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Horak Thor
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.12 23:39:00 -
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So when Nulli joined, we in the minmatar thought the best we can possibly do is recapture as fast as possible after they leave. Then a few corp's alliances thought well, the only 2 possible ways to come out of this having "won" is to either make nulli loose waaaay to much (Special mention Q Cats) or to stop them getting enough systems to push T5.
Thus begun a horribly long and never ending string of unrewarding defensive plexing. long story short we managed to keep our constellation in metro of 8 systems. plus a few around it. nulli wouldnt come near it fearing the loss of theyre countless droves of gunless frigates. (thanks to SEFEM, Zombies, Ushra'khan alliance and many others for helping to defend metro).
So Nulli leaves having hit T4 having lost around 3 - 4 thousand ships, some of them nicely faction fit tengus thanking you.
And as it stands 90% of the flipped systems stand around 10 - 20% contested back in our favour
But weve all had fun, Nulli have been slewn Plex's have been ran down and i got to instapop PROGOD in his faction daredevil wooop.
TRIAD is recruiting "TRIAD Agency" in game channel |

bob hodor
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.12 23:46:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:So when Nulli joined, we in the minmatar thought the best we can possibly do is recapture as fast as possible after they leave. Then a few corp's alliances thought well, the only 2 possible ways to come out of this having "won" is to either make nulli loose waaaay to much (Special mention Q Cats) or to stop them getting enough systems to push T5.
Thus begun a horribly long and never ending string of unrewarding defensive plexing. long story short we managed to keep our constellation in metro of 8 systems. plus a few around it. nulli wouldnt come near it fearing the loss of theyre countless droves of gunless frigates. (thanks to SEFEM, Zombies, Ushra'khan alliance and many others for helping to defend metro).
So Nulli leaves having hit T4 having lost around 3 - 4 thousand ships, some of them nicely faction fit tengus thanking you.
And as it stands 90% of the flipped systems stand around 10 - 20% contested back in our favour
But weve all had fun, Nulli have been slewn Plex's have been ran down and i got to instapop PROGOD in his faction daredevil wooop.
Cool story bro. |

Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
97
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Posted - 2012.08.12 23:48:00 -
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Good work. we are proud. |

Horak Thor
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
22
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Posted - 2012.08.12 23:48:00 -
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bob hodor wrote: Cool story bro.
Yey i wasted someones time TRIAD is recruiting "TRIAD Agency" in game channel |

Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
374
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Posted - 2012.08.13 05:30:00 -
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UK, EM and QCATS have been champs down in Metro. FeO and LNA will be sending duders down to help in the Great Reclamation. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |

Ctzn Snips
Justified Chaos
1
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:12:00 -
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I hadn't realized Minmitar actually had a militia besides alt plex farmers and QCats. |

Braitai
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.08.13 06:15:00 -
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V nice work. Well done UK, EM, QCats, and any others out there in metro o7. |

Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
189
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Posted - 2012.08.13 07:15:00 -
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Thanks fellas http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |

Moe Cislak
EVE University Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2012.08.13 08:45:00 -
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Freedom always triumph. |

Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
248
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:23:00 -
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You know what the truly scary/hilarious part is?
I bet that their withdrawal was time based and not objective based (sorry chest beaters) and they are probably leaving with well fattened wallets, despite losses thanks to the gross over-incentivization of FW.
Are people really happy with FW having been reduced to a farm where bloated null bodies come to fatten up before going back out into dull-sec? Nulli is a relatively small (numerically) null entity and still managed to completely turn the war around ..
FW for the actual FW crowd no longer exists in my opinion, it was eroded by FarmWarsGäó expansion patch, zero standing requirement, alliances allowed with no caveats and of course the fact that complaints/whines/observations by people in the trenches have been ignored by the powers that be. CCP has played their hand very well indeed, they probably had a blueprint of what they wanted FW to be and knowing that people would object to becoming a Null wallet support group they made the changes in small increments .. and thus FarmWarsGäó emerged from the rotting corpse of FW with not so much as a "Hmmph, why I never!" or a "Wait a minute, that can't be right!" from the masses.
It is my sincerest hope that CCP has a truly magical rabbit to pull out come December .. but judging by opening comment in minutes I doubt they have an interest in letting FW be anything more than a null support feature. |

Crosi Wesdo
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
350
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Posted - 2012.08.13 09:42:00 -
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Ctzn Snips wrote:I hadn't realized Minmitar actually had a militia besides alt plex farmers and QCats.
Some of the biggest fights ive been in have been in matar space.
Pretty big ABHAC fight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Xj_SqQo0Q
Fight after Swinging Sisiede http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjFNMliB584 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTXyszYVAJM
Well done matar. People are still saying that you only hit tier 5 because of goons lol |

David Devant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
12
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:16:00 -
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WP Metro Contingent :) |

Seraphine Keratuus
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
5
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:27:00 -
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Indeed well played.
I salute ye warriors! |

Babar Baboli
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
5
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:36:00 -
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Well plexed! I look forward to when we hit T5, so I can convert all that juicy LP. |

Seraphine Keratuus
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
5
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Posted - 2012.08.13 10:42:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:You know what the truly scary/hilarious part is?
I bet that their withdrawal was time based and not objective based (sorry chest beaters) and they are probably leaving with well fattened wallets, despite losses thanks to the gross over-incentivization of FW.
Are people really happy with FW having been reduced to a farm where bloated null bodies come to fatten up before going back out into dull-sec? Nulli is a relatively small (numerically) null entity and still managed to completely turn the war around ..
FW for the actual FW crowd no longer exists in my opinion, it was eroded by FarmWarsGäó expansion patch, zero standing requirement, alliances allowed with no caveats and of course the fact that complaints/whines/observations by people in the trenches have been ignored by the powers that be. CCP has played their hand very well indeed, they probably had a blueprint of what they wanted FW to be and knowing that people would object to becoming a Null wallet support group they made the changes in small increments .. and thus FarmWarsGäó emerged from the rotting corpse of FW with not so much as a "Hmmph, why I never!" or a "Wait a minute, that can't be right!" from the masses.
It is my sincerest hope that CCP has a truly magical rabbit to pull out come December .. but judging by opening comment in minutes I doubt they have an interest in letting FW be anything more than a null support feature.
There is an old saying in EVE: Adapt or Die!
When FW was changed with Inferno CCP did smt very very right. They brought the one thing to FW that was desperatly needed: Change.
Many of the things they did were not perfect, some are just bad but none of that really matters. There is life again in FW, there is Drama, Explosions etc. In short...its content. There is once again a reason for people to log into the Game were there was none before.
But changes like that require people to change aswell. Playstyles had to adapt or be abandoned.
Many in the Amarr Militia didnt adapt and left the game and "died" in a sense. Some of them adapted and more joined up and its a new game now. You and your Corp left.
Personaly i think the biggest Problem FW has currently is that its very difficult for new players to make money from FW and thus to really become a part of the FW community. There are ways ofc but its harder then it was before the Inferno changes. Especially if the Militia he is in is hard pressed and doesnt hold many systems.
Sry about any grammar- and spelling-mistakes. |

Horak Thor
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
26
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:28:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:You know what the truly scary/hilarious part is?
I bet that their withdrawal was time based and not objective based (sorry chest beaters) and they are probably leaving with well fattened wallets, despite losses thanks to the gross over-incentivization of FW.
Are people really happy with FW having been reduced to a farm where bloated null bodies come to fatten up before going back out into dull-sec? Nulli is a relatively small (numerically) null entity and still managed to completely turn the war around ..
FW for the actual FW crowd no longer exists in my opinion, it was eroded by FarmWarsGäó expansion patch, zero standing requirement, alliances allowed with no caveats and of course the fact that complaints/whines/observations by people in the trenches have been ignored by the powers that be. CCP has played their hand very well indeed, they probably had a blueprint of what they wanted FW to be and knowing that people would object to becoming a Null wallet support group they made the changes in small increments .. and thus FarmWarsGäó emerged from the rotting corpse of FW with not so much as a "Hmmph, why I never!" or a "Wait a minute, that can't be right!" from the masses.
It is my sincerest hope that CCP has a truly magical rabbit to pull out come December .. but judging by opening comment in minutes I doubt they have an interest in letting FW be anything more than a null support feature.
Time based or not (we realize they probably had to go help there NC. brosefs etc) def plexing a 8 system constellation with some extra systems to boot is a large under taking, done by a very very small ammount of people from a number of alliances. When they made there push and there were 10 WT's in each system of our constellation, we managed to use a 15 man fleet to keep the entire area under 10% contested and then spent the following 12 hours fully decontesting it.
this was there final push to get enough systems for T5 andw e realized if we killed enough and made it mind numbing enough for them they would just give in and cash out at T4, (or so we hoped).
But i agree that the recent changes are a bit borked. a system should have a time limit at vulnerable. we shouldnt be able to lock out the enemy militia or for you to lock us out from flipping systems or defending it via unlimited vulnerable systems and the enemy militia not flipping them.
Im just glad thats over tbh, logging on everyday to def plex was getting tedious so im gonna get as drunk as is possible because i take this game way to serious :)
PS. should also put here that this was just our mind numbing grind against Nulli. Late night did an awesome job fighting blobs in huola to hold that. and iron oxide. managed to keep Auga in our hands through what is probably the hardest assault on one of our systems sov. TRIAD is recruiting "TRIAD Agency" in game channel |

Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
68
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:39:00 -
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Seraphine Keratuus wrote:Many of the things they did were not perfect, some are just bad but none of that really matters. There is life again in FW, there is Drama, Explosions etc. In short...its content. There is once again a reason for people to log into the Game were there was none before.
I let you all in into my tinfoil theory
FW changes happened for three reasons:
1: CCP wants more subscriptions (Everyone and their dog makes an FW alt for farming isk)
2: FW farming (while it lasts) more or less makes so that high-sec mission running becomes unprofitable business in regards to faction items as peoples reserves will probably be filled to brim and market prices stay low for a long time.
3: FW sucks in away lot of spare isk from the economy as side process because FW itself does not generate isk aside from miniscule mission payments.
So CCP lets FW cornucopia spill out the goodies for a while before nerfing it out. Thus they have padded their own revenue and stealth nerfed high-sec without having to suffer another massive forum threads from high-sec dwellers since it will be players who did the whole thing.
And after nerf, FW gets relocated back as a bastard aspect of Eve and good luck waiting for next "makeover". |

Thomas Kreshant
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
148
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:13:00 -
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Seraphine Keratuus wrote: There is life again in FW, there is Drama, Explosions etc. In short...its content.
lol
FW is PVE no drama or explosions required. |

Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
99
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:19:00 -
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Damn, looks like I missed a lot of fun during last weekend... Congratulations to all Ushra'Khan members for doing a good job. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
371
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:24:00 -
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Thomas Kreshant wrote:FW is PVE no drama or explosions required. FW is what you make it. Non-stop PVP, easy isk on the side to pay for non-stop pvp. |

Wenron
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
44
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:40:00 -
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Joanna Ramirez wrote:Seraphine Keratuus wrote:Many of the things they did were not perfect, some are just bad but none of that really matters. There is life again in FW, there is Drama, Explosions etc. In short...its content. There is once again a reason for people to log into the Game were there was none before. I let you all in into my tinfoil theory FW changes happened for three reasons: 1: CCP wants more subscriptions (Everyone and their dog makes an FW alt for farming isk) 2: FW farming (while it lasts) more or less makes so that high-sec mission running becomes unprofitable business in regards to faction items as peoples reserves will probably be filled to brim and market prices stay low for a long time. 3: FW sucks in away lot of spare isk from the economy as side process because FW itself does not generate isk aside from miniscule mission payments. So CCP lets FW cornucopia spill out the goodies for a while before nerfing it out. Thus they have padded their own revenue and stealth nerfed high-sec without having to suffer another massive forum threads from high-sec dwellers since it will be players who did the whole thing. And after nerf, FW gets relocated back as a bastard aspect of Eve and good luck waiting for next "makeover".
Your tin foil theory may also just be added perks to a reactionary mechanics change. Who knows. I'd like to think that you are right and that CCP is smug-level clever and fooling us all. But again, who knows.
I give CCP credit for making FW more interesting and much larger than previously (at least compared to my last involvement a year ago).
I still don't like the unlimited amount of offensive plexing in vulnerable systems and the gunless plexers.
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Lugalzagezi666
56
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:48:00 -
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Wenron wrote:I give CCP credit for making FW more interesting How hundreds (or thousands?) of few days old alts in gunless t1 frigs make fw more interesting?  |

Sehanine
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
4
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:51:00 -
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Well, good times behind and good times ahead. I do need to tip my hat to the defensive plexers on the Minmatar side. I've spent a lot of time with them over the past few months, and most of the pilots were respectable individuals and we had good conversation. My accolades and commentary speaks both pre and post Nulli. Those tasked with defending the Taff pocket, my hat goes off to you, you have excelled in ways other groups would only dream of. Your persistence at defending your home, with no reward, is respectable and formidable. The groups in charge of the Dal cluster and Arzad, you too presented a challenge, both in your persistence of pursuit and willingness to spend hours upon hours undoing all of my work (youuuu bast*rds). While peoples' willingness to stay around and try to catch me tapered off near the end (which kind of sucked by the way, I enjoyed the cat and mouse the most), your unfaltering willingness to spend countless unrewarded hours defensive plexing while I was asleep.. I tip my hat.
I think it's often lost to many in faction warfare that, according to the current mechanics as defined by the sandbox.. the PVP extends to activities that don't normally constitute PVP. Maybe in my times spent plexing over the past few months, I've come to realize that in its current iteration, Faction warfare presents the ability to meta PVP within the game. You still have your actual fighting, and the added intricacies of ship class limitations at the choicest locations/objectives, but you also have a war of the mind. How far will you go to win? How bored are you willing to be, how many times will you orbit the button? What is the strength of your convictions and your tenacity and fortitude to see your convictions manifested? Whether that was intended or not doesn't matter; that is simply how it is.
Tier 4 wasn't the goal from the outset, but between fighting against hordes of defensive plexers, time box limitations from major contributing parties, alts of the enemy performing psyops and physical issues, a lack of SP/ISK, I'm proud of what Amarr accomplished, collectively. I thank Nulli for their support with capturing the ihubs (40 captured in 12 hours is no small feat), I also thank the other members of the Amarr militia ( I didn't vuln >all< of those 20 systems we had before Nulli joined by myself). While I don't wish to encourage Amarr to fall back on their laurels and break their own backs with self-aggrandizing praise, I do think some congratulations and "well dones" are in order. We definitely didn't do too bad for our first attempt. Next time, we should be better prepared for the challenges we faced, and hopefully able to capitalize for even greater reward. I know that tier 4 was a much needed/welcomed capital injection for many of the Amarr fighters (I walked away from the 8 hours of bouncing to tier 4 yesterday with 30b banked), and hopefully we make the best of it.
It is kind of sad though, that our general consensus/plan now involves using isk gained in the tier 4 push to PLEX alts into existence to run missions from minmatar hubs/run complexes in caldari space and cash out with Minmatar LP when they push themselves to tier 5; but.. again this is the way the system is currently built.. Regardless, we'll still get fights close by, and with everyone rich, they should be well and truly glorious.
I'm sure many will try to take away from the Amarr militia's accomplishments, this has already begun. I'm sure many Amarr will go into the meta of "We didn't want tier 5 anyways," I'm sure that's already started too. The truth of the matter is, we didn't need tier 5, no one ever does. I do think we did need tier 4, and we got it. We needed to prove it was able to occur. The people that were actively involved in the militia fleets and their respective corporation operations know that we didn't ride on the backs of Nulli, and Nulli knows they didn't ride on our backs either; but we all know that we don't need Nulli to do what was done, and we could do it again if it is needed; but it's not. It's far easier to run missions/plexes on a Minmatar alt for the ISK, and pew pew pew on the Amarr. It truly is the best of both worlds, the quickest fights (undock in kourmonen, get fite), the quickest ISK(undock SB alt in deep metro mission hub, run mission, cash in, profit).
Either way, congrats to all. As the 40-ish systems currently burn with raising contention levels, I find peace in knowing that a lot of that upcoming ISK is going to find its way back into the pockets of the Amarr militia as well. |

Wenron
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
44
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Posted - 2012.08.13 13:59:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Wenron wrote:I give CCP credit for making FW more interesting How hundreds (or thousands?) of few days old alts in gunless t1 frigs make fw more interesting? 
If it weren't more interesting there would be no draw for gunless alts. Additionally, I think that there has been a fair number of people genuinely drawn into FW who wouldn't have otherwise joined. YMMV, these are just my opinions with which you may disagree. |

Lugalzagezi666
56
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:10:00 -
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Wenron wrote:Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Wenron wrote:I give CCP credit for making FW more interesting How hundreds (or thousands?) of few days old alts in gunless t1 frigs make fw more interesting?  If it weren't more interesting there would be no draw for gunless alts. Additionally, I think that there has been a fair number of people genuinely drawn into FW who wouldn't have otherwise joined. YMMV, these are just my opinions with which you may disagree.
99% of the people who joined fw after the "fix" are there only and only to exploit stupid game mechanics and farm lps. If the mechanics was balanced, they wouldnt even think about joining. They also didnt bring anything worth mentioning to fw - unless you consider chasing few days old alts in t1 frigs quality pvp experience. |

Ezra Tair
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
85
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Posted - 2012.08.13 14:28:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Wenron wrote:Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Wenron wrote:I give CCP credit for making FW more interesting How hundreds (or thousands?) of few days old alts in gunless t1 frigs make fw more interesting?  If it weren't more interesting there would be no draw for gunless alts. Additionally, I think that there has been a fair number of people genuinely drawn into FW who wouldn't have otherwise joined. YMMV, these are just my opinions with which you may disagree. 99% of the people who joined fw after the "fix" are there only and only to exploit stupid game mechanics and farm lps. If the mechanics was balanced, they wouldnt even think about joining. They also didnt bring anything worth mentioning to fw - unless you consider chasing few days old alts in t1 frigs quality pvp experience.
I'll have you know, entire corps have evolved over camping the same gate and killing all the noobs they possibly can in low-sec. Its a time honored tradition in low-sec the chasing noob KMs. |

X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
371
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Posted - 2012.08.13 15:19:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:Wenron wrote:I give CCP credit for making FW more interesting How hundreds (or thousands?) of few days old alts in gunless t1 frigs make fw more interesting?  Gunless T1 frig hasn't made FW more interesting, but my killboard has skyrocketed since May - and for that CCP gets a +1. |

Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
94
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Posted - 2012.08.13 16:13:00 -
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Yeah well done guys! Lots of folks deserve credit for this.
QCats had a blast  Is sexy time? |

Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
251
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Posted - 2012.08.13 17:22:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:Time based or not (we realize they probably had to go help there NC. brosefs etc) def plexing a 8 system constellation with some extra systems to boot is a large under taking, done by a very very small ammount of people from a number of alliances.... I know it too well, was part of the ~20 man group of assorted individuals who held you Shakorites back for more than three years .. bad enough then, can't even imagine how horrible it must be now that there are infini-ISK involved and everyone can speed tank everything 
Working as intended .. hahahahahahahahahahaha. |

Soon Shin
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
129
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Posted - 2012.08.13 18:19:00 -
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Lol Farmville. |
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