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Waaaaaagggh
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Posted - 2010.12.20 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Waaaaaagggh on 20/12/2010 03:10:56
Why are people saying eve is dying? Last i checked the subscriber base is increasing...
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Zora'e
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Posted - 2010.12.20 03:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Waaaaaagggh
sorry to sound lke a noob but i'm kinda new to the eve community. why are people saying eve is dying? Last i checked the subscriber base is increasing...
Eve has been dieing since the day the servers started up. Get used to hearing it.
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Waaaaaagggh
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Posted - 2010.12.20 03:37:00 -
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so whenever the servers have issues, eve is dying. hmmm
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Zora'e
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Posted - 2010.12.20 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Waaaaaagggh
so whenever the servers have issues, eve is dying. hmmm
Or whenever someone gets mad about something like a ship loss because they were not paying atention, or claimed lag or any number of other similar things.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2010.12.20 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Waaaaaagggh
Why are people saying eve is dying? Last i checked the subscriber base is increasing...
Because they can and something irritated them. No restrictions on making threads after all.
Why do people biatch about the weather/traffic/relation/etc etc.
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Zeuth Proxy
Caldari
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2010.12.20 03:57:00 -
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Its the same as saying "Everyone is dying since the day they where born". Its the good old pessimistic outlook on things in which everything will come to a end at some point. It all depends on the actions that are taken to either speed the process up or slow it down.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.12.20 04:10:00 -
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Something bad happens so to feel better I need a six page Rant about how X is responsible instead of me, followed by false threats of Rage Quiting while trying to encourage otheres to do the same.
Or something along those lines.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.20 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Waaaaaagggh
Edited by: Waaaaaagggh on 20/12/2010 03:10:56
Why are people saying eve is dying? Last i checked the subscriber base is increasing...
For the same reason WoW is dying. 
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Kobushi
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Posted - 2010.12.20 07:08:00 -
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Same reason EVERYTHING is dying and that include time, matter, energy and everythign else...Entropy will overcome everything in the end.
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.12.20 07:09:00 -
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Everyone abandon ship! Eve is dying!
First contract all your stuff to me so I can look after it during the final dying moments!
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2010.12.20 07:51:00 -
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By the emperor, as if the trolls were not enough, now we must face orcs as well.
Originally by: Samuel Langhorne Clemens
I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.12.20 08:06:00 -
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Some people say EVE is dying because they have the perception that only the number of accounts, not the number of players increases.
Other people think CCP tries to market the game too much to a very broad audience (through various gameplay changes) at which it will fail (like pretty much any other MMORPG trying to compete with WoW) while driving away the "hardcore" audience that make up the niche EVE could exist in for the last 6 years.
But most people just use this statement as a meme or in a purely personal fashion (EVE is becoming uninteresting to me).
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Fart Taco
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Posted - 2010.12.20 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kobushi
Same reason EVERYTHING is dying and that include time, matter, energy and everythign else...Entropy will overcome everything in the end.
mother****ing this!
we will all meet the great void! there is nothing we can do. we will all cease to exist one day.
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Eastman Color
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Posted - 2010.12.20 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Waaaaaagggh
so whenever the servers have issues, eve is dying. hmmm
Different things for different people tbh:-
Spirit of the game is dying as percieved by those crying, eve's pvp and we keep getting more and more pve content.
Aspects of the game keep getting simplerfied.
The "good old days of expic conflicts" are long gone.
"epic dramas" don't seem so epic anymore
"some pirate blowded up my ibis"
Just because subscription goes up doesn't mean a game's getting "better" to those that first started playing it\the dedicated core.
I mean... Halo is the most average FPS out there and loads of people play it, doesn't make it good.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.12.20 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Waaaaaagggh
Edited by: Waaaaaagggh on 20/12/2010 03:10:56
Why are people saying eve is dying? Last i checked the subscriber base is increasing...
EVE isnt dieing????  It was when I joined in 2005! And still did a year later in 2006! And in 2007 it was certainly dieing, not to mention back in 2008! And ofcource dont forget 2009 and 2010! So its only proper that it will continue this trend in 2011, no??? 
Seriously? The day someone on the forums tell me that EVE is flourishing and growing; that day I will start to worry! 
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Posted - 2010.12.20 10:50:00 -
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It's kinda like a fat man eating more food.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.12.20 10:59:00 -
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The game is always changing.
Those who don't like the changes at all, will go to great lengths at rationalizing the fact as game decay.
IE some famous and even great players, corps and even web sites have closed down since they did not like EvE going mainstream, losing its "goden age rough game aura" and basically going to be another easy mode MMO driven by RMT.
Is EvE dying? No!
But once more reference players (with my same tastes) of a certain game era will keep quitting, then I'll understand the time has come for me as well. It'll mean some factors they liked, are just not here any more.
IE if I'll keep seeing more botting, more blob centric playing, more "easy mode, just PAY" (be it RMT or some stupid new PLEX-alike garbage), then the game will have died *for me*, and it'll be time to move on.
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Shawshanke
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Posted - 2010.12.20 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Waaaaaagggh
Edited by: Waaaaaagggh on 20/12/2010 03:10:56
Why are people saying eve is dying? Last i checked the subscriber base is increasing...
EVE is dying due to a lack of pets, we gets no cats, no demons, no bears or birds.... just little green squares
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.12.20 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Eastman Color
...loads of people play it, doesn't make it good.
Not to nitpick but yes actually it is good. To all those extra players who play it. If it was not good for them they would not play it.
Just because something is not good for you personally does not automatically make it bad for the many others who join or continue playing.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2010.12.20 11:24:00 -
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EVE is dying threads have been posted since the game started and we get regular "why EVE will die out soon/is so small/fail/niche/horribad, if it doesn't cater to 'insert your personal taste here' immediately." -threads. After reading and seeing them being proven wrong again and again for years you reach a point where when another one pops up all you can be bothered to do is to post "EVE is dying!" and just leave it at that.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.12.20 12:14:00 -
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Because
- CCP has demonstrated their incompetence innumerable times on multiple levels
- CCP got greedy, putting marketable features over fixing the game
- CCP still thinks Second Life is the future and will try to bring the dress-up-crowd into the game
- CCP got out of touch with the player base and some of its sections have developed a "lol customers" attitude
Funny how CCP is part of all those problems...
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Eastman Color
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Posted - 2010.12.20 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lillith Starfire
Not to nitpick
That's exactly what you're doing
Originally by: Lillith Starfire
but yes actually it is good. To all those extra players who play it. If it was not good for them they would not play it.
Theoretically, you're right but, and here's the but that makes things complicated,
If we're talking about halo,
How many of those people that think halo is superawesome have play other fps games?
How many of them keep playing Halo "because they can pwn in it" rather than others they may not be as good at?
How many halo fans got the game with their xbox and didn't bother paying out ú30 a pop for other games?
How many other companies have the ability to push a game as much as the larger boys like MS\EA?
If we're talking about eve then,
How many are on trial accounts?
How many of those trial account convert to subscribers per month?
How many new trial accounts are created each month?
How many accounts of x/y/z months/years are cancelled each month?
How many people log in and just chat to people with doing other stuff?
How many people log in just to set skills going?
These are all statistics I'd be surprised to see in the quarterly econimic review.
Originally by: Lillith Starfire
Just because something is not good for you personally does not automatically make it bad for the many others who join or continue playing.
Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's good.
Look at primark, it's ****, it's hideous to visit, they treat people like dirt and it sells cheap as **** ****e yet it's popular.
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Killerjock
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Posted - 2010.12.20 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Killerjock on 20/12/2010 13:19:34
Originally by: Eastman Color
If we're talking about eve then,
How many are on trial accounts?
How many of those trial account convert to subscribers per month?
How many new trial accounts are created each month?
How many accounts of x/y/z months/years are cancelled each month?
How many people log in and just chat to people with doing other stuff?
How many people log in just to set skills going?
That is actually not very important in my view. IF I continue paying for my subscription that means I'm planning to USE those skills one day. Even if I just logged in for skill updates, why pay $15/eu15 a month if that's just bits accruing in a server I won't visit again?
What does count is how many active accounts there are. Those are the people that, now or later, will play eve again. New subs and cancelled subs as well.
But I recently started an alt and there was a big bunch of new players doing stupid things in the training system, so I'd say there's still quite some new player coming in. Hell, I just had my first eve-versary ;)
Eve ain't dying.
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Just because something is not good for you personally does not automatically make it bad for the many others who join or continue playing.
Agreed.
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Nomad Vherokic
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Posted - 2010.12.20 13:49:00 -
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I'd rather die first and grow younger. At the end of my life I'd end up as an orgasm... |
Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.12.20 14:06:00 -
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Its just what whiners says when they are gutted at a loss of some sort, eve is most certainly not dying, as you can see for yourself if you check your numbers, its going to keep going up too, the internet is flashing up more EVE ads than ever before.
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.12.20 15:23:00 -
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Repent! The end is nigh!
fake edit:damn wrong forum.
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Tyber Zaan
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Posted - 2010.12.20 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx
Because
- CCP has demonstrated their incompetence innumerable times on multiple levels
- CCP got greedy, putting marketable features over fixing the game
- CCP still thinks Second Life is the future and will try to bring the dress-up-crowd into the game
- CCP got out of touch with the player base and some of its sections have developed a "lol customers" attitude
Funny how CCP is part of all those problems...
1. [CITATION NEEDED]- If you are referring to lag/macro issues. They cant fix these things with a flick of a switch you know. If you are referring to server crashes, EVE actually has one of the more stable servers Ive seen.
2. ORLY? Source for this statement? Are you actually inside CCP and are being shown their priorites on a list? No, your just pulling crap out of your ass.
3. WAAAAAH! I HATE INCARNA CCP STOP MAKING IT NOW AND FOCUS ON WHAT I LIKE WAAAAH!
4. Funny, last I checked CCP was constantly adding things players asked for, example, Rocket rebalancing, T2 ammo rebalancing, and other small stuff. Just because they aren't giving you what YOU want NOW doesn't mean they are "out of touch".
TL;DR- Eve is not dying, HTFU
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
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Posted - 2010.12.20 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Its just what whiners says when they are gutted at a loss of some sort, eve is most certainly not dying, as you can see for yourself if you check your numbers, its going to keep going up too, the internet is flashing up more EVE ads than ever before.
THIS.
I can't go ANYWHERE without seeing an ad for EVE.
Not to say that's a bad thing, I just find it weird that, say, when I'm looking for a good recipe for chicken marinade, I see adverts telling me to pwn the universe.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2010.12.20 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tyber Zaan
1. [CITATION NEEDED]- If you are referring to lag/macro issues. They cant fix these things with a flick of a switch you know. If you are referring to server crashes, EVE actually has one of the more stable servers Ive seen.
Nobody said anything about lag/macro. Even without those there are innumerable displays of incompetence. And it's not only technical issues you know.
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2. ORLY? Source for this statement? Are you actually inside CCP and are being shown their priorites on a list? No, your just pulling crap out of your ass.
Dude, it's official, but I guess you've been living under a rock.
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3. WAAAAAH! I HATE INCARNA CCP STOP MAKING IT NOW AND FOCUS ON WHAT I LIKE WAAAAH!
Oh, so you hate Incarna. I don't know if I'll hate it, but what is known gives reason for concern, especially considering CCPs track record and slim chances of fitting second life inspired gameplay into the eve universe. Considering the risk and the development resources put into it it is an unwise business decision to say the least. Icarna can safely be called CCPs white elephant.
I believe Incarna will be a turning point for eve, either CCP will somehow make it work, or it'll really die down from there. Just look at how all the disappointments have resulted in a net decrease of player accounts in recent times. At least that is a language that CCP understands.
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4. Funny, last I checked CCP was constantly adding things players asked for, example, Rocket rebalancing, T2 ammo rebalancing, and other small stuff. Just because they aren't giving you what YOU want NOW doesn't mean they are "out of touch".
"Out of touch" was the consensus TL;DR of all that was said, revealed and discussed around the CSM summit, but you must also have forgotten all that already. Now CCP throws players a bone or two for pacification of the community after the massive outcry, and you too seem happy. And yes, from internals we DO know that customer support sees the forum and vocal players mainly as a nuisance.
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TL;DR- Eve is not dying, HTFU
Cool, you found a way to place last years meme in the thread.
If I didn't care for the game I wouldn't be debating it with gentlemen like you. In the end I would like to be an optimist in regards to Eve, but after all the stunts CCP pulled, it is difficult.
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The Shoop Group
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Posted - 2010.12.20 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sixtina KL on 20/12/2010 16:41:07
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