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Cpt EVGA Caldari Enter The Shadow	Posted - 2010.12.18 00:04:00 - [1] Edited by: Cpt EVGA on 18/12/2010 00:04:29 Well I have recently been afk for almost a year, busy busy busy. Since time has free'd up for me now I decided to come back to EVE. I missed it dearly :( I have done a lot of pvp over the years of playing EVE (200b+ destroyed). I enjoy this game for what it delivers on a daily basis which is always a new enjoyment each time I login. So I got an idea... I am sure it has been talked about many times as its not a rocket scientist idea here... As you see we get yearly tournaments here in EVE. Which is great, it allows pilots from corps and alliances to battle to the death to see which team had it's *&^% together the most. My idea consists of well, an arena type setting for EVE. Which enables pilots to go fight 1vs1 anytime in a secure enabled system where no ganking can take place. From my experience with EVE PVP is well, blobbing or gatecamping or preying on weaker individuals. So my idea for EVE Arena is simply to have a system or region dedicated to strictly registering pilots into arena matches to fight 1vs1 2vs2 3vs3 4vs4 5vs5 so on... Even setup a gambling section within the arena so other players can bet on the matches, the pilots can place money on the table before the match begins and so on so forth. The idea is pretty blan but I am sure yall can get the picture. heh Let the gladiator matches begin??? hehe Feel free to reply in a mature manner!
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.18 00:10:00 - [2] Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 18/12/2010 00:10:58 I foresee Flames. Anyways you already can do that. by dropping a can. If they dishoner, welcome to the most basic core concept of EVE, trust no one. Instanced PVP takes away from the no rules concept, if you want 1v1's, 2v2's, 3v3's start a Corp that specializes in doing that and accept the risk. Don't try to Instance anything, free world, best world. -- I can not decide on a sig yet. Under Construction.
Cpt EVGA Caldari Enter The Shadow	Posted - 2010.12.18 00:18:00 - [3] I understand the way EVE works. I am far from complaining about any issues with the game at all. I personally would love to have such a matchmaking system to create such battles, I just think it would be a cool idea to look into. Even a ladder for the arena players, place bounties onto their heads within the arena, meh, just a ramble bamble idea I suppose heh but hey worth chattin about! Would be like the good ole rome days with gladiator fights and people can watch! lol Pilots could even make fee's for viewers to watch them fight, fan clubs, the works heh.
William Cooly Sol Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.18 00:24:00 - [4] I would 1 v 1 CCP sponsored tournaments like Alliance tournament. However I do not support the idea of making honoring 1 v 1 becoming forced into 1 v 1, or spectating being a hazard-free pastime. - I troll stupid people.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.18 00:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Cpt EVGA Even a ladder for the arena players, place bounties onto their heads within the arena, meh, just a ramble bamble idea I suppose heh but hey worth chattin about! Would be like the good ole rome days with gladiator fights and people can watch! lol Pilots could even make fee's for viewers to watch them fight, fan clubs, the works heh. Nothing stoping you from doing that already, they mechanics are there already. Make bets and fight. -- I can not decide on a sig yet. Under Construction.
Krathos Morpheus Legion Infernal	Posted - 2010.12.18 01:12:00 - [6] Actually CCP was working on it on or two expansions back. The word came out by the shortcut caming on sisi. By CCP's words on the matter I guess it was very finished, it was being called Combat Simulator or something like that. Actually it may or may not resemble what you may understand as Arenas, it was some virtual field where you could fly ships and combat for testing or competition purposes, no idea on how competition was handled or if it had some type of ladder, I hope not, and competitions should be handled by players. It never entered Tranq or even Sisi because they had problems with the database on destroyed ships, not being able to undestroy them. I guess with the recent upgrade to IDs and not needing to recycle them, it could be possible today.
Selinate Amarr Wardens of the Void	Posted - 2010.12.18 03:04:00 - [7] I already suggested this in assembly hall, essentially. Was (rudely) told by a bunch of (idiotic) players that CCP considered it at one point, and decided not to do it at all, ever. Apparently, Sisi should fill in if you want "risk free combat".....
Joss56 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.12.18 04:00:00 - [8] Like this? http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=172995 Eve worl is alread an arena ________________________________________________ "You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
Strrog Caldari Zero Excavations	Posted - 2010.12.18 05:06:00 - [9] Good idea considering EVE full loss pvp system, but I wanted to add a skirmish type of instanced PVP where no losses occur and its for pure practise a simulation that will be a great way to teach train and learn PVP aspects for new players and for leess exp players lke myself XD. The skirmish was introduced in POTBS and it got some fun going in the game its a no loss enviroment and I think it might be a way to get more poeple into the real PVP as well as more players will be exposed to the mechanics of the fleet battle, you can introduce 10v10, 20v20, 40v40 brackets any more might be hard to fill, and you can join inthose as fleet or a single ship. Please let me know what you think on that very excited XD !!!
Roosterton Eternal Frontier Saints Amongst Sinners	Posted - 2010.12.18 05:11:00 - [10] Edited by: Roosterton on 18/12/2010 05:11:52 I'd be all for CCP-hosted Alliance Tournament-esque 1v1 championships held on a yearly/monthly/sixmonthly basis, but being able to have instanced pvp whenever you want it is meh. I don't quite know why, but it just doesn't seem EVE-ish. Maybe if it was possible for corporations to hijack the arena, shoot the station guards, and dishonor the battle, then yes, it would be EVE-ish, but then you have it like the old-stype "drop a can labeled 1v1" method. EDIT: And yes, if this system is no-risk, I don't really see how it's different from Sisi. -------- Enemy corps raided into disbandment: Three. Originally by: Tarminic OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2010.12.18 06:50:00 - [11] Should just a be a mechanism in place so it's easier to Track a ladder/setup a ladder. Not get interrupted/griefed. Bet on in a more formal manner. Should not be instanced. Should require your current skills. Require actual ships. Not have anymore perks than regular pvp minus the above.
JC Anderson Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.12.18 07:49:00 - [12] Edited by: JC Anderson on 18/12/2010 07:50:06 Earth and beyond (Another spaceship MMO that shut down not long after Eve went live) had a pretty cool Arena. Though after the first few months people lost interest in the Arena and it was hard to find opponents. The only annoying part is that you had the Progen Khan announcing during each match in a mortal kombat (spelling intended) type of voice. Things such as KILL SHOT! and what-not.
Aiwha Caldari	Posted - 2010.12.18 08:16:00 - [13] SISI Gullible
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.12.18 08:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Cpt EVGA Feel free to reply in a mature manner! maturely, no the biggest and best reason why: CCP already are extremely limited in development time. Why should they spend it on coding up a new instanced-pvp arena system when they could spend that time fixing actual open world PvP? _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like.
Carola Kessler	Posted - 2010.12.18 08:43:00 - [15] I don't think the idea is that bad at all and i could imagine a system how it could work best.....we all know with a few keystrokes and such ccp Devs could implement a complete new 0.0 System with its planets stations and what not. So with this in mind the Arena System could be as following designed: It would have to be a isolated system like a WH system only reachable via wormholes and here it could start, in each Trade hub from the Empires ccp Devs / Designers could set a Stable wormhole which leads to even this designed System which will be 0.0 security status having a static setup in it like some of yours know perhaps the Mission you have to fly a shuttle in a race from navigation point to navigation point?! The setup with the towers and other things around this will be the Arena where the participants can figth each other. Also if you want to fly to the Arena System through the WH in the Tradehubs you would have to pay a Security fee and agree to the special laws and rules while beeing in the System as well in the System also will be station where repairs and stuff can happen for a decent price maybe also get sold standard t1 ships for the newcomers or those have lost a ship during a duell including assets and modules for also acceptable prices as well the whole system will be protected by a area security measures which instantly pop any aggressors ( aka gankers , griefers within 300 KM area around the Stations and secure areas which will also be shown on the map as in space overview visible navigation points) Security installations could be Towers and Sentries specially designed by jovian technology having instant pop the rude intruders and protecting the duellnts while they hang around stations and secure points in space. So in this way or similar an Arena System could get setup and constant get used by interested players and corps. This above just is a playing around how it could maybe workout and acceptable by many players wich are a bit open minded. Don't bang now on my head having those suggestions brougth up
Hari Markkus Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.18 20:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate the biggest and best reason why: CCP already are extremely limited in development time. Why should they spend it on coding up a new instanced-pvp arena system when they could spend that time fixing actual open world PvP? What is this "open world" PvP you speak of? Are you a STO or WoW player by any chance?
Everinsearch	Posted - 2010.12.18 21:50:00 - [17] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1431710 Would be cool... how come this thread is still in general?
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.18 22:38:00 - [18] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 18/12/2010 22:39:16 Originally by: Alara IonStorm Originally by: Cpt EVGA Even a ladder for the arena players, place bounties onto their heads within the arena, meh, just a ramble bamble idea I suppose heh but hey worth chattin about! Would be like the good ole rome days with gladiator fights and people can watch! lol Pilots could even make fee's for viewers to watch them fight, fan clubs, the works heh. Nothing stoping you from doing that already, they mechanics are there already. Make bets and fight. What mechanics are you talking about, exactly? Afaik EVE doesn't have any more mechanics supporting this than any other game. There's actually no mechanics that can enable you to have a 1-on-1 fight like that. I think the only thing needed to have a decent 1-on-1 fight would be a can-flipping mechanism that a) doesn't allow remote repping b) only gives kill rights for the 2 people involved or else concord will immediately destroy the offenders and will subtract 2.0 points from your security status. Only thing CCP has to do is inventing a special "duelling can", one for each type of ship (frigate, cruiser, BC etc). Not very hard imo. If you want a ladder system or even rankings, well that's a lot harder/complex to do.
Alara IonStorm Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.18 22:53:00 - [19] Originally by: Jennifer Starling What mechanics are you talking about, exactly? Afaik EVE doesn't have any more mechanics supporting this than any other game. There's actually no mechanics that can enable you to have a 1-on-1 fight like that. Sure you just have to trust the person does not dishoner, CCP will not hold your hand. Originally by: Jennifer Starling I think the only thing needed to have a decent 1-on-1 fight would be a can-flipping mechanism that a) doesn't allow remote repping b) only gives kill rights for the 2 people involved or else concord will immediately destroy the offenders and will subtract 2.0 points from your security status. RR is part of the game, for bigger fights there is War or hop into 1 of 1000 empty Low Sec Systems and you are good. Want honor hang around honorable people. Originally by: Jennifer Starling Only thing CCP has to do is inventing a special "duelling can", one for each type of ship (frigate, cruiser, BC etc). Not very hard imo. Why for each type, cheating is part of EVE, you ethier trust them or do not trust them. What would be better is if you could turn off Concord protection to a Corp or Person and anything goes as usual. -- Originally by: NoNah I'm afraid you can't really expect a decent answer as the new generation of posters arrived. Alara and her merry crew just isn't that interested in anything constructive.
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.18 22:58:00 - [20] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 18/12/2010 23:04:29 Originally by: Alara IonStorm Why for each type, cheating is part of EVE, you ethier trust them or do not trust them. What would be better is if you could turn off Concord protection to a Corp or Person and anything goes as usual. Well as the OP refers to something like the alliance tournaments - you can't cheat there either, can you? Would people still like it if you could cheat? Would the outcome have any value at all? So why agree it's not permitted there but object to it for people who want balanced PvP to test their mettle and piloting and fitting skills? We all know there's a huge number of players who would love to see that in EVE. And there's nothing much carebearish about it as you still lose your ships. Next to that there's nothing strange or handholdingish about arenas. The romans had it, we had medieval tournaments, the renaissance had gun or sabre duels, we now have sports. All regulated and controlled. Most games have it. It's something natural, so why can't EVE have it.
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2010.12.21 12:25:00 - [21] I'd like arenas!! :)
Klandi Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.12.21 12:32:00 - [22] Edited by: Klandi on 21/12/2010 12:32:50 Originally by: Cpt EVGA My idea consists of well, an arena type setting for EVE. Which enables pilots to go fight 1vs1 anytime in a secure enabled system where no ganking can take place. I forsee a small problem here.... If there is no ganking possible - how are the contestants meant to fight as the system would be gank-proofed. Selective damage control? How would that work?
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.12.21 13:57:00 - [23] Bad Idea, people would participate in the so called "arena" PVP and they would ignore the proper PVP. It ruined wow and it could well do the same here.
War Kitten	Posted - 2010.12.21 17:53:00 - [24] I like the idea of there being an arena. I think CCP gave us the sandbox, we have to make it happen. You need a "safe" spot for participants and viewers? Put up POS and give them the PW to get inside. You want rules enforced? Hire some mercs/corpies/friends with big ships to enforce them. There was no code preventing a gladiator from killing a guard or throwing his spear into the crowd. There's no insta-popping scanner that will prevent an idiot with a gun from attending a sporting event. And I'm pretty sure the NCAA, NFL, NBA has to track its own points and standings - the government/God/Mother Nature doesn't do it for them. Being creative enough to have the idea is only 10% of the job. The other 90% requires hard work, investment and perseverance.
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.12.21 18:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Krathos Morpheus It never entered Tranq or even Sisi because they had problems with the database on destroyed ships, not being able to undestroy them. I guess with the recent upgrade to IDs and not needing to recycle them, it could be possible today. Basically, Tranquility completely rejected the code back then. Yet, it was written by CCP then, that 'if' they got the "arena" code to work, they will implement it. Without any knowledge about what that 'feature' would feature or CCP's idea behind it it's hard to form an opinion on it. Be it good or bad. Personally I rather see them work on non-static ice/ ore belts to fight macro miners.
Jennifer Starling Amarr	Posted - 2010.12.21 18:54:00 - [26] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 21/12/2010 19:07:11 Originally by: Brian Ballsack Bad Idea, people would participate in the so called "arena" PVP and they would ignore the proper PVP. You do realize that a lot of players may like to PvP but see no fun in roaming around for hours only to be podded by a group of 10 gate campers? Or engage in 2 minute lag blob fests? I mean: waiting for an hour for a healer or tank in other games is nothing compared to this. So practically, a lot of people don't even bother and become missioners or WH roamers who never actively seek pvp, and not because they don't like PvP but simply because it's such a time consuming chore. And tbh I don't find shooting exhumers in a WH very with my cov ops Tengu very much fun. I think a lot more people would do pvp if there was arenas or any easier way to get PvP. EVE makes it extremely difficult, you can't even attack lowsec gate camps in frigates. It's very strange that it's supposed to be a PvP game but to get any decent PvP you either have to roam for hours, get a lot of friends or endure the lagfest. There isn't a game where I actually PvPed less than EVE. The Alliance Tournament showed there's already an arena mechanism in place. It will greatly boost the econpomy as carebears can then safely practice their skills and lose ships in the process.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.21 19:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Aiwha SISI This. They even have a system dedicated to non-consensual pew pew with certain areas you warp to and kill or be killed. Plus everything is 100isk.
Joe Starbreaker M. Corp	Posted - 2010.12.21 19:43:00 - [28] This topic comes up all the time, and hardly anybody ever mentions that there is actually a star system called ARENA, and it's in lowsec. The implication should be obvious, as it was probably obvious to whatever dev gave the system its name years ago. Yet you hardly ever see anyone there. ...
Vincent Athena	Posted - 2010.12.21 19:52:00 - [29] I always thought that the game should allow 2 players who want to fight each other to be able to do so. One just challenges the other to a duel, and if accepted, they both get timers against each other, same as if they had stolen from each others can. Arenas: The "un-destroy a ship" issue could be worked around by creating ships instead. That is, you dock at the arena station in your ship of choice, hit "duplicate" and get an arena ship. And yes, all sorts of safeguards are needed to insure duplicated stuff does not get out of the arena. CCP could also have arenas where you fly your actual ship. If it blows up, its your loss. Sort of a little pocket of 0.0 in high sec, protected by a acceleration gate (with a big fat warning) that filters by ship class. That acceleration gate would have to be special, doing things like randomly scattering ships over a large volume, yet keeping fleets that warp in together, well, together.
Brian Ballsack	Posted - 2010.12.21 20:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 21/12/2010 19:10:03 Originally by: Brian Ballsack Bad Idea, people would participate in the so called "arena" PVP and they would ignore the proper PVP. You do realize that a lot of players may like to PvP but see no fun in roaming around for hours only to be podded by a group of 10 gate campers? Or engage in 2 minute lag blob fests? I mean: waiting for an hour for a healer or tank in other games is nothing compared to this. And tbh I don't find shooting exhumers in a WH with my cov ops Tengu very much fun, I like challenges more than senseless killfests. But well that's just me, perhaps. So practically, a lot of people don't even bother and become missioners or WH roamers who never actively seek pvp, and not because they don't like PvP but simply because it's such a time consuming chore. I think a lot more people would do pvp if there was arenas or any easier way to get PvP. EVE makes it extremely difficult, you can't even attack lowsec gate camps in frigates. FW isn't an option for a lot of people because of the severe standings penalty. It's very strange that it's supposed to be a PvP game but to get any decent PvP you either have to roam for hours, get a lot of friends or endure the lagfest. There isn't a game where I actually PvPed less than EVE. The Alliance Tournament showed there's already an arena mechanism in place. It will greatly boost the economy as carebears can then safely practice their skills and lose ships in the process. then they are playing the wrong game.

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