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Andy Falck	Posted - 2005.01.17 19:48:00 - [1] Hello all, It is with sadness i witness Keiretsu Alliance way of dealing with peaceful corporations in Great Wildlands. About 8 - 10 peaceful corporations have established themselves in Great Wildlands before the fall of CA. Now, those corporations were told to leave Great Wildlands by Keiretsu immediately, before even some kind of negotiations were to be hold about our rights to exist in Great Wildlands. The only "offer" those corporations got, was either join immediately, or perish. Most of us have refused, and even through diplomatic connections with superiors of Keiretsu, we still haven¦t got any response that is worthwhile discussing. This lack of interest forced KTW into joining the Foundation, which was the only and the best alternative at hand, and the Foundation is the only ones at the moment showing interest in fighting Keiretsu, together with local resistance. I am very surprised about the SE NAP, which i didn¦t expect even to last this long. I can only say this: If Keiretsu is allowed to grow stronger, we will se another CA, new face but with old tactics, if not even worse. Keiretsu have constantly camped locals, trying to bleed us dry from gaming, making it impossible for us even to do peaceful things as npc hunting, trading, mining a.s.o. Any player in EVE who wants freedom should set course towards Great Wildlands and aid us in our fight for the right to exist there. This might be the most important appeal i have made on forums since i started playing the game. For the freedom of GW, for all our friends, i call upon you. Regards Andy Falck, CEO [KTW] Knights of the Wild (member of Foundation)
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.17 19:51:00 - [2] What corporations are part of this alliance. Reverend Necrona
Dathias	Posted - 2005.01.17 20:01:00 - [3] What happen in Great Wildlands now? Can anyone inform? i want join but dont know side where join
Drilla	Posted - 2005.01.17 20:09:00 - [4] All the old CA corps from the Great Wildlands have formed our own alliance with a whole other perspective on life in EVE and a new set of goals for the corps involved. The corps who lived in the area 'under the radar' during the CA was offered to join but to leave the GW for one week to allow peaceful talks to commence. These corps have been KOS to us for some time and we were willing to wipe the slate clean. They made it quite clear they just wanted access to the 'fruits' of the GW and didn't not want to even dicuss the single thing we asked them. If you decide to help out these rebels trying to harvest the ressources great wildlands and have no interrest in teamplay. - * pure moinage *
Methesda	Posted - 2005.01.17 20:12:00 - [5] Currently these corps are believed to be working as the Keiritsu: this information is the best we can obtain atm, and is being updated as often as possible. IseCara Inc Ise Cara Industries Gatekeepers [CWPK] CommonWealth Peacekeepers Solidline Enterprise Curse A11iance Black reign Dioretsu Col. Orion¦s Forge Ascendance Industries black omega security Section XIII lCdN Rev0luti0n Vogon Deconstrucion Fleet Corp 1 Vesper Finis 7th Space cavalry A99 Devil¦s Brigade Quam DLE 7th legion Black Lotus Clan CoreTech Daikatana Dental Drilling Corporation LoneStar Industries M. Corp Nomads Pingo corp Quasar Technologies Red Faction Softice inc. Space Wolves The Black Widows Aquilae Stellaris Phantom Squad Quasar Technologies Space Wolves Red Fraction Softice Inc. Nomads CoreTech Lonestar industries The Black Widows Pingo Daikatana Shinra Supremecy 7th Legion UA Industry The foundation is fighting well against these enemies, in honourable battles, but we are only so many. We have already experienced many major battles on almost a daily basis involving more than 60 ships more often than not, but also engaged in guerilla warfare on a constant basis in the channel from Egbinger to the Great Wildlands. B-VIP9 constantly changes hands during it's busiest periods. As has been reported the fighting has even spilled over into Egbinger, despite the intervention of the Concord sentries. I cannot overstate my support of my comrades stance. These people claim to be a more dictatorial version of the old Curse Alliance. They claim that they formed the new alliance because the old has grown 'soft'. Some of the old CA members that have seen the light of democracy and free market have already joined us in our struggle. I would urge all others who believe in the right to explore the areas that Concord are to bureaucratic to protect, to join us as the wing of freedom and justice. Signed Methesda.
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.17 20:17:00 - [6] Get better intel.... that's pretty much a list of the old CA. Reverend Necrona
Drilla	Posted - 2005.01.17 20:18:00 - [7] This goes to show the level of misinformation KTW is under and why this thread is utter rubbish. This is the COMPLETE list of Keiretsu members: 7th. Legion, Aquilae Stellaris, Black Lotus Clan CoreTech, Daikatana, Dental Drilling Corporation, GateKeepers, Lonestar Industries, M. Corp, Nomads, Pingo, Quasar Technologies, Red Faction, Softice Inc., Space Wolves, The Black Widows. - * pure moinage *
Shar Gath	Posted - 2005.01.17 20:24:00 - [8] Edited by: Shar Gath on 17/01/2005 20:25:08 Oh. And I thought its something important -------------------
Andy Falck	Posted - 2005.01.17 20:36:00 - [9] In response to Drillas post/s above: We were never informed what your alliance idea was about, we were never contacted by any superior from your alliance, we were only told to get out or perish. Also, in Methesdas post it read "believed to be working", now you cleared that issue out. What Keiretsu is doing atm, is to bleed people out, only talking, not giving options for those corporations who already did establish themselves in Great Wildlands before CA fall. Andy Falck, CEO [KTW] Knights of the Wild
Paganic	Posted - 2005.01.17 20:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Methesda Currently these corps are believed to be working as the Keiritsu: this information is the best we can obtain atm, and is being updated as often as possible. IseCara Inc Ise Cara Industries Gatekeepers [CWPK] CommonWealth Peacekeepers Solidline Enterprise Curse A11iance Black reign Dioretsu Col. Orion¦s Forge Ascendance Industries black omega security Section XIII lCdN Rev0luti0n Vogon Deconstrucion Fleet Corp 1 Vesper Finis 7th Space cavalry A99 Devil¦s Brigade Quam DLE 7th legion Black Lotus Clan CoreTech Daikatana Dental Drilling Corporation LoneStar Industries M. Corp Nomads Pingo corp Quasar Technologies Red Faction Softice inc. Space Wolves The Black Widows Aquilae Stellaris Phantom Squad Quasar Technologies Space Wolves Red Fraction Softice Inc. Nomads CoreTech Lonestar industries The Black Widows Pingo Daikatana Shinra Supremecy 7th Legion UA Industry The foundation is fighting well against these enemies, in honourable battles, but we are only so many. We have already experienced many major battles on almost a daily basis involving more than 60 ships more often than not, but also engaged in guerilla warfare on a constant basis in the channel from Egbinger to the Great Wildlands. B-VIP9 constantly changes hands during it's busiest periods. As has been reported the fighting has even spilled over into Egbinger, despite the intervention of the Concord sentries. I cannot overstate my support of my comrades stance. These people claim to be a more dictatorial version of the old Curse Alliance. They claim that they formed the new alliance because the old has grown 'soft'. Some of the old CA members that have seen the light of democracy and free market have already joined us in our struggle. I would urge all others who believe in the right to explore the areas that Concord are to bureaucratic to protect, to join us as the wing of freedom and justice. Signed Methesda. 1st of all this list is sooooo wrong. 2nd of all, why have you mentioned several corps more than once`? To make it look like you are fighting overwhelming odds maybe`? Of the actual member corps you have right I count the following counted more than once: 7th legion counted twice Coretech counted twice Daikatana counted twice Lonestar Industries counted twice Nomads counted twice Pingo corp counted twice Quasar Technologies counted twice Space Wolves counted twice So your initial list of 52 corporations being part of the Keiretsu might be impressing, but the actual amount should be 16, feel free to update your list according to Drilla's post. I know it doesnt look as bad as 52, but with your list I can only think that you made it that big by purpose, cause otherwise you need to fire the ppl doing your intelligence. As to The Keiretsu claiming to be a more dictatorial version of the old CA is wrong, the only thing we have in common with CA is that we were once all members of CA, and thus we became friends due to working together over a long period of time. As the The Keiretsu claiming that we formed because the old alliance became "soft", thats just so far out that it doesnt need commenting We are NOT CA, we are The Keiretsu. Have a nice day.
Andy Falck	Posted - 2005.01.17 20:50:00 - [11] Paganic, people do mistakes, and if your list is the right one, so be it. However, we won¦t accept the way Keiretsu is running the show atm. This is not the way you make new friends, which you could have done, just sticking to the old emperor fashionable style. This doesn¦t give Great Wildlands any push in the right direction, with some new open trade routes, friendly corporations exploring (not pirates or strip miners) allowed, or giving the locals already established a chance to stay up here without being forced to join Keiretsu. Regards Andy
Vacaburra	Posted - 2005.01.17 20:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Andy Falck What Keiretsu is doing atm, is to bleed people out, only talking, not giving options for those corporations who already did establish themselves in Great Wildlands before CA fall. Andy Falck, CEO [KTW] Knights of the Wild Does "establish" now means stay docked durin 3/4 of the day ? lol
Andy Falck	Posted - 2005.01.17 21:07:00 - [13] I was hoping for this thread to be free of flaming, but it seems like impossible. No, establish mean more than that, but then you haven¦t been around to see what we have done during many months up in Great Wildlands. When your guys are camping with 10 - 20 ppl in local, also from time to time putting up mobile warp disruptor outside station, i guess you would also have stayed docked if you were on our side. Andy Falck, CEO [KTW] Knights of the Wild
Vacaburra	Posted - 2005.01.17 21:26:00 - [14] true andy, but i wouldnt say i was established. any1 can do that in regions with npc stations. Imho, youre getting what your smacktalk (from the CA days) deserves. ps: and i think im not really flaming or trolling, just making crititcs to you, yes, but no flames
Andy Falck	Posted - 2005.01.17 21:52:00 - [15] I don¦t remember we did much smack talk, nor then not now. We try to avoid that as much as possible. Imho, my members are doing good on that front, and we are known to be a respectable and honorable bunch of guys, even among our enemies. Regards Andy
shooting dutchman	Posted - 2005.01.17 22:04:00 - [16] Well we all now how it feels being camped. I'm glad there are more corps that support the cause for GW. And I like most keiretsu guys, but the way we get treated by keiretsu I don't like.
Hellspawn666	Posted - 2005.01.17 22:13:00 - [17] Not intended to flaime but i remember wen CFS were asking for help from anywhere they could get it... that didnt go so well. But tbh i dont feel that if organ grinders were running the show things would be any different.. Stop trying to make it appear like ure fighting for freedom and just say the truth pvp is fun hence y were playing around with these guys?
gilbert brecon	Posted - 2005.01.17 22:14:00 - [18] Kiretsu sound great - im new here but isnt the whole point of eve these inter corp alliance fights? maybe im wrong but that's what appealed to me
Pehova Mindtriq	Posted - 2005.01.17 22:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Vacaburra true andy, but i wouldnt say i was established. any1 can do that in regions with npc stations. Imho, youre getting what your smacktalk (from the CA days) deserves. ps: and i think im not really flaming or trolling, just making crititcs to you, yes, but no flames When I was in INFOD and the corp was part of CA we declared war on Organ grinders and not once during that war did they smacktalk. Are you sure its the right corp you are talking about?
Oohwha Schipperman	Posted - 2005.01.17 22:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Methesda Currently these corps are believed to be working as the Keiritsu: this information is the best we can obtain atm, and is being updated as often as possible ... Friendly advice from a guy who's been in that line of work: fire your intel officer. Or you're well and truly screwed.
Reverend Necrona	Posted - 2005.01.17 22:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Drilla All the old CA corps from the Great Wildlands have formed our own alliance with a whole other perspective on life in EVE and a new set of goals for the corps involved. The corps who lived in the area 'under the radar' during the CA was offered to join but to leave the GW for one week to allow peaceful talks to commence. These corps have been KOS to us for some time and we were willing to wipe the slate clean. They made it quite clear they just wanted access to the 'fruits' of the GW and didn't not want to even dicuss the single thing we asked them. If you decide to help out these rebels trying to harvest the ressources great wildlands and have no interrest in teamplay. Some fine corps there Drilla. Good luck KTW. Reverend Necrona
TekRa	Posted - 2005.01.17 23:27:00 - [22] What I don't understand is that you want a free Great Wildland, you oppose us (The Keiretsu) and what we stand for, yet at the same time you go right ahead and join the Foundation, which as far as I can tell is just another alliance, like The Keiretsu. They want the Great Wildlands for themselves and they too will try to defend the area from hostile forces. How did joining an invading alliance help your cause? From the looks of this post and the state of GW this evening nothing has changed, except the number of players from newbie corps docked in E02. Do you think The Foundation will allow non-Foundation corps to roam freely around the GW and surrounding regions, no hostiles will enter the area once they 'own' it? Will you then be safe to mine, NPC hunt and generally lark around in space with no danger of attack because a different alliance is in charge? We of The Keiretsu want a stable region, but we are realistic in our aims. We plan to defend the area, and you have seen our resolve. > With the lights out it's less dangerous.
Redginald	Posted - 2005.01.17 23:36:00 - [23] Paganic, you forgot to list Red Fraction as a Corp he listed 2x.... Anyhow Andy you said this in your first post: "It is with sadness i witness Keiretsu Alliance way of dealing with peaceful corporations in Great Wildlands. About 8 - 10 peaceful corporations have established themselves in Great Wildlands before the fall of CA. Now, those corporations were told to leave Great Wildlands by Keiretsu immediately, before even some kind of negotiations were to be hold about our rights to exist in Great Wildlands." When all of us were in CA you were then also told to leave and that it was CA space, so don't go on and try to make it look like The Keiretsu are the bad ones here. We've had some fights and I have ship and pod kills of you and your mates while we were CA. When The Keiretsu was formed most of "The Foundation" members were asked to join this new alliance for a new beginning. We know all of you were trying to take up residence in GW thus the invitation to join but it was rejected by all with hostile acts, not verbal. While dicussions were being made we were attacked by VIRII, Alcatraz, and others without provocation and without warning. We had no choice but to defend ourselves. Another thing I must say. When we (The Keiretsu) were still in CA The Knights of the Wild kept to themselves, never gatecamping or ganking us, but again, you were in another alliances space. Now that you have formed a new "alliance" this is ok? Don't you guys realize you are just like the people you hate? You are attacking someone because they are in space you claim to want to open? How does that work?
slip66	Posted - 2005.01.17 23:59:00 - [24] good god, you boys and girls have been busy in the last 24rs. Giving votf and gang vrs jqa a run for the money on biggest kill splat of the month.
Zigadenus	Posted - 2005.01.18 00:22:00 - [25] Splat - lol that's classic. You know you want some, slip. Yes, the irony in this situation is so thick in so many ways it could shelter me through an antartic winter.
wappy	Posted - 2005.01.18 00:41:00 - [26] If you guys are so keen on being open and peacefull why dont we see your members trying to negotiate with The keiretsu? instead The Keiretsu members started by acting mostly in self defence always asking politly. only reaction comms cut of and shooting starting now for the best part of the week the b-vip corridor up to e02 is 1 big battle field where the foundation and The Keiretsu keep on figthing a war based mostly on prejudice. Mostly due to lack of trying to negotiate if this has to be the way the so be it. But try and see the alternatives. Wappy
CmdoColin	Posted - 2005.01.18 00:46:00 - [27] First off I am not an offical Black Omega Security spokesman. Officially I can confirm that we are not members of the Keiretsu. We presently claim no territory. We are a PvP based corp and as such are fighting. None of that combat is taking place in GW. We may occasionly pass - but we still have various bases deep in side the what was once CA territory. Very unoffically I like guys on both sides. From Keiretsu I have an absolutely huge amount of time for M. Corp. I have frequently faught alongside those guys side - and I like alot of their members. Same goes for some of the other corps in Keiretsu, just got more good times with M.Corp. Again very unofficially as an individual pilot there are Foundation members I have time for as well. Alcatraz Inc. I fought alongside your pilots pre you leaving curse, and I for one was sorry to see you go. Again - thats my personal view. I know during that time Organ grinders were supposed to be CA's enemy but I never personally engaged them in combat. On the occasions I have met them I have always been impressed with their members. During Ginger Magicians poor attempt at his supposed "reign of ~~terror~~ mild irritation" just north of the GW - I did speak to one of their pilots about actually shutting him up for good. This was actually done by M.Corp who claimed the bounty he had put on his own head to look like a proper pirate. May I also ask after the British Space Corperation? Are they just accessing old-CA space to recover items from bases? Or are they involved in the Foundation/Keiretsu conflict. Be very interesting to know who's in Foundation as well. Hopefully you guys are just fighting for fun. In my own personal view you guys could do alot worse than actually joining up. Or are you doing the Darwin thing to weed out the weak first? PS what ever you do guys - please Keiretsu - I struggle spelling that. Any chance of changing it? I sounded a right moron in my corp chat last night talking about you guys and then Ushra'Khan turned up. Sod saying the names - I can't ruddy type them. Audita et altera pars
slip66	Posted - 2005.01.18 01:05:00 - [28] how about compromising some, open up the bvip corridor for npcing and free lancing mining. Bvip to sl-y. The GW areas are held and defended. Its hard to have a open borders because then you end up with CFS, where only a small amount of the people using it defend it. Then the groups residing in GW proper all comit to defending it. Ill shut up if you want me too. It just seems like you guys can make some compromises and move on instead of killing each other all the time.
Redginald	Posted - 2005.01.18 01:26:00 - [29] Originally by: slip66 good god, you boys and girls have been busy in the last 24rs. Giving votf and gang vrs jqa a run for the money on biggest kill splat of the month. yeah, there are over 200 ship kills and 150 pod kills in the last 24 hours, most of it is in the last hour because some (I am making a pretty educated guess here) of the "Foundation" members cannot take us on and have resorted to being like pesky flies. There were about 7-10 alt characters in E02 today just littering the place with corpses. They all moved their clone contracts to the station in E02 and since they cannot fight with their main characters (we ran them out of GW) they decided to pester us. Very poor and childish tactics imo. They just kept coming and coming, if we didn't kill them they would gang up all their reapers on one of our frigs, we'd kill their ships and leave them in pods and they would self-destruct to go back and get another ship. Very lame and I have lost all the respect for Foundation members for this immature act.
DUFFMANX	Posted - 2005.01.18 01:33:00 - [30] Hmm seems ive missed alot in a short time ive been at work but i will clear up a few misunderstandings- Firstly as to waht Methesda wrote as "POSSIBLE" Keiretsu alliance members this is a list he believed was accurate as he has been outta action for the past few months dues to irl stuff to attend to. Secondly to Pehova anything that may or may not have been said between said war of INFOD and TOGCO stays there as we r talking bout our corps practices. We maybe allies but the past is the past so plz leave it be that way. Thirdly to Drilla, what u 'offered' us at start was a meeting in e02 to discuss the option where every1 would go from the breakup of CA. A big problem u had was something u attribute to an insult form VIRII and the issue of freespace and then started shooting ppl in local. Then u also said that u would discuss ur position to us (KTW) as a corp in GW as we have been long time residents. Then cause of u declaring any1 in your 'alliance' space KOS u ordered the attacking of residents and we helped a friend in need who was under attack and u also declared us KOS. As to the point of ur alliance space ye r not an official alliance and as i foresee it cannot 'declare' GW ur space but thats argumentative.Our position as Andy stated was we stand with friends to have our home, and we were truely interested in co-operation but that cannot be. As for the fights they have been fun and void of smack in the most part in and indeed enjoyable and hope they stay that way but we will not give up so easily as u thought u could get rid of us from GW. We wndured CA occupation and we will endure urs . (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.

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