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Yukon Kornelius	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:44:00 - [1] Edited by: Yukon Kornelius on 16/12/2010 23:55:45 Well, my new bond offering is back from the underwriters and here it is. Happy mushing, Yukon Kornelius. ------------------------------------------- Silver & Gold corporation 5 billion ISK bond offering at 12% monthly interest: 1) Details 2) About Me 3) Business Models 3.1) Misfit Merchandiser 3.2) Trading Posts 3.3) Peppermint Mine 4) Returns 4.1) Payment methods 5) Exit Strategy 5.1) Eaten by Bumble 6) Paradox of collateral 7) Risks 8) Regrets 9) Q & A 10) Why should you invest with me? 11) Why should you not invest with me? 12) Edit History +++++++++++++++ 1) Details: Bonds shares available: 1,000 Face value per bond share: $5 million each. Interest: 12% monthly base. Total value of bond offering: $5 Billion ISK Bond begins: As soon as filled. Maturity: 180 days planned (PLEASE NOTE: A buyout clause become exercisable after 90 days) Maximum Bond Shares Per Person during first week of offering: 200 Collateral offered: None. (Due to the paradox of collateral, see #6 below.) Date of issuance: TBA Date of planned maturity: TBA (180 days from date of issuance) Reserved: Bond Shares Left: 1,000
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Magnus Orin Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.12.16 23:54:00 - [6] - this space for rent - Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Yukon Kornelius	Posted - 2010.12.17 00:28:00 - [7] And hereÆs one more secret document that someone sent me. Yukon ------------- TO: NEW EDEN MEDICAL LABS, BOARD OF DIRECTORS CONFIDENTIAL: SUGGESTED RESPONSES TO ALPHA CLONE SECURITY BREACH By now you are certainly aware of the recently discovered, but long-running, security breach in our Alpha grade clone department. To recap: one of our former employees found a way to create new beings using dormant Alpha grade clones and synthetic personality engrams. Since the employee involved fled before questioning, we do not know what his motives were. As far as dealing with the pilots he created, our legal team has reached the following conclusion. For all intents and purposes the synthetic personalities created by this individual are now full-fledged citizens of New Eden with all the rights that are accorded to normal citizens and are able to chart their own destiny as long as they maintain a valid PilotÆs License. They are no different in this regard than any other pilot. In fact many of them have already gone on to become pillars of society. While the problem may have been widespread, it was apparently relatively benign. For the most part these synthetic personalities are either unaware of their true origin or unwilling to admit to it. In the rare cases where a synthetic pilot discovers his origins and publicly claims to have been created from a synthetic engram, he is mercilessly assailed as being an ôaltö, a scammer, or both. Because the very idea of synthetic personalities is so unbelievable, there is nothing to be gained from reporting this breach to Concord as that would only serve to undermine confidence in the cloning process and subject us to unwanted scrutiny. Instead, I recommend that we seek to locate the perpetrator, who we believe has gone planetside, obtain his source code and holograms, and attempt to monetize this process for our own financial gain. Any and all allegations about this breach should of course be vehemently denied and dismissed as being absurd. Respectfully, [REDACTED]
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2010.12.17 01:07:00 - [8] Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 17/12/2010 01:08:06 Failure bond Your previous bond. Simply reposting your bond in a new thread because the last one failed doesn't change the fact that it's a failure of a bond. From what I can see all you've changed is hiking the interest rate from 8% to 12% - still no audit, still no collateral, still the same 5 billion isk and still all the nonsense talk.
Yukon Kornelius	Posted - 2010.12.17 01:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Caldariftw123 Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 17/12/2010 01:08:06 Failure bond Your previous bond. Simply reposting your bond in a new thread because the last one failed doesn't change the fact that it's a failure of a bond. From what I can see all you've changed is hiking the interest rate from 8% to 12% - still no audit, still no collateral, still the same 5 billion isk and still all the nonsense talk. Nice to see you back Mr. random named dude, Well sure it may look like the same bond to you but it's not. First off, I'm curious, are you implying that changing the interest rate from 8% to 12% is a "small" or insignificant change? You may say that a 50% increase in return is chicken feed, but I say it's just adjusting the terms of the bond to provide a return that is more reasonable given my "lack of information" and "nonsense talk." Besides, in this bond there's also a penalty clause that affects only me if I trigger the buyout. When/if that happens all investors get paid back all scheduled interest payments for the duration of the bond, in addition to their principal of course! And I have given you more information about what I do. Besides the peppermint mine I am a "Misfit Merchandiser" and also stock up a few trading posts where I sell life sustaining supplies. You really don't get it do you? I'm Yukon Kornelius, the greatest prospector in the North!
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.17 01:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Yukon Kornelius You really don't get it do you? I'm Yukon Kornelius, the biggest dumbass in MD! Tell us something we don't know. Give it up, you won't get a single ISK with your ******ed talk, but then again you don't want ISK, you just want to continue wasting everyone's time.
Yukon Kornelius	Posted - 2010.12.17 01:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Yukon Kornelius You really don't get it do you? I'm Yukon Kornelius, the biggest dumbass in MD! Tell us something we don't know. Give it up, you won't get a single ISK with your ******ed talk, but then again you don't want ISK, you just want to continue wasting everyone's time. Now Breaker, why do you have to get all mean and nasty and start the name calling? Is it that hard being a self appointed member of The MDPD? Or do you just cringe at the thought that someone might invest because they can't resist my personality? Or my admittedley generous , but fair, 12% rate? I'm Yukon Kornelius, the greate..... sorry, hardwired I guess http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a0a3EzDnKU&feature=related
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2010.12.17 01:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Yukon Kornelius Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Yukon Kornelius You really don't get it do you? I'm Yukon Kornelius, the biggest dumbass in MD! Tell us something we don't know. Give it up, you won't get a single ISK with your ******ed talk, but then again you don't want ISK, you just want to continue wasting everyone's time. Now Breaker, why do you have to get all mean and nasty and start the name calling? Is it that hard being a self appointed member of The MDPD? Or do you just cringe at the thought that someone might invest because they can't resist my personality? Or my admittedley generous , but fair, 12% rate? I'm Yukon Kornelius, the greate..... sorry, hardwired I guess http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a0a3EzDnKU&feature=related Nothing but a troll/scammer wannabe. That's right, wannabe. Trying too hard, mr tryhard. Get a life.
Scott McClellan Forum Posters Anonymous	Posted - 2010.12.17 01:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Caldariftw123 Trying too hard, mr tryhard. Get a life. OK, I raffed and rossed.
Yukon Kornelius	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Caldariftw123 Nothing but a troll/scammer wannabe. That's right, wannabe. Trying too hard, mr tryhard. Get a life. Let me ask you a simple question kind sir, I've been running my solo corp quite well for over 2 1/2 years, and I have learned every trade skill to the highest level. Do you not think me capable of making 20% profit on 5 billion ISK per month? Mush, Yukon K
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Yukon Kornelius I have learned every trade skill to the highest level. Proof? Quote: Do you not think me capable of making 20% profit on 5 billion ISK per month? API verifiable wallet transactions showing that you do indeed know what you are doing and can make a profit?
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:24:00 - [16] Originally by: Yukon Kornelius Originally by: Caldariftw123 Nothing but a troll/scammer wannabe. That's right, wannabe. Trying too hard, mr tryhard. Get a life. Let me ask you a simple question kind sir, I've been running my solo corp quite well for over 2 1/2 years, and I have learned every trade skill to the highest level. Do you not think me capable of making 20% profit on 5 billion ISK per month? Mush, Yukon K I, too, can claim to have trillions of isk and single handedly control the entire caldari navy raven contracting market () but as has been said before .. proof or gtfo.
Yukon Kornelius	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Yukon Kornelius I have learned every trade skill to the highest level. Proof? I wish I could give you proof kind sir, but sadly the certificate program does not allow for the verification of all skills. That being said, if you open my information window and click on decorations, you will see that I have Business Mogul Elite and Business Tycoon Elite. Those certificates verify that the following skills are trained to level V. Business Mogul Elite: Trade V Broker Relaions V Marketing V Business Tycoon Elite: Wholesale V Retail V Procurement V Margin Trading V Day Trading V Accounting IV and of course, Tycoon V Of the remaining trade skills all are trained to V with the exception of Corporate Contracting. Since I do no trades that involve corporate contracts, this skill has not been needed. My apologies for not pointing this out sooner. Mush! Yukon K
Yukon Kornelius	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Caldariftw123 Originally by: Yukon Kornelius Originally by: Caldariftw123 Nothing but a troll/scammer wannabe. That's right, wannabe. Trying too hard, mr tryhard. Get a life. Let me ask you a simple question kind sir, I've been running my solo corp quite well for over 2 1/2 years, and I have learned every trade skill to the highest level. Do you not think me capable of making 20% profit on 5 billion ISK per month? Mush, Yukon K I, too, can claim to have trillions of isk and single handedly control the entire caldari navy raven contracting market () but as has been said before .. proof or gtfo. Dear Sir, Your remark would be relevant IF I was claiming to control trillions of ISK or the Caldari Navy. However I am not. I am only claiming to be able to trade succesfully with a profit margin of at least 20% per month. Given my verifiable trade skills even the most hardened skeptic would at least concede me that ability. Mush! Yukon. P.S. I also claim that The Bumble can't swim.
Caldariftw123	Posted - 2010.12.17 02:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Yukon Kornelius Originally by: Caldariftw123 Originally by: Yukon Kornelius Originally by: Caldariftw123 Nothing but a troll/scammer wannabe. That's right, wannabe. Trying too hard, mr tryhard. Get a life. Let me ask you a simple question kind sir, I've been running my solo corp quite well for over 2 1/2 years, and I have learned every trade skill to the highest level. Do you not think me capable of making 20% profit on 5 billion ISK per month? Mush, Yukon K I, too, can claim to have trillions of isk and single handedly control the entire caldari navy raven contracting market () but as has been said before .. proof or gtfo. Dear Sir, Your remark would be relevant IF I was claiming to control trillions of ISK or the Caldari Navy. However I am not. I am only claiming to be able to trade succesfully with a profit margin of at least 20% per month. Given my verifiable trade skills even the most hardened skeptic would at least concede me that ability. Mush! Yukon. P.S. I also claim that The Bumble can't swim. Missing the point, much? Troll/scammer/tryhard. Noone will give you isk, this is just a silly thread by a silly boy.
Yukon Kornelius	Posted - 2010.12.17 03:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Caldariftw123 Missing the point, much? Troll/scammer/tryhard. Noone will give you isk, this is just a silly thread by a silly boy. Respectfully sir, I fear it is you who are missing the point. My claims are logical and incremental while your example is fantastic and illogical. I claimed to have all trade skills with the exception of coporate contracting trained to V. My public certificates show that I do in fact have Business Mogul Elite and Business Tycoon Elite. Is it such a stretch to believe that my other trade skills are at V also? Is it really such a hard thing to make a 1 billion profit off of 5 billion ISK in the course of a month? To me its as easy as falling off a log. It is not as if I am claiming to control the Caldari Navy is it? Or do you think that the ways of the trader are so esoteric, so super sekrit, and so difficult, that a full API audit is needed to back up the apparently audacious claim of a 20% target profit? Regards, Yukon K
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2010.12.17 03:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Yukon Kornelius Originally by: Caldariftw123 Missing the point, much? Troll/scammer/tryhard. Noone will give you isk, this is just a silly thread by a silly boy. Respectfully sir, I fear it is you who are missing the point. My claims are logical and incremental while your example is fantastic and illogical. I claimed to have all trade skills with the exception of coporate contracting trained to V. My public certificates show that I do in fact have Business Mogul Elite and Business Tycoon Elite. Is it such a stretch to believe that my other trade skills are at V also? Is it really such a hard thing to make a 1 billion profit off of 5 billion ISK in the course of a month? To me its as easy as falling off a log. It is not as if I am claiming to control the Caldari Navy is it? Or do you think that the ways of the trader are so esoteric, so super sekrit, and so difficult, that a full API audit is needed to back up the apparently audacious claim of a 20% target profit? Regards, Yukon K With the ammount of traders arround making 20% margin is not easy its not that common for station trading lol. you will also need to go thru a lot of volume of goods to get that going so you can easily make the 20% of the 5 bill investement but you need to be constantly playing or botting XD, so how mny ours a day you spend trading then >?
Yukon Kornelius	Posted - 2010.12.17 03:44:00 - [22] Originally by: Strrog With the ammount of traders arround making 20% margin is not easy its not that common for station trading lol. you will also need to go thru a lot of volume of goods to get that going so you can easily make the 20% of the 5 bill investement but you need to be constantly playing or botting XD, so how mny ours a day you spend trading then >? Botting? Never! I only make an honest profit. To answer your question I would say my trading enterprises average 2 to 3 hours per day where I'm awake and an hour or so a day where I just set the Obelisk on autopilot. Of course when I'm flying around I'm also entering station based orders so its your basic multi pronged attack to ISK making. Regards, Yukon K
Rule18	Posted - 2010.12.17 04:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Yukon Kornelius Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Yukon Kornelius You really don't get it do you? I'm Yukon Kornelius, the biggest dumbass in MD! Tell us something we don't know. Give it up, you won't get a single ISK with your ******ed talk, but then again you don't want ISK, you just want to continue wasting everyone's time. Now Breaker, why do you have to get all mean and nasty and start the name calling? Is it that hard being a self appointed member of The MDPD? Or do you just cringe at the thought that someone might invest because they can't resist my personality? Or my admittedley generous , but fair, 12% rate? I'm Yukon Kornelius, the greate..... sorry, hardwired I guess http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a0a3EzDnKU&feature=related I'm new to Eve myself and have picked up regional station trading. I am averaging 4-6% daily returns with almost no market skills. I loved reading the bond but the return is too low for me to consider it. (Almost worth 5mil isk in entertainment value :-P) My question is: Why not provide a limited API key? It would take a mere fraction of the time you've spent defending this position and would generate investment. Again, I'm new to Eve, you may be a troll/scammer or you may be the fabled Yukon Cornelius; my judgement is reserved.
Ami Nia Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.17 04:26:00 - [24] Having all trading skills at V means nothing. It's knowing how to use them that is meaningful. If you know how to use them well, you have made more than 5bil in the time it took you to train them. Telling us you trade on a freighter doesn't make things look good. But we can also see this from another point of view: getting 20% a month out of 5bil is harder than getting 2000% a month out of 5mil. So maybe you could try asking for 5mil and promising a 1000% return. That'll make you look a better investment indeed. I may invest. Maybe even tip you with some of my New Moon Industries shares.
Brock Nelson Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.	Posted - 2010.12.17 04:36:00 - [25] Get an audit, prove that you indeed are making 20% per day. Otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time here. That attitude isn't gonna get you a single isk Originally by: Brock Nelson OP's question is translated as: Help, I'm a female stuck in a man's body, can Incarna help?
Rule18	Posted - 2010.12.17 04:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Brock Nelson Get an audit, prove that you indeed are making 20% per day. Otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time here. That attitude isn't gonna get you a single isk That's another interesting point, 20% daily returns were claimed but later when he assessed his negative financial incentive, he lumped his 20% profits in with the 12% monthly he promised his shared holders. (12% monthly and 12% daily are very different) Why would he combine them, confused? mistype? scam?
Brock Nelson Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.	Posted - 2010.12.17 04:59:00 - [27] My mistake, I didn't read that right. Of course it isn't hard to make 1b per month with only 5b but my point is that if people are gonna invest in something, they want proof that the person involved has experience doing so. Originally by: Brock Nelson OP's question is translated as: Help, I'm a female stuck in a man's body, can Incarna help?
Rule18	Posted - 2010.12.17 05:04:00 - [28] I agree completely and am curious to know why he refuses to show the all of 5-minutes-transparency requested. As understandable as it is that 20% is attainable, who's to say the isk isn't going elsewhere? I submit that Yukon prefers forum attention to capital generation but hey, fun readings! Originally by: Yukon Kornelius Originally by: Caldariftw123 Missing the point, much? Troll/scammer/tryhard. Noone will give you isk, this is just a silly thread by a silly boy. Respectfully sir, I fear it is you who are missing the point. My claims are logical and incremental while your example is fantastic and illogical. I claimed to have all trade skills with the exception of coporate contracting trained to V. My public certificates show that I do in fact have Business Mogul Elite and Business Tycoon Elite. Is it such a stretch to believe that my other trade skills are at V also? Is it really such a hard thing to make a 1 billion profit off of 5 billion ISK in the course of a month? To me its as easy as falling off a log. It is not as if I am claiming to control the Caldari Navy is it? Or do you think that the ways of the trader are so esoteric, so super sekrit, and so difficult, that a full API audit is needed to back up the apparently audacious claim of a 20% target profit? Regards, Yukon K
Yukon Kornelius	Posted - 2010.12.17 05:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Brock Nelson Get an audit, prove that you indeed are making 20% per day. Otherwise you're just wasting everyone's time here. That attitude isn't gonna get you a single isk Whoaaa there big fella! I never claimed to make 20% profit PER DAY! I said that that I could make 20% profit in a MONTH. as in, Quote: I've been running my solo corp quite well for over 2 1/2 years, and I have learned every trade skill to the highest level. Do you not think me capable of making 20% profit on 5 billion ISK per month? Rule18 is correct in that I am claiming to be able to make 20% profit off of 5 billion in a month not a day. That is my conservative estimate and I expect profit to be even higher. Just so were perfectly clear I'll say it a different way. If given $5 billion ISK in capital, I will be able to conservatively make $1 billion in total profits over the course of one month. This equals a 20% profit on the funds invested. In this case 600 million would be returned to investors via a dividend and the surplus of 400 million would be reinvested/rolled over into the next months trading funds. Ok, glad we cleared that up! 20% Profit per MONTH, Yukon K.
Rule18	Posted - 2010.12.17 05:28:00 - [30] Still not addressing my question, why no API key?

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