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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar
STRAG3S
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Posted - 2010.12.21 22:10:00 -
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My alt is about to finish training the covert ops skill. He has enough of a learning skill rebate to pick up any racial frigate 5 skill. I haven't decided yet between Minmatar and Caldari.
Which is better for covert ops (both stealth bombing and probing)? To add some context, I live in a wormhole. I'm leaning towards Caldari, mostly because I've been flying Minmatar ships my whole life and it would be more interesting to me to start using some other races.
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2010.12.21 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Nares on 21/12/2010 22:27:43
 Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
I recommend you to learn Amarr frigate 5.
Purifier is the best SB, and Anathema is the best scanning cov ops imo (also it looks awesome).
Choosing between Matar and Caldari only, I'd choose Matar.
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.21 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Nares
Edited by: Captain Nares on 21/12/2010 22:27:43
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Purifier is the best SB, and Anathema is the best scanning cov ops imo (also it looks awesome).
Can please be a little bit more specific? What is it about the Purifier that makes it the best SB?
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2010.12.21 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Nares
Edited by: Captain Nares on 21/12/2010 22:27:43
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
I recommend you to learn Amarr frigate 5.
Purifier is the best SB, and Anathema is the best scanning cov ops imo (also it looks awesome).
Choosing between Matar and Caldari only, I'd choose Matar.
it is actually debatable.
cheetah only problem it has it's the ****ing tiny grid the damn thing sports (and it's butt ugly ) and the hound is nearly on par with the purifier.
in sum, yes go matar.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2010.12.21 22:44:00 -
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you will find there is very little difference between the different SB's they all just about equal themselves out, same goes for cov-ops frigs(cov-op frigs use racial weapons so you will need lazers for amarr etc). Pick the one you like the look of best, for wormhole work thats about all you need to consider 
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Hounds of Anarchy
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Posted - 2010.12.21 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: ChromeStriker
you will find there is very little difference between the different SB's they all just about equal themselves out, same goes for cov-ops frigs
xcept the helios and the nemesis.
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2010.12.21 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Nares on 21/12/2010 23:50:24
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Can please be a little bit more specific? What is it about the Purifier that makes it the best SB?
Slot layout, EM dmg type, no fitting issues (mighty amarr pg), speed and agility.
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Buzzmong
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.12.22 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: ChromeStriker
cov-op frigs use racial weapons so you will need lazers for amarr etc
You're forgetting they're T2 ships. And what are a large amount of Amarr T2 ships? They're made by Khanid Innovation.
Khanid ships generally use missiles, or in the case of frigs, tricksy rocketses, and the Anathema is no exception.
Not that you'd ever actually attack anything barring a pod or another cov-ops in a cov-ops ship mind you.
FWIW, you might as well train Frigate to V in all races anyway, it's not exactly a long train and it'll give you all the options.
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.22 02:00:00 -
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I should also add that I'm a bit more concerned about probing than the SB. This is for my probing alt. Having an SB is a fringe benefit.
As far as probers go:
Minmatar: 3/4/3 15pg 275cpu
Caldari: 2/5/3 15pg 300cpu
Amarr: 3/4/3 20pg 280cpu
Gallente: 3/5/2 20pg 290cpu 5m^3drones
I would say that cpu is really the biggest issue for a prober. In addition to that, mid slots are the most useful for probers. Caldari wins in both these areas.
Damage output is normally very low priority for probers, especially in my case where this is a probing alt being used to bring in my main. Amarr and Gallente might have more pg and a drone, but that's not really useful stuff for probing.
Your thoughts?
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Aristeia Cersei
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Posted - 2010.12.22 02:10:00 -
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Minmatar covt ops is the fastest while cloaked. Mine does well over 600 m/s which is very handy when trying to close the gap on a target.
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tagen young
Caldari
The Night Witch
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Posted - 2010.12.22 02:39:00 -
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You said you want to try other races ships.
If thats the case not sure why Minmatar is even being discussed. Fly another race if you want a change.
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.12.22 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: tagen young
You said you want to try other races ships.
If thats the case not sure why Minmatar is even being discussed. Fly another race if you want a change.
I said I was "leaning towards" Caldari for the reason you stated above. It is one consideration, among many, that I am taking into account.
However, I think what the above discussion amounts to is that they're all pretty similar in terms of capabilities. Based on that, I think I'll take your suggestion and go with Caldari.
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Vjorn Angannon
Fleet Escort Services
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Posted - 2010.12.22 06:12:00 -
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Vicker,
My main flies Amarr covop/sb while my "alt-main" flies Matar covop/sb.
As far as which SB is "best" most consider either the Purifier(EM) or the Hound(Exp) best, mainly due to the bonused damage type out-put.
As far as covop is concerned, the main reason I like the cheetah is it's inherent better speed/agility. Yes it does have grid/cpu issues, but they can be overcome, whether thru fit/skill/implant.
Here is a fit I use for w-space:
[Cheetah, Poltergheist]
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I
1MN Afterburner II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager I /OFFLINE
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
requires either covop lvl 5 or a 1% cpu implant in slot 6....which for a probing alt shud be ok.
Ok, why the eccm? Makes this fit unprobable. 3 reasons I have them;
1. I never log him out in a pos, always in a safespot. However, lately that logout bug has been rearing it's head more and more (where u stay in space after logout even with no agression timers). Any mods that you have turned on, as long as you have cap, will remain on after logout until ship disappears (minus cloak of course). So I turn eccm on prior to logging out.
2. In an emergency situation, I can loot/salvage a site that I have a bm to, but has despawned, should visitors suddenly show up.
3. In the case of cloaked visitors, You know they are there, but you don't know what they are.....sometimes you can bait them to reveal themselves by "noobishly scanning while uncloaked". Make an unaligned bm, drop some cores somewhere, go to bm, align away from any celestial, decloak, turn eccm and ab on (not mwd!) and watch dscan  A couple weeks ago, I got a tengu, loki, falcon and helios to show themselves to me.
I use dualprop: AB for most normal times and mwd for getting outta bubbles on exits or at pos's.
Hope this helps.
Vj
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lag kills
Voodoo Tactical
Ghost Syndicate.
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Posted - 2010.12.22 07:14:00 -
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minmatar, just because of the other ships you can fly along with it. people love the speed of the cheetah, people love the hound. and the wolf, jaguar, rifter, stiletto... |
Nevryn Takis
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Posted - 2010.12.22 08:51:00 -
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Minmatar - if you're scanning in highsec the extra high slot enables you to fit a T2 150mm AC... this means you can clear most of the high value Radar and Mag complexes (all the codebreaker/analyzer ones) even if they have rats protecting them - (most are guarded by a few frigates).
Fit a AB in the mid to get the full benefit of a speed tank.
Might have to get a Caldari though and try a few WH...
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar
STRAG3S
STRAG3S.INC
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Posted - 2010.12.22 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nevryn Takis
Minmatar - if you're scanning in highsec the extra high slot enables you to fit a T2 150mm AC... this means you can clear most of the high value Radar and Mag complexes (all the codebreaker/analyzer ones) even if they have rats protecting them - (most are guarded by a few frigates).
Fit a AB in the mid to get the full benefit of a speed tank.
Might have to get a Caldari though and try a few WH...
What extra high slot? Also, if you can run WH Rads and Mags with a cov ops frigate, I'd like to know your secret.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.12.23 00:22:00 -
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I like both Cheetah and Hound because they're fast and agile. I don't think particularly highly of the Manticore. Buzzard's ok, I guess.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.23 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
I like both Cheetah and Hound because they're fast and agile. I don't think particularly highly of the Manticore. Buzzard's ok, I guess.
I pilot the Manticore and Buzzard.
Covert Ops racial doesn't seem to make a big difference except for one thing: stealth bomber damage. But because it doesn't take long to train frigate 5, people often train for more than one racial, and select the ship for the damage type they need.
The Manticore makes an exceptional ratting ship with 120 km range on Javelins. It has lots of mids for sensor boosters.
The Hound is exceptional for solo work, though you will still want to only solo ratting battleships that are not hardened for the damage type.
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Boreesh
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Posted - 2010.12.23 16:57:00 -
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I would offer my vote for Amarr.
You're going to stuff the lows with nanos and overdrives anyways for quick warping.
The Purifer spits out EM damage which I've found to be the best vs the Drakes you find in Wormholes, as well as Tengus should you gang up on them.
The Anathema has a tonne of grid and CPU for the usual goodies and does look the best by far.
If you live in a WH then any more attention on frigates is wasted (especially T1)
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Hauling Hal
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Posted - 2010.12.23 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Hauling Hal on 23/12/2010 17:31:53
nt misread.
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Hamatitio
Caldari
Dead poets society
The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2010.12.23 18:24:00 -
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Minmatar. Speed matters, moreso than anything else the other ships have going for them
Originally by: Forrest Gump
And that's all I got to say 'bout that.
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