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Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2010.12.21 16:37:00 - [1] Really need some loving... There is little to no usage of medium and small remote repairs, Cap transfers, and NOBODY uses the tracking mods. I don't want a tanked out beast of a t1 cruiser, but it needs to be viable at LEAST. About the only thing I use in combat is the gallente hull, and I have to shield buffer tank the damn thing. (Solo small gang armor repper that stays at range) The amarr ship is decent... Ideas: Make the minny have a drone repper bonus? Gallente needs a hell of a lot more low slots. Augoror really is ok...No thoughts on what it's role is. Caldari.....it's a joke, and all it's used for is pos repping. (Not enough mids or cpu) I don't want awesome t1 hulls, I want VIABLE t1 hulls. It's small but it'd be nice for those of us that enjoy the t1 cruisers. Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Stareatthesun No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down. Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S
Torothanax	Posted - 2010.12.21 17:06:00 - [2] It's the tier system they use. T1 "logistics" cruisers are tier 1, which means they are crap. Less all stats/slot across the board. That and they have a split purpose with no role bonuses.
Karlhockey Forte ShinRa Space Exploration	Posted - 2010.12.21 17:46:00 - [3] Take a look at quite a few ships across the board, not just the Tier 1 Cruisers. Procurer for example. Completely outmined by a decent mining crusier. Most of these ships are there for all intents and purposes, are just there to be invented into Tech IIs hulls. Most of the "useless" Tech I hulls are amazing Tech IIs hulls, for example all of the Logistics, Recons, the Skiff, all the T2 frigs.
Chuc Morris	Posted - 2010.12.21 17:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Torothanax It's the tier system they use. T1 "logistics" cruisers are tier 1, which means they are crap. Less all stats/slot across the board. That and they have a split purpose with no role bonuses. Does someone uses those ones for other thing then mining?
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2010.12.21 17:51:00 - [5] Edited by: Megan Maynard on 21/12/2010 17:52:49 Originally by: Torothanax It's the tier system they use. T1 "logistics" cruisers are tier 1, which means they are crap. Less all stats/slot across the board. That and they have a split purpose with no role bonuses. So following your logic.... The thrasher is horrible because it's a tier 1 destroyer and the sabre should be WAY better then it. (It's not) There aren't a whole lot of tier 1 ships out there, and there is no reason the ship has to be so horrible it has little to no place even existing on the server... I don't want them better, I want them VIABLE. As in they have a purpose. If the minny ship is supposed to be a mining cruiser, make it that and get rid of the stupid remote tracking bonus. T1 does not mean the ship has to be useless. As for the mining procurer, it's use is a stepping stone torwards the better ships. It's cheaper to buy and can fit a strip miner. Those are all roles, and it has appropriate slots and bonuses for that. These ships DO NOT. Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Stareatthesun No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down. Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S
Torothanax	Posted - 2010.12.21 18:01:00 - [6] So following your logic.... The thrasher is horrible because it's a tier 1 destroyer and the sabre should be WAY better then it. (It's not) There aren't a whole lot of tier 1 ships out there, and there is no reason the ship has to be so horrible it has little to no place even existing on the server... I don't want them better, I want them VIABLE. As in they have a purpose. If the minny ship is supposed to be a mining cruiser, make it that and get rid of the stupid remote tracking bonus. T1 does not mean the ship has to be useless. As for the mining procurer, it's use is a stepping stone torwards the better ships. It's cheaper to buy and can fit a strip miner. Those are all roles, and it has appropriate slots and bonuses for that. These ships DO NOT. Whoa whoa whoa, overly defensive much? I never said the tier system was a good system, I just said that's why some ships suck. Destroyers and battlcruisers, if I remember correctly, were added after they laid out the frigates, cruisers, and battleships. They are more of a niche ship and a side grade to the main classes. Ever notice you don't need destroyer skills to fly a cruiser? There aren't a whole lot of tier one ships out there? Try again. There's at least 4 of each class. There are 2 or 3 tier 1 frigates for each race if I'm not mistaken. I'm starting to think you don't know what you're talking about. Might wanna get all the facts before you start a discussion.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2010.12.21 18:06:00 - [7] Originally by: Torothanax So following your logic.... The thrasher is horrible because it's a tier 1 destroyer and the sabre should be WAY better then it. (It's not) There aren't a whole lot of tier 1 ships out there, and there is no reason the ship has to be so horrible it has little to no place even existing on the server... I don't want them better, I want them VIABLE. As in they have a purpose. If the minny ship is supposed to be a mining cruiser, make it that and get rid of the stupid remote tracking bonus. T1 does not mean the ship has to be useless. As for the mining procurer, it's use is a stepping stone torwards the better ships. It's cheaper to buy and can fit a strip miner. Those are all roles, and it has appropriate slots and bonuses for that. These ships DO NOT. Whoa whoa whoa, overly defensive much? I never said the tier system was a good system, I just said that's why some ships suck. Destroyers and battlcruisers, if I remember correctly, were added after they laid out the frigates, cruisers, and battleships. They are more of a niche ship and a side grade to the main classes. Ever notice you don't need destroyer skills to fly a cruiser? There aren't a whole lot of tier one ships out there? Try again. There's at least 4 of each class. There are 2 or 3 tier 1 frigates for each race if I'm not mistaken. I'm starting to think you don't know what you're talking about. Might wanna get all the facts before you start a discussion. Tier 1 = Need skill level to 1 to fly them.... And saying they should suck "just because" is why I have a problem with them. Imagine if the lowest tier BS sucked just because it was the lowest tier, people would flip lol. It's a way overlooked ship class that hasn't been revisted in some time. Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Stareatthesun No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down. Thankfully I've got Interceptors trained to V. S
Chuc Morris	Posted - 2010.12.21 18:22:00 - [8] Quote: And saying they should suck "just because" is why I have a problem with them. Imagine if the lowest tier BS sucked just because it was the lowest tier, people would flip lol. I don't think someone here says that just because is tier1 some ship must suck, the problem is in the "Tier" system. And yes, i must tell you that if you whant to fly something useless and horrible to fly with BS lvl 1 take a domi, this thing is just unfitable, no cap no pg no cpu all you cna do is put some drones and let them do the job, you can also put some 250mm Rils on it but it's pretty useless if you are not perfect skils. But to be honest, having perfect skils and like to fly domi's you have to be masochist
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate	Posted - 2010.12.21 20:25:00 - [9] Ospreys are full of RR love when flown in groups.
1600 RT	Posted - 2010.12.21 20:31:00 - [10] osprey and exequoror are passable. they are not even near to their T2 version and they shouldnt. adjust their fitting a bit. but the augoror ad the scythe are just plain useless, remove tracking link and energy transfer for shield and armor re bonus (adjust fittings)

Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2010.12.21 23:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Megan Maynard Really need some loving... Make them all actual logistics T1 cruisers. Common boost (all 4): +1 slot and a bit of fittings. Scythe: Change remote tracking to shield RR Augoror: Change cap transfer to armour RR. Gives all races a cheap'ish low-skill version of the actual logistics that will die in a heartbeat thanks to T1 cruiser signature and resists.


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