcing the owners to delete them. CCP policy require that if a character get found as being owned by a CCP employee it should be terminated. The employee get to create a new character with the same skills and properties, but all the contacts with former corp and alliance mates or in game friends should be terminated. I would hold a grudge forever with someone doing that to me when I have done nothing wrong. So, exposing T20 was acceptable (even if there are serious doubts on how he has got the info), but then exposing innocents members of CCP staff was way beyond what was bearable. CCP discontinued this practice now. For example Seleene is CCP Nozh and it is common knowledge
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:03:00 - [28] Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank kngntsnmen isn't a banned word btw. sounds like the Turkish sister-site of kugu.
Kiram	Posted - 2010.12.17 13:05:00 - [29] Weren't there trojan like dataminers associated with K's site as well which helped him get the info?
RedSplat 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry	Posted - 2010.12.17 15:47:00 - [30] Edited by: RedSplat on 17/12/2010 15:54:11 Hi, you have questions? THIS THREAD WILL SELF DESTRUCT IN 10 9 8 7 It all boils down to this: CCP felt/feels K.com is bad for its PR. At the time of the t20 incident where a CCP employee was caught and exposed as interfering in the game for the direct benefit of Band of Brothers alliance (now IT alliance) CCP reacted to the explosion on the EVE-O forums by censoring his (K's) name, banning his accounts and then created the IA (Independent Affairs) in response to the player backlash to how the situation was dealt with (and the fact it would have never come to light without exposure by another player) Curiously members of BoB proved to be complicit/colluding with T20 in Band of Brother were not banned and remain unpunished. No real attempt to take into account the profits made from the T2 BPO's obtained was made besides deleting them; in those days T20 BPO's were incredibly rare and won by random lottery, this was before invention. K.com still exists to this day and while CCP's public relations, resources and understanding of INTERNET PEOPLE has improved there are still elements at the company that see Mr K as a threat and the T20 event as justifiably a PR disaster- one they dont want current or potential players to know about. Originally by: Kiram Weren't there trojan like dataminers associated with K's site as well which helped him get the info? One moment, I'll get CSI Miami and they can write a GUI in visual basic to find out By the way, K.com is just a bitter vets support group where we can talk about in game events with less signal to noise than the official forums and without being censored by CCP for discussing things they dont want aired. Its the same as every spergy fan site on the net really. [spoiler]Kugu is Julian Assange IRL[/spoiler] Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Doddy Burning Vendetta	Posted - 2010.12.17 16:04:00 - [31] Its ironic that kugu is now the only decent eve forum left on the net, once you get round the PL love in. Kinda depressing really.
Eavy Meta	Posted - 2010.12.17 16:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Lallante Originally by: CapnKellTainer Edited by: CapnKellTainer on 17/12/2010 04:34:13 He didn't hack anything. He was given access by authorized users to all of the forums he used; what he did was pretty much just metagaming. CCP were upset that they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and filtered out his name in a futile attempt to make it harder for people to know exactly what they did. They will, from time to time, claim it was censored because an obscure character from a Japanese hentai called La Blue Girl has that name, but given that there are characters in game named Niart Epar (read it backward), that's pretty much crap. 1/10, try harder. I imagine the reason K stays banned is an attempt to discourage hacking as a method of metagaming. For the average player, that is a good thing, as their forums are less likely to be hacked. For SPAIMASTERS and of course K himself and his fanbois it is a bad thing. Lallante would know guys, he's hired kugu in the past to hack people's forums.
CapnKellTainer 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Kugutsumen.	Posted - 2010.12.17 18:35:00 - [33] Originally by: Lallante Originally by: CapnKellTainer Edited by: CapnKellTainer on 17/12/2010 04:34:13 He didn't hack anything. He was given access by authorized users to all of the forums he used; what he did was pretty much just metagaming. CCP were upset that they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and filtered out his name in a futile attempt to make it harder for people to know exactly what they did. They will, from time to time, claim it was censored because an obscure character from a Japanese hentai called La Blue Girl has that name, but given that there are characters in game named Niart Epar (read it backward), that's pretty much crap. 1/10, try harder. I imagine the reason K stays banned is an attempt to discourage hacking as a method of metagaming. For the average player, that is a good thing, as their forums are less likely to be hacked. For SPAIMASTERS and of course K himself and his fanbois it is a bad thing. Really Lallante? Really? You're the one that a) hunted down Remedial's login information in the first place, b) "Lallante convo'd me on MSN and offered 5B to login on Rem to offline all goonfleet POS in a system that will soon been lost. Lallente admitted in the convo that he actually logged on Remedial's account on EVE-O from an internet cafe and gave details information of Goonfleet and Remedial EVE wallet information.", which led directly to K and The Mittani joining up in the first place, which led to your alliance getting disbanded in the first place, c) You're just mad that K ended the NDA between the two of you because you were too cheap to pay. Of anyone, anywhere, who could possibly have even a slightly mean thing to say about K - and there are plenty - you are the absolute last person who should ever open his mouth.
h4u1b	Posted - 2010.12.17 18:55:00 - [34] Originally by: Doddy Its ironic that kugu is now the only decent eve forum left on the net, once you get round the PL love in. Kinda depressing really. It used to be ok. Then PL started ****ting up the place. Now it gets on your nerves.
Virgin Black 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Kugutsumen.	Posted - 2010.12.17 19:12:00 - [35] Originally by: Eavy Meta Originally by: Lallante Originally by: CapnKellTainer Edited by: CapnKellTainer on 17/12/2010 04:34:13 He didn't hack anything. He was given access by authorized users to all of the forums he used; what he did was pretty much just metagaming. CCP were upset that they were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and filtered out his name in a futile attempt to make it harder for people to know exactly what they did. They will, from time to time, claim it was censored because an obscure character from a Japanese hentai called La Blue Girl has that name, but given that there are characters in game named Niart Epar (read it backward), that's pretty much crap. 1/10, try harder. I imagine the reason K stays banned is an attempt to discourage hacking as a method of metagaming. For the average player, that is a good thing, as their forums are less likely to be hacked. For SPAIMASTERS and of course K himself and his fanbois it is a bad thing. Lallante would know guys, he's hired kugu in the past to hack people's forums.
Hubris Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.17 19:19:00 - [36] Originally by: h4u1b Originally by: Doddy Its ironic that kugu is now the only decent eve forum left on the net, once you get round the PL love in. Kinda depressing really. It used to be ok. Then PL started ****ting up the place. Now it gets on your nerves. hey nub, :whisper: kugu was PL and it stared out being admin'ed and ran by PL. just as crap heap was a huge BOB fanboi site in the past kugu caters more towards PL supporters, well at least when they are winning. LOL. -
Hubris Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.17 19:26:00 - [37] Edited by: Hubris on 17/12/2010 19:26:12 oh and you can always use tinyurl to make all kinds of links to his site that are not filtered http://tinyurl.com/kuguiscool -
RedSplat 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry	Posted - 2010.12.17 19:45:00 - [38] mmm you can call PL all kinds of names on K.com and nothing will come of it and actual PL members make up a small number of the individuals that read and post there. General atmosphere is pro PL but a good poster is a good poster and gets accolades even if he is extolling how PL got spanked like a bunch of sissies. If you want a more 'serious' experience where really terrible threads dont really exist you can sign up to Foreplay. Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
matarkhan ConHugeCo	Posted - 2010.12.17 20:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian * Flameburst Precision Light Missile Blueprint * Phalanx Rage Rocket Blueprint * Havoc Fury Heavy Missile Blueprint * Bloodclaw Fury Light Missile Blueprint * Spike L Blueprint * Sabre Blueprint So that's how BOB conquered half the universe... Free tech II missile BPO ammo and Sabre's This was pre-invention, when T2 gear was a mint. Hulks were over 1B, and most T2 hulls were beyond the means of the majority of Eve pilots.
Ben Dove	Posted - 2010.12.17 23:36:00 - [40] hahah i put a tinyurl link for kugus site in a post and boom the whole post is gone, not just edited. still a little touchy about kugu there forum mods
Tom Gerard	Posted - 2010.12.17 23:45:00 - [41] Tom Gerard's Offical Report of Findings in regards to the 'K-site' #1 CCP took action following an 'event' which follows logic, an effect was xnaming the 'k-site' #2 CCP took further internal action, which addressed several of the issues that prompted the 'event' #3 CCP seeking to maintain a stable forum for ALL players not just those involved in the 'event' preserves the xname. #4 'K-site' members feel the issue has been addressed, OP is not 'one of them' and simply wishes to troll. TLDR: The OP is a "Bitter Veteran" or as I prefer "Bitter Veterinarian" =P ............................................ Blinding them with brilliance or baffling them with bull****.
Pirokobo Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2010.12.24 04:19:00 - [42] Edited by: Pirokobo on 24/12/2010 04:24:23 Originally by: Ash Donai Could also have to do with the fact that Kug engaged in activity which is considered illegal in many jurisdictions Well I guess we know which side of the map you were on in 2008. Protip, if you offer someone a Wyvren to do something "considered illegal" and then stiff him after the jobs done, you don't get to cry foul about him doing the same thing to you for someone else.
Hairy Belly	Posted - 2010.12.24 04:26:00 - [43] You guys are talking about V... whispers Voldemort?
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.12.24 06:24:00 - [44] Well, I'm glad there are places like SH or K out there to discuss things CCP would otherwise pull under the rug. The last time this was needed was in late summer this year afaik. Or does anyone here really think we'd have this kind of patch this time around? So, Merry Christmas to all of you EveLeakers (and drama-queens) out there support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Ganthritor Minmatar Roswell Project Victimz	Posted - 2010.12.24 07:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Darth Felin CCP discontinued this practice now. For example Seleene is CCP Nozh and it is common knowledge Your "common knowledge" is quite off. Seleene used to be CCP Abathur (the guy with the good supercarrier changes), CCP Nozh then canned all that just to reintroduce them some weeks after Dominion release under his own name. Seleene himself isn't working for CCP anymore and thus currently again a "regular" player dwelling on memories of past grandeur in the revived MC alliance. Oh, and really... Of all the people, Lallante? There aren't enough ironycats out there.
Minjor Carn 54th Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry Kugutsumen.	Posted - 2010.12.26 03:07:00 - [46] Edited by: Minjor Carn on 26/12/2010 03:09:20 Kngn thread, best thread.
Shuckstar Gallente Hauling hogs	Posted - 2010.12.27 05:13:00 - [47] Originally by: AtheistOfFail Kugu blows whistle and gets a ban. CCP Dev who breaks the rules gets a slap on the wrist. CCP is real fair. You are going to fast! Wait five minutes and try again.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2010.12.27 05:36:00 - [48] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Boxless I will ask [...] for the history Owner of the site got permabanned from EVE. Details are highly controversial. Discussion always lead to flamewars. One of the simplest anti-flamewar methods was to simply censor the name of the site//pilot. Your crystal ball is accurate... Flames away!

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