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Zero Causation
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Posted - 2010.12.17 15:52:00 -
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Approaching 90 mil skill points on an Amarr combat pilot. Every single skill dealing with combat for an Amarr pilot sub-Titan is maxed out completely. It's seems if all I want to be is the best Amarr combat pilot I can be, I'm done skill training.
The only options left for a combat pilot that maxes one race seems to be to just start training another race. That doesn't sound very appealing and quite boring. Maybe we need more combat skills and or a level 6 for a lot of them? Specialization should keep going and not level off everyone at the same place so quickly.
Thoughts?
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Manfred Rickenbocker
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.12.17 15:58:00 -
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One word: Certificates.
What else says "I have the most shinyies of everyone!" more than being able to stick it in your profile? Get all those Amarr-everything certs to Elite! Also, if you havent, drones/missiles/shields also applies for Amarr as well. Finally, if you want to be the best Amarr you can be, you cant forgo those delicious delicious faction ships!
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.17 15:59:00 -
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level 6 sounds stupid, make a 'level x' instead
 Originally by: Kool StoryBro
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Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Rickenbocker
One word: Certificates.
That has to be the worse suggestion for playing a game. Just like the crappy old achievements in WoW, although in WoW at least you had to do something to achieve them, in Eve all you do is wait.
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SkinSin
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos
level 6 sounds stupid, make a 'level x' instead
It quite clearly needs to go to 11!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:03:00 -
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Amarr-specialised Industry alt? Make your own shinies on a second character and become your own self-contained economyà 
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:24:00 -
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There is more to eve than Amarr!
But I can understand the op, I have gotten to the point on one of my chars where the only thing left to train is a supercap which I am strongly against
We need more ships!!
Originally by: Kool StoryBro
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Miriam Letisse
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:33:00 -
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Even though the benefit is negligible, shield skills still have an effect on Amarr ships. Train those to the max! If you haven't already.
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Roxanna Kell
V.O.I.D.
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:36:00 -
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Ship spec skills for all sub cap skills could keep people busy.
Example:
Raven specialisation
Rank: 14
Bonus: 2% shield resistance per lvl
Megathron specialisation
Rank: 14
Bonus: 2% armor repair per lvl
Raptor specialisation:
Ran: 10
Bonus: 2% afterburner speed per lvl
No spec for t2. This skills take a long time so spec can be rewarded instead of jacking up all races.
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Miriam Letisse
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
No spec for t2. This skills take a long time so spec can be rewarded instead of jacking up all races.
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Raptor specialisation:
huh?
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Zero Causation
Approaching 90 mil skill points on an Amarr combat pilot. Every single skill dealing with combat for an Amarr pilot sub-Titan is maxed out completely. It's seems if all I want to be is the best Amarr combat pilot I can be, I'm done skill training.
The only options left for a combat pilot that maxes one race seems to be to just start training another race. That doesn't sound very appealing and quite boring. Maybe we need more combat skills and or a level 6 for a lot of them? Specialization should keep going and not level off everyone at the same place so quickly.
Thoughts?
Gratz..you just won EVE.
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Khorian
Gallente
Versatech Co.
Blade.
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:47:00 -
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How often have we heard from new players: But you have 100 mill SP, how am I ever gonna catch up? And you have to reply: It doesn't matter how much SP anyone has, eventually if you invest the time to learn the skills you will be as good as the 100 mill SP guy with your 20mill SP. Because no one EVER uses all his available skills at the same time, EVER.
So no, keeping specializing more and more wont happen. What you should do is either start another char on the same account and consider this one "finished" or do as most other pvp people do and crosstrain for the other 3 races to be able to fly all ships to their fullest potential.
There really is nothing better than not having to worry about what ships you might have available for use, because you can just hopp into any of them and use them.
my 2cc
You decide.
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Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.17 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Khorian
There really is nothing better than not having to worry about what ships you might have available for use, because you can just hopp into any of them and use them.
Very true, but if someone is role-playing more then this becomes less of an acceptable option.
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Corvus Dove
Caldari
Event Horizon Plc.
Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.12.17 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Keira Matrix
Originally by: Khorian
There really is nothing better than not having to worry about what ships you might have available for use, because you can just hopp into any of them and use them.
Very true, but if someone is role-playing more then this becomes less of an acceptable option.
Not really. Learning the enemy's tech, trainign to be a spy, all sorts of RP opportunities there.
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Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
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Posted - 2010.12.17 17:40:00 -
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EvE is one of those funny games where SP/Level doesnt matter that much. A 5-10mio SP pilot can easily beat a 200mio SP pilot. Because it all comes down to modules layout and human skills.
Also I am sure you can spend more Sps than anyone got and will have the next 5-10 years. Even if you only train race+neutral skills.
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Keira Matrix
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Posted - 2010.12.17 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
Originally by: Keira Matrix
Originally by: Khorian
There really is nothing better than not having to worry about what ships you might have available for use, because you can just hopp into any of them and use them.
Very true, but if someone is role-playing more then this becomes less of an acceptable option.
Not really. Learning the enemy's tech, trainign to be a spy, all sorts of RP opportunities there.
That's true but by opening up those possibilities you are also closing some which can never be opened again with that same character.
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Zero Causation
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Posted - 2010.12.17 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Miriam Letisse
Even though the benefit is negligible, shield skills still have an effect on Amarr ships. Train those to the max! If you haven't already.
Ya, I even have shield skills maxed, drones etc. Basically anything that is even remotely combat related to even Amarr I have trained. The only option to just cross train other races ships/weapons doesn't sound very exciting.
I remember starting out in EvE thinking man, there is no way to catch up to those 2003 players! As a 2005 player though, I find it was not only fairly easy to catch up, the difference between a 90M SP skill level and a 30M skill level is very small if both specialized in the same thing. I have even trained Amarr cap ships which I never use just because I ran out of things to train!
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OneTimeAt BannedSpank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.12.17 18:05:00 -
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Have you got all those booster and thermodynamics skills maxed out too?
How about Titans!
Honestly cross training might sound boring to you but to me it means more choice. If it's for roleplay reasons then maybe you need to be able to fly Minmatar ships in order to commandeer slave heretics vessels 
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Witcher
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2010.12.17 18:08:00 -
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bull****, im also pure amarr combat pilot and have over 100 mil and still have **** loads of stuff to train.
your drones should be maxed out as these are generic support skills, all relevant support skills should be maxed out as well, for one jump portal generation should be level 5 rank 14 skill for titan, do you have that at 5 ?
some people are just stupid and refuse to think before posting on forum
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T'arho
Sukri Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.17 19:08:00 -
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^^ and some people are easily butthurt 
Originally by: Schwa88
Edited by: Schwa88 on 04/11/2010 04:50:53
This thread has made my head asplode.
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Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2010.12.17 19:21:00 -
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Only flying amar will leave you with not many options in certain combat situations, train up another race as well.
Quote:
I have gotten to the point on one of my chars where the only thing left to train is a supercap which I am strongly against
lols as if
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Zero Causation
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Posted - 2010.12.17 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Zero Causation on 17/12/2010 22:44:27
Originally by: Witcher
bull****, im also pure amarr combat pilot and have over 100 mil and still have **** loads of stuff to train.
your drones should be maxed out as these are generic support skills, all relevant support skills should be maxed out as well, for one jump portal generation should be level 5 rank 14 skill for titan, do you have that at 5 ?
some people are just stupid and refuse to think before posting on forum
Really? That's the best you can come up with? My drones and relevant support skills are all maxed. Titan level 5? I've already said in the original post that I don't have nor care to have a Titan skill. I am a low-sec max-skill Amarr PvP'er, Titan would be a complete waste of time.
Just stupid? I am suppose to take advice from a "Amarr PvP'er" that has 7 total kills in the last two years? You better slow down there, you might get worn out from all that PvP!
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.17 22:57:00 -
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Did you have fun flying the new Amarr ships when you got them?
Do you really think the other races have no fun ships to fly?
Originally by: Khorian
There really is nothing better than not having to worry about what ships you might have available for use, because you can just hopp into any of them and use them.
my 2cc
You decide.
We have the same two cents.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.12.17 23:01:00 -
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Stop training.
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Generals4
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Posted - 2010.12.17 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zero Causation
Approaching 90 mil skill points on an Amarr combat pilot. Every single skill dealing with combat for an Amarr pilot sub-Titan is maxed out completely. It's seems if all I want to be is the best Amarr combat pilot I can be, I'm done skill training.
The only options left for a combat pilot that maxes one race seems to be to just start training another race. That doesn't sound very appealing and quite boring. Maybe we need more combat skills and or a level 6 for a lot of them? Specialization should keep going and not level off everyone at the same place so quickly.
Thoughts?
While cross training might seem "pointless" you could always go for those Pirate faction ships.
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IcE DeX
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Posted - 2010.12.17 23:27:00 -
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hey,
crosstrain sounds boring but it isnt, as you are a pure pvp amarr charakter you could start training for gallente for example.
the mega or hyp are some real awesome ships i can just recommend to try them :).
The other option is try to skill for trading or building which can be very nice too.
Thats all options you have atm, if thats not fine for you you could start a new charakter or take a break of eve i think ;/.
Hope that helped a bit
your damn cold IcE
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Rykuss
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Posted - 2010.12.18 00:24:00 -
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Firstly, congratulations for achieving your goal.  Have you considered training non-combat skills to become a more well rounded Amarr citizen? How about your allies combat skills? Although I'm nowhere near achieving my goal of training all things Gallente, I can see myself being in your shoes someday. Forunately, I've already decided to cross train into Minmatar when that day comes. Best of luck to you.
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Varesk
Gallente
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.12.18 00:32:00 -
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your stuff, may i have it?
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2010.12.18 00:36:00 -
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scanning skills might be good.
stealth bombers need missiles as well.
shield skills, at least those for shield capacity will help as well.
oh and max capacitor skills greatly help all races.
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Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2010.12.18 00:40:00 -
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Start another character?
Play with it.
No fun? Sell him later...
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.18 00:49:00 -
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@OP
If CCP was to introduce special specialisation skills the old equation wouldn't be true any more I guess - with 20M SP you can be competitive in nearly any ship if you specialise.
I personally wouldn't want that to change, cause then we would really get the level system of all those other MMOs.
If you've learned all there is for your chosen profession, than your char is finished in this regard. You restricted yourself there. Live with it.
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Ali Said
Mogadishu Yacht Club
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Posted - 2010.12.18 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ali Said on 18/12/2010 01:03:24
If it isn't obvious - Shield Resistance skills add to your EHP as an armor tanking pilot.
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2010.12.18 02:30:00 -
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to the OP: If you think your 90 mil SP has ALL of your combat skills maxed, then you're missing some things. If you want to be the best pilot you can be, try fanning out your skills a bit and explore the possibilities. There's no way someone can max out everything pertinent to their playstyle unless their playstyle is very streamlined, and frankly that basically means that you're the one making your playtime boring.
Just the fact that you've streamlined all your skills into one race says something about your combat abilities. If you want something new, exciting, and effective in situations you have trouble with, try going with another race.
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2010.12.18 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ali Said
Edited by: Ali Said on 18/12/2010 01:03:24
If it isn't obvious - Shield Resistance skills add to your EHP as an armor tanking pilot.
Some people miss this.
This. This is the sort of thing I'm talking about.
If you think you're done, you must have missed a LOT of things like this.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.12.18 02:37:00 -
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What about the pirate faction ships crosstraining? An Ashimmu's quite Ammarian but benefits from a different Cruiser V too. Also Sanshas. |
Soriam
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Posted - 2010.12.18 02:54:00 -
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Ha ha,
If Eve Online's New Player Experience is any indication of Eve's continued future direction then this sounds like a complaint that will be quite common in the near future for poor old Eve.
"I've maxed out my skills now what?"
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s666ss666ss666
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Posted - 2010.12.18 02:56:00 -
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Your telling my you have torps 5, HAM spec 5, rocket spec 5, S/M/L paule and beam spec 5, Fighaters/CAR/CRAR/CST/CET 5, Black op 5, Marauder 5, HAC 5, recon 5, logi 5, Heavy Intderdicter 5, Transports ships 5 cammand ships 5, interdictors 5 AF5, EAF5, intercepter 5, Covert-ops 5, maxed scanning, weapon disruption 5, totally maxed drone skills (the racial spec skills to 5, sentry drones 5, heavy drones 5, logistics drones 5, the dreaded drone durability 5), Nanite control 5, Neurotoxin recovery 5, Carrier/Deard 5, energy paluse weapons 5, thermodynamics 5, amarr strategic cruiser and subsystems skills to 5, Warhead upgreads 5, sergical strike 5, bomb deployment 5, all 8 compensation skills to 5, all rigging skills to 5, cyno 5, JDC/JFC 5? if so post your API to confirm, if not go back to your golden tower and train some more. or look at indestry skills. I hear datacores can be fun, and OUTPOST CONSTRUCTION is a god teir SP sink at x16.
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2010.12.18 03:07:00 -
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Just to rub my point in a bit further, and to remind you to visit the skillbook market:
I did a bit of number crunching just to demonstrate the point here. Remember, a 1x training time skill takes 256,000 SP to max out. Keeping this in mind, you can easily calculate the amount of SP to train a set of skills all to V by adding up the training time multipliers and multiplying that number by 256,000.
I calculate 22,016,000 SP to max all drone skills; this is counting all racial drone specializations because each race has its own special drones that are 100% usable by and useful to every race. I also counted carrier drones because carriers are not titans.
I calculate 10,240,000 SP to max all shield skills.
I calculate 12,032,000 SP to max all Amarr combat electronics skills (not counting non-Amarr EWAR skills).
That's a total of 44,288,000 SP just to learn those three categories. That doesn't count ship command skills, engineering, mechanic, gunnery, or navigation; not to mention leadership and missiles.
Trust me, I think you've got a ways to go before you max your Amarr skills.
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SebbyTheFreak
Caldari
Vagrant Troubadours of the Vast Expenses
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Posted - 2010.12.18 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: SebbyTheFreak on 18/12/2010 03:10:56
Edited by: SebbyTheFreak on 18/12/2010 03:08:56
That's funny.
I have 96m SP, and basically maxed out every racial non-capital combat skills. I got a few l4s here and there, particularly the meager 2% damage bonus from the level 5 weapon specialisations, but that's close to it [that's also like 20m sp put into more useful skills ... except I got blackop5, for some stupid reason.)
You're definitively doing something wrong. You really seems to have narrowed your choices alot.
And just as they said above, cross-training gives bonuses you didin't really notice. Shields on amarrs actually do help, especially against explosive ammo.
As for me, I've fanned out into leadership.
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Zero Causation
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Posted - 2010.12.18 04:11:00 -
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You guys are completely missing the point. Of course there are skills that you can train just to waste skill points. I am talking about skills that actually make a difference to make you a better specialized combat pilot.
If I have all drone support skills to level 5, and Gallente and Minmatar drone specializations to 5, why on Earth would I care to train Caldari and Amarr drones to level 5 when they do everything worse then the most damaging and quickest drones? That is a perfect example of wasting training time on something that doesn't advance your character one bit. Just to say, you have something to train!
Train 10+ million SP for missiles as a Amarr Laser pilot just to fly the few crappy Amarr missile bonus ships when the laser ships are better in the first place? Another example of a waste of skill point training. Then someone mentions did I train transport pilot to level 5? Ya, as an Amarr combat pilot, I give a flying **** about flying transport ships.
All rigging skills to level 5? Do you know how many worthless rigging skills that wouldn't even be used by an Amarr combat pilot at all?
You guys are grasping at straws. And no, I play eve for combat not playing the market or mining. I even went through the market after the latest patch to scrub my skill list and to see if anything new was released to train up. There wasn't. Really my only option is to cross train now to Minmatar for speed as Amarr are quite slow but tank good.
It will only take a handful of months to max out the Autocannon and Artillery skills for Minmatar since I already have all the Gunnery support skills to level 5. So then I will be able to fly a Maelstrom and everything below it at max skill level. Then what? I can't even think of many situations I'd even want to fly a Maelstrom over an Abaddon with HG slaves in. See what I am saying? Your progression just goes side ways at a certain point and not forward.
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oldmanst4r
Minmatar
oldmanst4r's Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.18 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zero Causation
You guys are completely missing the point. Of course there are skills that you can train just to waste skill points. I am talking about skills that actually make a difference to make you a better specialized combat pilot.
If I have all drone support skills to level 5, and Gallente and Minmatar drone specializations to 5, why on Earth would I care to train Caldari and Amarr drones to level 5 when they do everything worse then the most damaging and quickest drones? That is a perfect example of wasting training time on something that doesn't advance your character one bit. Just to say, you have something to train!
Train 10+ million SP for missiles as a Amarr Laser pilot just to fly the few crappy Amarr missile bonus ships when the laser ships are better in the first place? Another example of a waste of skill point training. Then someone mentions did I train transport pilot to level 5? Ya, as an Amarr combat pilot, I give a flying **** about flying transport ships.
All rigging skills to level 5? Do you know how many worthless rigging skills that wouldn't even be used by an Amarr combat pilot at all?
You guys are grasping at straws. And no, I play eve for combat not playing the market or mining. I even went through the market after the latest patch to scrub my skill list and to see if anything new was released to train up. There wasn't. Really my only option is to cross train now to Minmatar for speed as Amarr are quite slow but tank good.
It will only take a handful of months to max out the Autocannon and Artillery skills for Minmatar since I already have all the Gunnery support skills to level 5. So then I will be able to fly a Maelstrom and everything below it at max skill level. Then what? I can't even think of many situations I'd even want to fly a Maelstrom over an Abaddon with HG slaves in. See what I am saying? Your progression just goes side ways at a certain point and not forward.
I can't really give any educated recommendations without seeing your skill sheet. If you post your skills on eveboard and link it in this thread, I can give you specific recommendations on what I would do in your position. Other than that, I'll just say if you don't have great missile skills you are missing out on the
Purifier
Sacrilege
100mn AB HAM brick Legion
Even if you have the missile skills to fly those decently you could always get Warhead Upgrades V, HAM spec V, and Torps spec V. Those should keep you busy for a bit, and really aren't wasted skill points at all.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
*snip* Castration successful. Shadow.
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Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.12.18 04:47:00 -
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Time to play eve on hard core mode:
Fly a Deimos.
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Yavanna Akallabeth
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Posted - 2010.12.18 04:52:00 -
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You have two extra slots for alts...that all I'm going to bite on this troll bait post.
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LOL56
First Flying Wing Inc
ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2010.12.18 05:23:00 -
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Working as intended, to stop people becoming hyperspecialized, thus nerfing the ability of people to move out of one role and one role only. if there was no limit on hyperspecialization i would be nothing but a rapier pilot, with 249km webs and no new player would have a prayer of catching up to me. 90million for a role of Amarr turrets and supports, dosen't seem unreasonable, when you consider there are only ~550mil total possible SP in the game. that 16.4% of ALL SP relevant to what you want, and since what you want is a relatively narrow portion of the game, i don't see that you have it unfair.
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2010.12.18 05:23:00 -
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If the only thing you want to do is fly combat in your limited view of what it is, then go for it. Congratulations, you've got the best possible setup you can possibly have. That means people can only best you by personal skill, outnumbering you, or trying something you didn't think was so good. If that's how you want to play, then I don't see what you're complaining about.
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SargeantNekkid DDS
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Posted - 2010.12.18 06:46:00 -
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@OP
If you really have trained everything you see yourself ever training for that character (which I can actually see for a highly-focused character at 90m SP), then stop training on that character, boot up a new character, focus-train it to 20m or 30m SP, and sell in the character bazaar for billions a couple years down the line.
Or, train research/PI alts on your account for passive income.
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Zero Causation
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Posted - 2010.12.18 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: SargeantNekkid DDS
@OP
If you really have trained everything you see yourself ever training for that character (which I can actually see for a highly-focused character at 90m SP), then stop training on that character, boot up a new character, focus-train it to 20m or 30m SP, and sell in the character bazaar for billions a couple years down the line.
Or, train research/PI alts on your account for passive income.
That's actually a pretty good idea. Since my character is pretty much "done" for the specialized combat role I do, creating a new character to train and sell for income is pretty smart. I've thought about this before in creating a new account, but this way I can play my main character and train a to-sell character on the same account. I guess there really can be a limit in EvE if you don't care to fly every ship in the game and use every damage type.
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