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MAX MEXX	Posted - 2010.12.18 13:17:00 - [1] Heard some noob aliances where using this to kill supercaps, First fire ecm burst on object outside pos ( this wil agro everyting inside the pos and in 30km range) Then bump the ship outside pos and kill it. Aperently this is not a expolit,
Sardon Darkstar Caldari 0ne Percent.	Posted - 2010.12.18 13:20:00 - [2] Sounds like fun but ehh, how do you think you can get inside the shield to bump the supercaps, or even the noobship for that matter, out of the pos shield hmm? Firing ecm burst does nothing at all.
raukosen	Posted - 2010.12.18 14:34:00 - [3] The point is that if you notice you're getting bumped you can't log off, since you're aggroed
dkbjitawhore	Posted - 2010.12.18 14:50:00 - [4] Originally by: raukosen The point is that if you notice you're getting bumped you can't log off, since you're aggroed And how do you know you have been ECM bursted when you there is no chance to have a target be interrupted as you cannot target anything when inside a pos.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.12.18 14:54:00 - [5] The lame meta-gaming "tactics" are too numerous to count. Unfortunately a lot of people are incapable of winning without resorting to them. As much a flaw in the individuals as it is with the game. The "POS **** Cage" where you bubble it every way 'til Sunday to prevent escape also aggresses due to being scrambled I think. Pretty bad shielding if it can't even keep electro-magnetics from penetrating
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2010.12.18 16:36:00 - [6] pandemic legion uses this **** to kill supers all the time. and not even bothering to mention all other haxploits they use. just ban that whole cheater alliance allready.
Sardon Darkstar Caldari 0ne Percent.	Posted - 2010.12.18 16:49:00 - [7] Still, how to get INSIDE the shield to bump out the ships? The only way is to know the pos password, which means spies, which means corp negligence.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.12.18 16:52:00 - [8] Edited by: Iamien on 18/12/2010 16:52:40 .......
Ay Liz Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.12.18 16:54:00 - [9] Edited by: Ay Liz on 18/12/2010 16:56:36 Originally by: Sardon Darkstar Still, how to get INSIDE the shield to bump out the ships? The only way is to know the pos password, which means spies, which means corp negligence. His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected. Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more. Edit: Well.. or you could just kill the hostiles that ECM Burst you.. but that is obviously no option for the OP.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.12.18 16:55:00 - [10] Originally by: Sardon Darkstar Still, how to get INSIDE the shield to bump out the ships? The only way is to know the pos password, which means spies, which means corp negligence. It's called pos bowling and was labeled an exploit back in 2007. I wont discuss how it is done, but the pos tower is still slightly broken.

Flinx Evenstar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.18 17:38:00 - [11] Originally by: Newsflash pandemic legion uses this ** to kill supers all the time. and not even bothering to mention all other haxploits they use. just ban that whole cheater alliance allready. Put the pitchforks down, you'll hurt yourself. Originally by:** Ay Liz His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected. Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more When you log off inside a shield you stay there until you vanish, how do you not know this. The biggest crime here is how a massive alliance can continually leave super caps alone in a JB pos with a known password, then fail to defend it despite having a 500man fleet up 8 jumps away. There is no pos bowling or even 30km ecm burst involved (that's a supercap mod) Just because some people have no idea how eve works, this doesn't mean that hacking was involved. We are quite happy some alliances make it so easy for us to gank titans. Thank you. --- I does like have spaceship vids n stuff
Newsflash Gallente NorthUnited	Posted - 2010.12.18 17:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Newsflash pandemic legion uses this ** to kill supers all the time. and not even bothering to mention all other haxploits they use. just ban that whole cheater alliance allready. Put the pitchforks down, you'll hurt yourself. Originally by:** Ay Liz His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected. Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more When you log off inside a shield you stay there until you vanish, how do you not know this. The biggest crime here is how a massive alliance can continually leave super caps alone in a JB pos with a known password, then fail to defend it despite having a 500man fleet up 8 jumps away. There is no pos bowling or even 30km ecm burst involved (that's a supercap mod) Just because some people have no idea how eve works, this doesn't mean that hacking was involved. We are quite happy some alliances make it so easy for us to gank titans. Thank you. shut up cheater. i hope ccp sees your exploiting alliance what it is soon and bans all youre cheating asses.
Flinx Evenstar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.18 18:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Newsflash shut up cheater. i hope ccp sees your exploiting alliance what it is soon and bans all youre cheating asses. A very well thought out post highlighting the evidence in an ordered list. Pride of the North --- I does like have spaceship vids n stuff
Ay Liz Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.12.18 19:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar When you log off inside a shield you stay there until you vanish, how do you not know this. Because i always saw people warp off when they logged out in a POS? I dont know.. Now that you talk about this.. Why do i always warp back to the POS after logging in? This implies i warp off when logging off inside POS Shields. Am i missing something?
Medidranda Livoga	Posted - 2010.12.18 19:24:00 - [15] POS bowling was done without POS password, PL are just doing old fashioned spy teh password and warp bumpage routine. Keeping your ship in public pos alone is just stupid, if you can afford supercap you can have your own pos too I think.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.12.18 19:40:00 - [16] Pos bowling (not knowing pos password, warping a large ship to the tower which enters the shields due to warp, and then collide with ships inside, bumping them out) is labeled as exploit. Pos bumping (knowing pos password, entering pos shields in a legit way and then bumping ships out of the shields) is not (yet?) forbidden. Bumping can easily be prevented by having a private pos, not sharing the pos password.
Flinx Evenstar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.18 19:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Ay Liz Because i always saw people warp off when they logged out in a POS? I dont know.. Now that you talk about this.. Why do i always warp back to the POS after logging in? This implies i warp off when logging off inside POS Shields. Am i missing something? No, you do APPEAR 1mil km from where you logged off, but you disappear inside shield. Next time someone logs off a super at pos, have a look. Also if you log off inside the pos and warp back when you log in, this ewarp will ignore any bubbles, and you will land where you logged off. --- I does like have spaceship vids n stuff
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.12.18 19:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Ay Liz Because i always saw people warp off when they logged out in a POS? Ships don't warp out of a POS when they log out. They sit there until the timer is up then vanish. When they log back in they are at the emergency warp location and will warp back to the POS.
Ay Liz Sacred Templars RED.OverLord	Posted - 2010.12.18 19:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Ay Liz Because i always saw people warp off when they logged out in a POS? I dont know.. Now that you talk about this.. Why do i always warp back to the POS after logging in? This implies i warp off when logging off inside POS Shields. Am i missing something? No, you do APPEAR 1mil km from where you logged off, but you disappear inside shield. Next time someone logs off a super at pos, have a look. Also if you log off inside the pos and warp back when you log in, this ewarp will ignore any bubbles, and you will land where you logged off. OK, i will have a look next time. And thanks for the explanation for the warp on login. I always thought the reason i warp back is coz the ship warped away like anywhere else.
Varesk Gallente Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.12.18 20:59:00 - [20] ITT: some people that dont know game mechanics and calling people that do, hackers.

MAX MEXX	Posted - 2010.12.19 08:31:00 - [21] Is anything else able to agrro things while INSIDE a forcefiled? I for one remember when a micro smartbomb was used to agrro a NC titan some time back and everyone called for hacks/exploits.... Nothing shuld be able to agro anything inside a pos forcefiled, a ecm burst wil not even shop upp in any "visual" form so the pilot wil not even have any idea that it's agroed...
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2010.12.19 08:58:00 - [22] You use the ECM Burst inside the POS, not outside it. And obviously you need the POS Password to be able to do this. If Super-Capital pilots idol in POS that have been compromised by hostiles, then they deserve to die, especially if they are in POS that have the password given out to loads of different alliances (like multi-alliance staging POS, Jump Bridge POS, etc.). Set up a seperate tower that is corp/alliance only. And 95% of the time the dumb super capitals wouldn't have died. ---
Ildryn do you -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:01:00 - [23] Look no one has any proof PL has ever used any cheat, exploits, hacks, or third party programs. I mean look at some of their best killers. The Monkeysphere for instance. He is a shining beacon of how great they all are. I agree ban them all.
MAX MEXX	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Suitonia You use the ECM Burst inside the POS, not outside it. And obviously you need the POS Password to be able to do this. If Super-Capital pilots idol in POS that have been compromised by hostiles, then they deserve to die, especially if they are in POS that have the password given out to loads of different alliances (like multi-alliance staging POS, Jump Bridge POS, etc.). Set up a seperate tower that is corp/alliance only. And 95% of the time the dumb super capitals wouldn't have died. So using a ecm burst to aggro ships inside a pos does not sound like a exploit? Using smartbombs inside the pos was deemed a exploit, and is now not possible anymore.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:08:00 - [25] Originally by: MAX MEXX So using a ecm burst to aggro ships inside a pos does not sound like a exploit? Using smartbombs inside the pos was deemed a exploit, and is now not possible anymore. At risk of pointing out the obvious: Smartbombs could destroy POS modules and ships while not being able to be targeted. ECM Burst does nothing offensive, aside from giving anyone inside an aggro timer. ---
dkbjitawhore	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Suitonia Originally by: MAX MEXX So using a ecm burst to aggro ships inside a pos does not sound like a exploit? Using smartbombs inside the pos was deemed a exploit, and is now not possible anymore. At risk of pointing out the obvious: Smartbombs could destroy POS modules and ships while not being able to be targeted. ECM Burst does nothing offensive, aside from giving anyone inside an aggro timer. Breaks the locks of pos gunners? Not sure on this, I am not a pos gunnar.
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:15:00 - [27] It does not effect POS gunners in anyway ---
MAX MEXX	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:18:00 - [28] Originally by: Suitonia Originally by: MAX MEXX So using a ecm burst to aggro ships inside a pos does not sound like a exploit? Using smartbombs inside the pos was deemed a exploit, and is now not possible anymore. At risk of pointing out the obvious: Smartbombs could destroy POS modules and ships while not being able to be targeted. ECM Burst does nothing offensive, aside from giving anyone inside an aggro timer. That is just worce, it gives the ship NO information about beeing agrroed at all! So the pilot wil loggoff without even knowing it has agrro!
Marlona Sky Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:21:00 - [29] Remove passwords from POS's and Jump Bridges.
dkbjitawhore	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Marlona Sky Remove passwords from POS's and Jump Bridges. They would have to add access by standing, or say **** you to any multi-alliance entity.

Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:33:00 - [31] Originally by: MAX MEXX Originally by: Suitonia Originally by: MAX MEXX So using a ecm burst to aggro ships inside a pos does not sound like a exploit? Using smartbombs inside the pos was deemed a exploit, and is now not possible anymore. At risk of pointing out the obvious: Smartbombs could destroy POS modules and ships while not being able to be targeted. ECM Burst does nothing offensive, aside from giving anyone inside an aggro timer. That is just worce, it gives the ship NO information about beeing agrroed at all! So the pilot wil loggoff without even knowing it has agrro! A pilot who logs off in a POS with shabby security (password known by everyone in the alliance and his dog) and people close by who then bump him out of the field. Can't see a problem with this. If one can afford a SC or Titan and doesn't have his own freaking POS in his own freaking corp as a hangar he's doing it wrong. I too park my Bhaalgorn at a safespot within 5AU of Jita 4-4 and eject from the ship and expect to find it right there 10 hours later. Suuuuuuureeee. support Public Idea Tracker \| 24hr PLEX
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:33:00 - [32] Originally by: MAX MEXX That is just worce, it gives the ship NO information about beeing agrroed at all! So the pilot wil loggoff without even knowing it has agrro! I'm not saying it is a great mechanic. POS based on standings, and having visible Aggro timers in 0.0 are two of the most supported features in the Assembly Hall. If you want it to be declared an exploit, I recommend petitioning/bug reporting it. You can avoid this feature by simply having semi-decent security by avoiding POS which have a Password, and obviously not recruiting obvious spies. Until CCP declare it an exploit, or better features are put in, I'd suggest coping with it rather than calling PL hackers and noobs for playing the game mechanics to their advantage. ---
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:44:00 - [33] Having a ship you can't dock, being forced into that ship forever unless you want to loose it or it gets blown up, paying for that training for months and months, and on top of that needing another account so you can deploy the thing, is the biggest exploit of all. You are all very funny.
Marlona Sky Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.12.19 09:53:00 - [34] Originally by: dkbjitawhore Originally by: Marlona Sky Remove passwords from POS's and Jump Bridges. They would have to add access by standing, or say **** you to any multi-alliance entity. This part.
Phony	Posted - 2010.12.19 10:41:00 - [35] Originally by: Newsflash pandemic legion uses this **** to kill supers all the time. and not even bothering to mention all other haxploits they use. just ban that whole cheater alliance allready. dont 4get the dreaded sphere mahhhhhhaaaaahahahahahahahhaaaaa
The Monkeysphere North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.19 10:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Ildryn Look no one has any proof PL has ever used any cheat, exploits, hacks, or third party programs. I mean look at some of their best killers. The Monkeysphere for instance. He is a shining beacon of how great they all are. I agree ban them all. Are you calling me a cheater? Because well, you see, cheaters get banned. I, however, have never been banned. Also free karttoon
Bobbechk North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.19 10:52:00 - [37] maby you should put all NC alliances into one single super-massive alliance, then you would not be having this problem you know ________
Cilia Sundara Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.19 10:54:00 - [38] Sitting all your supercaps inside shared POSes that all have the same passwords, then idling for hours on end, often gets your supercaps killed.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2010.12.19 11:22:00 - [39] Are all the NC alts now comming to EVE General to whine after they got trolled to **** on Kngntsnmen.com ? Please don`t Just accept the fact that 99.5% of your BFF buddies are clueless minions. Your leaders just need you to get their moons back so they can RMT the ISK for new house/teeth/car/wife. Get rid of the NC chains little grunts and head to the only place in EVE were your ( low ) skill doesnt matter ( inside a high sec station ).
Marak Mocam	Posted - 2010.12.19 13:13:00 - [40] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Ay Liz His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected. Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more ... There is no pos bowling or even 30km ecm burst involved (that's a supercap mod) Just because some people have no idea how eve works, this doesn't mean that hacking was involved. We are quite happy some alliances make it so easy for us to gank titans. Thank you. I'm not sure what you mean by super cap only on 30km ranged ECM burst. Scorpion fit as follows (just for example): Caldari BS 5 skill, etc... ECM Burst II 3 rigs: Large Particle Dispersion Projector II Large Particle Dispersion Projector II Large Particle Dispersion Projector I Optimal: 30,514 Falloff: 12,000 That's a bit over 30km range for an ECM burst, at 15.75 strength, and not from a super capital ship. It's doable - check it yourself - though, from your statement, that's not what you're doing. PS: I only know about this because I was hoping that ECM Burst might decloak ships. It doesn't. If it did when the target is successfully jammed, that would remove a lot of "can't find them" arguments without adding any tools to the game. Oh well, a bit of ECM trivia learned...

Spurty Caldari D00M. Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2010.12.19 14:55:00 - [41] Originally by: dkbjitawhore Originally by: Marlona Sky Remove passwords from POS's and Jump Bridges. They would have to add access by standing, or say **** you to any multi-alliance entity. never heard of damage limitation / over exposure? Hoppit!
Grath Telkin Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.19 17:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Marak Mocam Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Ay Liz His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected. Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more ... There is no pos bowling or even 30km ecm burst involved (that's a supercap mod) Just because some people have no idea how eve works, this doesn't mean that hacking was involved. We are quite happy some alliances make it so easy for us to gank titans. Thank you. I'm not sure what you mean by super cap only on 30km ranged ECM burst. Scorpion fit as follows (just for example): Caldari BS 5 skill, etc... ECM Burst II 3 rigs: Large Particle Dispersion Projector II Large Particle Dispersion Projector II Large Particle Dispersion Projector I Optimal: 30,514 Falloff: 12,000 That's a bit over 30km range for an ECM burst, at 15.75 strength, and not from a super capital ship. It's doable - check it yourself - though, from your statement, that's not what you're doing. PS: I only know about this because I was hoping that ECM Burst might decloak ships. It doesn't. If it did when the target is successfully jammed, that would remove a lot of "can't find them" arguments without adding any tools to the game. Oh well, a bit of ECM trivia learned... Yea, PL is well known for the scorpions found on Supercap kill mails....
Cletus Graeme Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.19 18:31:00 - [43] Originally by: Newsflash shut up cheater. i hope ccp sees your exploiting alliance what it is soon and bans all youre cheating asses. U mad?
Vipy Styx S.A.S Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.19 19:09:00 - [44] Originally by: Ildryn Look no one has any proof PL has ever used any cheat, exploits, hacks, or third party programs. I mean look at some of their best killers. The Monkeysphere for instance. He is a shining beacon of how great they all are. I agree ban them all. do you need a Wambulance?
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2010.12.20 11:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Having a ship you can't dock, being forced into that ship forever unless you want to loose it or it gets blown up, paying for that training for months and months, and on top of that needing another account so you can deploy the thing, is the biggest exploit of all. You are all very funny. Actually the main opinion of SCs balance is that they are currently overpowered and completely make Dreadnaughts worthless. ---
MAX MEXX	Posted - 2010.12.21 18:13:00 - [46] Happend again.. Somthing shuld realy be changed about this game mec. You shuld not be able to agrro things inside a pos, Only this single moddule can becous it's bugged probably.. Smartbombs are the only other AEO wepon ingame, and it does not work inside a forcefield Reason this was changed... was becous it was used to do this exact same thing some years ago..
Ribeye Jaksom ElitistOps Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.12.21 18:43:00 - [47] Originally by: MAX MEXX Happend again.. Somthing shuld realy be changed about this game mec. You shuld not be able to agrro things inside a pos, Haha CCP will never change this -- they probably secretly love it. It's a nice solution to get some supers out of the game.
Zhim'Fufu	Posted - 2010.12.21 19:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Adunh Slavy Having a ship you can't dock, being forced into that ship forever unless you want to loose it or it gets blown up, paying for that training for months and months, and on top of that needing another account so you can deploy the thing, is the biggest exploit of all. You are all very funny. Whats really funny is all that time and effort was supposed to be a deterrent to fielding large amounts of supercaps. So the jokes on CCP.
Pheusia Gallente The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.12.21 20:59:00 - [49] Originally by: MAX MEXX Is anything else able to agrro things while INSIDE a forcefiled? Yes. Signed, Pheusia
MAX MEXX	Posted - 2010.12.21 22:50:00 - [50] Originally by: Pheusia Originally by: MAX MEXX Is anything else able to agrro things while INSIDE a forcefiled? Yes. What mods please :)?

Akov Stohs Windowlickers Inc Wrath.	Posted - 2010.12.21 23:53:00 - [51] Will say when i watched that Lev kill on youtube, saying that you had 15 minutes to kill him before bumping him out was interesting. Was curious how you knew he was aggroed prior to jumping in?
plastastic	Posted - 2010.12.22 00:13:00 - [52] Originally by: Marak Mocam Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Ay Liz His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected. Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more ... There is no pos bowling or even 30km ecm burst involved (that's a supercap mod) Just because some people have no idea how eve works, this doesn't mean that hacking was involved. We are quite happy some alliances make it so easy for us to gank titans. Thank you. I'm not sure what you mean by super cap only on 30km ranged ECM burst. Scorpion fit as follows (just for example): Caldari BS 5 skill, etc... ECM Burst II 3 rigs: Large Particle Dispersion Projector II Large Particle Dispersion Projector II Large Particle Dispersion Projector I Optimal: 30,514 Falloff: 12,000 That's a bit over 30km range for an ECM burst, at 15.75 strength, and not from a super capital ship. It's doable - check it yourself - though, from your statement, that's not what you're doing. PS: I only know about this because I was hoping that ECM Burst might decloak ships. It doesn't. If it did when the target is successfully jammed, that would remove a lot of "can't find them" arguments without adding any tools to the game. Oh well, a bit of ECM trivia learned... A remote ECM burst is a mother ship mod. lock the pos and use the mod on it. Every ship within 30km is now aggroed. (This has been around as long as pos bowling just no one did this as often so it wasn't removed) I don't think normal ECM burst penetrate shields (like smart bombs,old titan DD,bombs)
Akov Stohs Windowlickers Inc Wrath.	Posted - 2010.12.22 00:16:00 - [53] Originally by: plastastic I don't think normal ECM burst penetrate shields (like smart bombs,old titan DD,bombs) Going back and looking at all the PL ganks, every single titan has some ship with a ECM Burst or Bomb on the kill mail with no damage done. Thats....suspicious.
MAX MEXX	Posted - 2011.01.02 21:29:00 - [54] Bump :)
tournament betting	Posted - 2011.01.02 21:55:00 - [55] using this tactis is not an exploit, but the very least ccp could do is develope a message of some kind, ensuring the titan pilot knows he has agro. It may not make much difference to the outcome but hopefully he would go down fighting rather than trying to save a doomed ship. In eve its not about numbers, its not about skills, its wbout who has the most informaton adn is best with it! I also fully support, setting pos access to standing rather than pw. and ensure electronic warfare weapons cannot penetrate a pos forcefield!
Aessoroz	Posted - 2011.01.02 22:52:00 - [56] Originally by: Ay Liz Edited by: Ay Liz on 18/12/2010 16:56:36 Originally by: Sardon Darkstar Still, how to get INSIDE the shield to bump out the ships? The only way is to know the pos password, which means spies, which means corp negligence. His point is probably that it makes you unable to log out.. Because you have 15min agression after the ECM Burst. No need to bump. Just continue bursting until the prey logs out/gets disconnected. Then you know.. drop probes and cyno in some more. Edit: Well.. or you could just kill the hostiles that ECM Burst you.. but that is obviously no option for the OP. The other option is to light a cyno somewhere safe, time the cyno ship's self destruct properly, jump out and log fast.
Don Kartel	Posted - 2011.01.03 04:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Akov Stohs Edited by: Akov Stohs on 22/12/2010 00:09:21 Edited by: Akov Stohs on 21/12/2010 23:58:25 Will say when i watched that Lev kill on youtube, saying that you had 15 minutes to kill him before bumping him out was interesting. Was curious how you knew he was aggroed prior to jumping in? edit: Also check out 'Ass Holy' on that same Lev kill, ECM bomb from a stealth bomber that does no other damage.... 2nd edit: This is the Inturist kill against Rol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=139QTgxpvbI Note them talking about the aggro timer, and the pilot being offline on ts. From the kill mail: Crimson Dregg (none pl spy?) with an ecm burst Lamest tactic in game to date. Intentionally using game mechanics to allow you to kill a supercaps when thay are logged off? But we all know what happens when you try kill them when they actually know about it don't we ? What is it now 8-9 Titans you lost this week PL. Now that is funny as hell. What goes around, comes around.
Dana Jin	Posted - 2011.01.03 04:42:00 - [58] Edited by: Dana Jin on 03/01/2011 04:44:20 /Grabs a torch and lead pipe. Kill them, burn them all!! Am I doin it right? Why do birds sing? Why do fish swim? Why do threads like this continue to be born in the wild, when their demise is certain? -- Shadow
Space Pinata Amarr Discount Napkin Industries	Posted - 2011.01.03 05:53:00 - [59] 'Super Elite Hardcorez PVP Alliance' uses unintended tactics not yet labeled as exploits. Stop the presses. Ever since EVE came out, people have been using BS to win, and justifying it with more BS about how it totally makes sense. (On the other hand, logging out to save a ship doesn't make any sense either, it's just the more common and universally accepted form of BSing game mechanics to win.) Wasn't it you NC people who spammed BS contracts in local as a hostile fleet tried to jump in, to lag them all out? This is just another POS bowling, intentional node crashing, carrier-ejecting-shuttles, hauler of bookmarks, invisible in local, logoffski, ferrogel duping, yadda yadda yadda... ...Just business as usual in 0.0, where people will try to cut your power lines to kill a titan. Honestly, as sad as it is, why is anyone surprised that nullsec alliances on every side are meta-gaming as hard as possible without getting banhammered?
Kogh Ayon	Posted - 2011.01.03 10:20:00 - [60] Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 03/01/2011 10:20:13 Just log off the REALSTIC game. They wanted to make this game REALSTIC ignoring the basis that how a game should be and the reason why people playing this game. However there is no way for them to fix expolits like logoff and docking game. And it's their own mistake to they have to keep people like that PL guy who saying "I'm not cheating because they didn't ban me"

Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor Elite PWNED THEORY	Posted - 2011.01.03 14:17:00 - [61] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 03/01/2011 14:37:25 Why can't you fix docking games? Any number of changes to how we dock could better the "docking-game" experience. A little change to timers, maybe an added docking graphic or a change to how aggression works when outside of a station. Sure it can be done, there is just no motivation to do so. And the end result will be even less people undocking... Because they are scared... Why can't you "improve" on Log Off Games? I noticed that the SISI client no longer allows me to Ctrl-Q. Yes, I get that CCP cannot tell if you lose your connection and the client drops you, however, the client could say "Warning you are in combat!! Logging off now can result in your ship being Violenced!!" This will force people to physically pull their internet cables. Not A fix I know, but it removes logging off from the "Game Interface" And, regarding the whole "CCP cannot tell if you lost power" argument. Who here actually thinks that CCP has a reliable reimbursement policy? Do you feel like your petitions are answered in a timely fashion? Or even addressed? Don't you feel like reimbursement is actually like playing Russian Roulette with the Dev's? It is an internet based game... DC's happen all the time and it costs us all ships... Most don't get reimbursed anyway, so why should rich players with supercapitals be the center of this argument? If you choose to fly a supercap, DC'ing while tackled is a legitimate (and highly unlikely) risk that you take. You can fix both these issues, there is just no motivation to do so. More so, the EVE community is afraid to have these changes made because they like their "I Get Away Scott Free" buttons.
Apone Jnr Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.01.03 16:16:00 - [62] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 03/01/2011 14:37:25 Why can't you "improve" on Log Off Games? I noticed that the SISI client no longer allows me to Ctrl-Q. Yes, I get that CCP cannot tell if you lose your connection and the client drops you, however, the client could say "Warning you are in combat!! Logging off now can result in your ship being Violenced!!" This will force people to physically pull their internet cables. Not A fix I know, but it removes logging off from the "Game Interface" still there, just mapped to ctrl-alt-q, you can remap. its all part of the UI uplift I believe.
Chingyz Caldari Reverse Psychology. BAT PHONE	Posted - 2011.01.03 19:02:00 - [63] Originally by: The Monkeysphere Originally by: Ildryn Look no one has any proof PL has ever used any cheat, exploits, hacks, or third party programs. I mean look at some of their best killers. The Monkeysphere for instance. He is a shining beacon of how great they all are. I agree ban them all. Are you calling me a cheater? Because well, you see, cheaters get banned. I, however, have never been banned. Also free karttoon Not saying you haver or are cheating, but the premise of your argumentation is flawed.
Misty Rains	Posted - 2011.01.03 20:05:00 - [64] You are some of the whinnyst kutns on the iterwebs, IF you let PL kill you sc in pos you sir deserve to die. GG PL
Memorya	Posted - 2011.01.03 20:14:00 - [65] Heh..... Every exploit is geting "legal", how ****ing stupid and ignorant by developer's, ffs. 3 account's of my laying in dust. This one and last one will be canceled also. I post with my main... no worries. ------------------------ English is my 5th. Language.
Raubrey Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.04 07:39:00 - [66] Actually, stopping one's Internet Connection is about as easy as CTRL-Q/CTRL ALT q if he or she has a software based firewall program. Right Click > Block Network Traffic (or similar) This would bypass the client altogether or otherwise appear as a disconnect.
Buga Buga ROMANIA Renegades ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.01.04 09:55:00 - [67] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian DC's happen all the time and it costs us all ships... Most don't get reimbursed anyway, so why should rich players with supercapitals be the center of this argument? If you choose to fly a supercap, DC'ing while tackled is a legitimate (and highly unlikely) risk that you take. You do not get reimbursed because you got disconnected. It is not CCPs fault, it is your ISPs fault. You get reimbursed when you get DC from/because of server issues. I'm a "Shoot me I suck" specialist.


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