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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.01.17 22:12:00 -
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considering that they cost about the same (plus insurance payout difference).. is there any advantage to using HAC instead of BS?
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Abomination
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Posted - 2005.01.17 22:19:00 -
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you look cool
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2005.01.17 22:21:00 -
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HACs are faster and more fun to fly. They can be harder to kill, too...
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2005.01.17 22:25:00 -
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Well there's always the chance of misidentification...
"Say, is that a Thorax, or a Diem...."
BOOM!
"I guess it wasn't a Thorax."
Then there's the resistances on the Sacrilage. I think the lowest resist with the right skills and gear is something like 85%.
Dunno about the other ones, tbh.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Tarm
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Posted - 2005.01.17 22:26:00 -
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Sacrilege fully tanked is a beast. I can tank pretty much any battleship that isn't fit with all damage mods for as long as it takes to kill him or call for battleship offensive power. About 3 weeks ago it took 4 battleships and assorted cruisers/frigates just over a minute to destroy my tank with concentrated fire. The only reason I didn't last longer is that they finally got within nosferatu range.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.01.17 22:31:00 -
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as far as I know, most bs use at least 1 heavy nos, which would be rather damaging to mere cruiser
sacrilige doesn't get that much damage out, and with just 1 heavy nos it's tank won't last much
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Ortu Konsinni
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Posted - 2005.01.17 22:33:00 -
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I figure you could easily stay outside of heavy nosf range and still deal damage to a BS with a Sacrilege.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.01.17 23:03:00 -
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HAC's can kill anything, and they got superior mobility.
What more can you want? ;)
The Sac vs Zealot issue is all about defence or offense. I prefer the latter.
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Urfin
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Posted - 2005.01.18 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Urfin on 18/01/2005 00:11:57
Well, HACs are flimsy (except sacri), and vulnerable to heavy nos, but... they're SEXY. And, say, a zealot is actually a great asset to a fleet as it can gank frigs/inties/AF/cruisers/BC at any range from ~15-50 km effortlessly, and do more damage to a BS than most BS while not getting hit. Same thing for eagle really, only longer range/less damage. As far as fire support goes, only gankageddons are better at BS killing, and worse at killing everything else.
Deimos, well, it's a ship with a built-in adrenaline generator, even if it's not THAT useful in fleets (still better than a blasterthron, at least imo).
Ishtar - smartass tactician's wet dream.
Sacri - megatank if you need it.
They're all good and, most importantly, FUN. Yes, most BS setups with competent pilots should be able to kill one without much problem, and they're EW fodder, but that's good, that's balance.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2005.01.18 00:39:00 -
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to be a mthafking P I M P!
beeach!
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.01.18 01:08:00 -
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If you ask me, and i take a Deimos as HAC example, only a Raven can take out the HAC. They have very high resistances, and with good skills and tech II guns they do loads of damage too.
Though i think Battleships are for the less experienced players, and HAC are 'the battleship' for the experienced players.
HAC > BS period.
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.01.18 01:18:00 -
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If you plan on warp scrambling, use a battleship. If you have a tackler then by all means go for a medium - long range HAC.
In my experience, HAC's are just too easy to take out if you have 2 heavy nos on (maybe even one). They will barely last 30 seconds after you fire up the nosses.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
 Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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Bexxly
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Posted - 2005.01.18 01:50:00 -
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My other character flys the Sacrilege and it has insane tanking abilities, it's a fabulous asset to have. Makes you feel all big 'n' tough 'n' stuff 
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Kin Oreyn
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Posted - 2005.01.18 02:26:00 -
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heavy nos = HAC death
gank bs + jammer = HAC death
and obviously gank fleet = HAC death
any other circumstance where a pilot loses one he only has himself to blame
If you are broke (<200Mil) I'd say go for a bs, if you like you're toys and can afford to lose em then HAC's are a good choice
basically all it comes down to is insurance payout versus initial cost IMO
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.01.18 04:09:00 -
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Not quite Kin. Sacrilege can counter a battleship with two nosfers and indefinitely run two tech 2 reps without breaking a sweat.
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Aliksr
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Posted - 2005.01.18 04:32:00 -
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cerberus doesnt need cap to live
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Zanthiuse
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Posted - 2005.01.18 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aliksr
cerberus doesnt need cap to live
unless you are being attacked.
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Elrathias
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Posted - 2005.01.18 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Aliksr
cerberus doesnt need cap to live
not much it can kill anyway tbh.
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VossKarr
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Posted - 2005.01.18 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Elrathias
Originally by: Aliksr
cerberus doesnt need cap to live
not much it can kill anyway tbh.
Agree. Kinda weak in its damage potential. Maybe T2 missiles and launchers will change that but, for now, there are other more damaging HAC out there.
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Renox
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Posted - 2005.01.18 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kin Oreyn
...If you are broke (<200Mil) ...
 rich bastard
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starfox2004
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Posted - 2005.01.18 08:45:00 -
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No offence !
I know a guy who took out 1 mega, 2 apocs and 4 cruisers ALL AT ONCE in an eagle and that alone to me has got me training for one !
id also like to add that a BS is as common as a shuttle these days, HACS arent
and if you wanna be a player gotta have pimped out ride !
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hatchette
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Posted - 2005.01.18 08:59:00 -
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Quote:
I know a guy who took out 1 mega, 2 apocs and 4 cruisers ALL AT ONCE in an eagle and that alone to me has got me training for one !
lol
Come on, get real before someone starts to beleive in this BS.
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starfox2004
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Posted - 2005.01.18 09:12:00 -
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DO YOU HAVE BS AND FRIEND AND BS'S ? I CAN ARRANGE THIS IM SURE 
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Siddy
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Posted - 2005.01.18 09:30:00 -
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HAC is low prfile Hard Shell target
in Fleet often left as secondary target position cause most fleets aer too busi to eliminate EW and damage dealing targets from enemy fleets
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slacker
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Posted - 2005.01.18 10:12:00 -
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I've seen HACs used effectively in fleets - as the BS don't usually target them - they get targetted by support and can tank it.
The Muninn seems to work okay with T2 720s (I get avg. 300+ hits with 5 of them and a ROF around 5 I think) with no tanking.
But I've started flying a Tempest again this week and if you pack it out with T2 damage, tracking and sensors - it's not a bad ship for fleet fights.
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Nighthawk
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Posted - 2005.01.18 10:18:00 -
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slightly off topic, but would people say the eagle is better than the cerberus??
im planning on getting a caldari HAC but not too sure which one i should get....
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Siddy
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Posted - 2005.01.18 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nighthawk
slightly off topic, but would people say the eagle is better than the cerberus??
im planning on getting a caldari HAC but not too sure which one i should get....
eagle do insta damage with fairly efektive weponsystems (rails)
compared to the clumblsy Heavymissiles that needs a webbber against fastest targets and dont deel instantenius damage, yes, i whuld choose eagle
there is cheeper ships that outpreform cerberus, like Ferox
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.01.18 12:52:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 18/01/2005 13:49:16
Bonus is some folks in their BS see the little Icon on overview and think 'Woo Hoo, this guys insane attacking me in his cruiser' and then when they are warping away flaming in structure or dead (unless ebil Raven) they feel a little dumb !!
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.01.18 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: starfox2004
DO YOU HAVE BS AND FRIEND AND BS'S ? I CAN ARRANGE THIS IM SURE
I do and would LOVE to see this, eve mail me for demonstration and if you would be so kind as to tell 'your friend' to eject just before dying it would really help everyone out
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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starfox2004
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Posted - 2005.01.18 14:29:00 -
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ok my friend np !
want to stop on structure so you have no losses ?
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