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Gei'neille
Gallente Paragon Capital Group Paragon Group CGLM
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Posted - 2010.12.24 20:14:00 -
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Paragon Capital is the finance arm of the Paragon Group Alliance. It has offered, primarily to alliance members a managed trading fund and is now prepared to offer members outside our alliance the ability to invest.
Please visit Paragon Capital Manage Trading Fund IPO for more information.
I can also be reached in game or private message in our forums. When signing up for the forums you may put PCMTF in the corporation tab. |
Corcyrus Endymion
Caldari Excessum Corporation Excessum Gaming
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Posted - 2010.12.24 23:18:00 -
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1) Why not show your cards on this forum? 2) Track record? 3) Audit? 4) Collateral? 5) How did that no-collateral lending business end up?
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Gei'neille
Gallente Paragon Capital Group Paragon Group CGLM
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Posted - 2010.12.24 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion 1) Why not show your cards on this forum? 2) Track record? 3) Audit? 4) Collateral? 5) How did that no-collateral lending business end up?
1) Cards? 2) As this is my first Eve-Online offering I suppose that the track record will come with dividends. 3) API keys can be provided to investors who request them. 4) Collateral. It's an IPO, not a bond or loan. It's a managed trading fund. Did Google put up collateral when it issued an IPO? 5) Different topic that has zero to do with this, but I'll answer anyway. I made a small profit that showed the risk wasn't worth the ISK. I invested in 4 and two returned the loans in full the other two defaulted.
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2010.12.25 00:01:00 -
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Considering the prosal you posted on your alliance forums is only 5 days old, and you've only been registered on those forums for a month, and you're now prepared to offer it to the public huh? Where's the track record? You have to prove to people why they should invest in you.
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Gei'neille
Gallente Paragon Capital Group Paragon Group CGLM
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Posted - 2010.12.25 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Spectre Wraith Considering the prosal you posted on your alliance forums is only 5 days old, and you've only been registered on those forums for a month, and you're now prepared to offer it to the public huh? Where's the track record? You have to prove to people why they should invest in you.
Perhaps you are correct. But the proposal being 5 days old has sold 19% of the total offering. Trading is in progress and the dividend for the month of December will be posted. The forums, well I created them a month ago. So it would be difficult to be much older on them than that as I am the founding member. I think that 20% of the fund selling to our members in less than one week is pretty indicative of my success in trading. You can also refer to our Alliance balance sheets of which most of the liquid assets come from trading, contract hauling, and manufacturing. My character is trading heavy with Level 5 in Accounting, Broker Relations, Retail, and Wholesale. Level 4 in Contracting, Daytrading, Margin Trading, Marketing, Procurement, and Trade. Level 3 in Corporation Contracting and Visibility. It's level 2 in Tycoon. I am currently training up Marketing to level 5. Again you are welcome to refer to the IPO posting and all other information posted. You are also welcome to not invest at all. Beyond that, as I previously stated, it is difficult to show a track record as I have yet to offer stock previously. While I do hope this venture proves successful and we are able to bring profit to investors, there is of course risk in any investment. |
Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.12.25 01:18:00 -
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"Paragon Capital Group is backed by an industrial alliance". How much is that backing worth if the members of said industrial alliance can't bring up 10B? Or worse, don't trust you to manage 10B?
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Gei'neille
Gallente Paragon Capital Group Paragon Group CGLM
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Posted - 2010.12.25 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador "Paragon Capital Group is backed by an industrial alliance". How much is that backing worth if the members of said industrial alliance can't bring up 10B? Or worse, don't trust you to manage 10B?
Read above answer to that. It's not that our members haven't invested, it's that my plan was always to involve others outside of our alliance, to increase shareholder ideas. As we have sold quite a bit in a short time, I moved to open it up to others.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.12.25 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gei'neille
4) Collateral. It's an IPO, not a bond or loan. It's a managed trading fund. Did Google put up collateral when it issued an IPO?
If Google had taken the money and ran there would have been several people in jail. Will you let CCP turn over your RL details to authorities if you scam so you can be prosecuted?
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Gei'neille
Gallente Paragon Capital Group Paragon Group CGLM
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Posted - 2010.12.25 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Gei'neille
4) Collateral. It's an IPO, not a bond or loan. It's a managed trading fund. Did Google put up collateral when it issued an IPO?
If Google had taken the money and ran there would have been several people in jail. Will you let CCP turn over your RL details to authorities if you scam so you can be prosecuted?
Oh my. I suppose I opened myself up for that. Any relevant questions in regards to strategy for the fund or fund mechanics, I'd be happy to answer.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.12.25 08:39:00 -
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confirming that "idea investment" is a detailed & rock-solid business plan.
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Corcyrus Endymion
Caldari Excessum Corporation Excessum Gaming
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Posted - 2010.12.25 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Corcyrus Endymion on 25/12/2010 09:30:13 Edited by: Corcyrus Endymion on 25/12/2010 09:29:39 Edited by: Corcyrus Endymion on 25/12/2010 09:29:16
Originally by: Gei'neille
Originally by: Corcyrus Endymion 1) Why not show your cards on this forum? 2) Track record? 3) Audit? 4) Collateral? 5) How did that no-collateral lending business end up?
1) Cards? 2) As this is my first Eve-Online offering I suppose that the track record will come with dividends. 3) API keys can be provided to investors who request them. 4) Collateral. It's an IPO, not a bond or loan. It's a managed trading fund. Did Google put up collateral when it issued an IPO? 5) Different topic that has zero to do with this, but I'll answer anyway. I made a small profit that showed the risk wasn't worth the ISK. I invested in 4 and two returned the loans in full the other two defaulted.
Confirming that making passive aggressive and snarly remarks when asked questions, does indeed get you isk here.
1) It means getting all information out in the open here on the eve-o forums and not tugged away somewhere less visible. Since you can simply take your forums down and most if not all information would be lost. 2) It doesn't work that way. Normally you would state: I made so and so much doing x, now I want to more of x and need some of your isk. This would at least indicate that you are able to work a certain amount of isk. 3) Providing API keys to investors is a good idea for the clients, a really bad idea for you. If you just hand your API info over willy nilly there is bound to be at least one investor who will definitely try to take advantage of it. 4) This is EVE not real life. There is a small but distinct difference between the two. 5) It has everything to do with this thread, as it shows me that you lack business sense. I fail to see how investing in four and getting two defaults, all the while being told that your plan doesn't hold water, shows off how good of a business man you are.
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Gei'neille
Gallente Paragon Capital Group Paragon Group CGLM
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Posted - 2010.12.25 15:47:00 -
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Confirming that making passive aggressive and snarly remarks when asked questions, does indeed get you isk here.
1) It means getting all information out in the open here on the eve-o forums and not tugged away somewhere less visible. Since you can simply take your forums down and most if not all information would be lost. 2) It doesn't work that way. Normally you would state: I made so and so much doing x, now I want to more of x and need some of your isk. This would at least indicate that you are able to work a certain amount of isk. 3) Providing API keys to investors is a good idea for the clients, a really bad idea for you. If you just hand your API info over willy nilly there is bound to be at least one investor who will definitely try to take advantage of it. 4) This is EVE not real life. There is a small but distinct difference between the two. 5) It has everything to do with this thread, as it shows me that you lack business sense. I fail to see how investing in four and getting two defaults, all the while being told that your plan doesn't hold water, shows off how good of a business man you are.
1) I don't think I have anything tucked away. I'm here. I'm answering these questions. Beyond that, our comfortable area is at our forums. I'm always on there. And while I keep an eye on market discussions, reading the posts that most interest me, I'm not as active. 2) Yes. I have made a little isk trading. Just a little.I started out reading every post I could find in this forum and have built not just a corporation, but an alliance with billions in assets. I'm tried a little loan business, as you know, and walked away with 22M isk in profit, decided that that was that and focused again heavily on trading. Now I'm look for the extra challenge of managing not only my own isk, but other's. Why? I'm not sure, it's a challenge. 3) Of course. 4) And the difference is? Ah but it's a game and I could easily run away with isk. Well, that's a risk. If you don't take those, perhaps you won't enjoy a positive outcome. 5) That's where you are wrong. Good business sense is know when to lose graciously, but not being afraid to try ideas. It was a risk that I took, knowing full well that I could lose every single isk that I had ever made. I walked with very little to show for it in profit, but profit nonetheless. I then decided that the profit didn't outweigh the risk.
Again, you are welcome to invest or not. You are welcome to decide if the risk here, which is inherent, is worth any perceived reward if any. |
Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.12.25 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gei'neille
Originally by: Estel Arador "Paragon Capital Group is backed by an industrial alliance". How much is that backing worth if the members of said industrial alliance can't bring up 10B? Or worse, don't trust you to manage 10B?
Read above answer to that. It's not that our members haven't invested, it's that my plan was always to involve others outside of our alliance, to increase shareholder ideas. As we have sold quite a bit in a short time, I moved to open it up to others.
The "above answer" doesn't answer anything. It says the offer was always supposed to go public (not till Jan 1st though, but I'll leave that matter for now), it does not answer why 125 members of a carebear alliance only offer 2B in funds.
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Jay Wareth
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Posted - 2010.12.25 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gei'neille
4) And the difference is? Ah but it's a game and I could easily run away with isk. Well, that's a risk. If you don't take those, perhaps you won't enjoy a positive outcome.
On the other hand, investing in every joker that starts a thread in MD is a great way to not enjoy any income at all.
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ZeJesus
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Posted - 2010.12.25 18:30:00 -
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Obvious scam is obvious.
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Brendon Vantralin
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Posted - 2010.12.25 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jay Wareth
Originally by: Gei'neille
4) And the difference is? Ah but it's a game and I could easily run away with isk. Well, that's a risk. If you don't take those, perhaps you won't enjoy a positive outcome.
On the other hand, investing in every joker that starts a thread in MD is a great way to not enjoy any income at all.
Agreed, unless a business plan is well thought out and states how much is needed to create a certain profit and has some kind of solid idea... Well, it's a house with no walls. If anyone buys into this, please let me know, I have some ocean front property in Wyoming I would like to sell |
egola
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.12.25 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Gei'neille
Originally by: Estel Arador "Paragon Capital Group is backed by an industrial alliance". How much is that backing worth if the members of said industrial alliance can't bring up 10B? Or worse, don't trust you to manage 10B?
Read above answer to that. It's not that our members haven't invested, it's that my plan was always to involve others outside of our alliance, to increase shareholder ideas. As we have sold quite a bit in a short time, I moved to open it up to others.
The "above answer" doesn't answer anything. It says the offer was always supposed to go public (not till Jan 1st though, but I'll leave that matter for now), it does not answer why 125 members of a carebear alliance only offer 2B in funds.
ESTEL, if it means anything they're all probably poor....POOR miners,after all minerals ARE free.
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2010.12.26 03:33:00 -
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1. Announce IPO 2. ??? 3. Profit!
I love it!
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Gei'neille
Gallente Paragon Capital Group Paragon Group CGLM
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Posted - 2010.12.31 23:53:00 -
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Dividend posted for December:
Total Wallet Balance $6,225,350,156.75 Total Invested $5,212,619,594.98 Profit $1,012,730,561.77 Percent 19.4% Profit Per Share $115.34 Management Fees $101,273,056.18 Profit Post Fees $911,457,505.60 Percent Gain 17% Profit Per Share Post Fees $103.81
Dividend Per Share: 62.29 |
Corcyrus Endymion
Caldari Excessum Corporation Excessum Gaming
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Posted - 2011.01.01 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gei'neille Dividend posted for December:
Total Wallet Balance $6,225,350,156.75 Total Invested $5,212,619,594.98 Profit $1,012,730,561.77 Percent 19.4% Profit Per Share $115.34 Management Fees $101,273,056.18 Profit Post Fees $911,457,505.60 Percent Gain 17% Profit Per Share Post Fees $103.81
Dividend Per Share: 62.29
Dollars even. For an IPO that didn't get any funding in this specific thread. Well, well, well, well, well.
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PinkFish
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Posted - 2011.01.01 05:57:00 -
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Following my own conversation and investigation into Gei'neille I'd like to purchase 2872050 shares at current ask of 1044.55 per share.
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RustySpoork
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Posted - 2011.01.01 06:30:00 -
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Edited by: RustySpoork on 01/01/2011 06:33:24 I bought some shares and got my dividend today. It's a solid investment imo (i do nothing and make money). Seriously, though. I received my dividend today just as specified.
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Zane Oth
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Posted - 2011.01.01 06:33:00 -
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I recieved my dividend today.
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Crono Max
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Posted - 2011.01.01 06:34:00 -
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Yes i have got the dividend.
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Agwarin
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Posted - 2011.01.01 06:36:00 -
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Hey, lookey there. Got my dividend. Yay. I hope this continues to prosper.
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sir JohnIV
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Posted - 2011.01.01 06:49:00 -
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I as well received my dividend. You guys should actually try to talk to the guy before you spout off accusations, its unprofessional.
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Jack Norris
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2011.01.01 06:55:00 -
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Alt posting is so painfully obvious...
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.01.01 07:16:00 -
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I also got my dividend. OP, ignore this bunch of trolls - please increase my investment by 234295734967483975439578495 shares at a price of 23984273857834957389464957069780 isk per share
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Gei'neille
Gallente Paragon Capital Group Paragon Group CGLM
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Posted - 2011.01.01 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal I also got my dividend. OP, ignore this bunch of trolls - please increase my investment by 234295734967483975439578495 shares at a price of 23984273857834957389464957069780 isk per share
Maybe you should buy some plex I hear the market is tanking right now....
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Corcyrus Endymion
Caldari Excessum Corporation Excessum Gaming
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Posted - 2011.01.01 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gei'neille
Originally by: Liberty Eternal I also got my dividend. OP, ignore this bunch of trolls - please increase my investment by 234295734967483975439578495 shares at a price of 23984273857834957389464957069780 isk per share
Maybe you should buy some plex I hear the market is tanking right now....
It's a more solid investment than this alt invested option..
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