I don't think CCP is ready to pull the plug on off grid boosting, because the fact of the matter is ... There many accounts being plexed and paid for just so they can provide the boosts.

CCP is a business afterall and it isn't good for business to be making changes that will reduce their income. I for one don't really feel too strongly how this matter is resolved, but I will unsub my OGB toon if they remove off grid boosting. Thats $15 a month less income for CCP. I'm sure many other OGB alt owners feel the same. .

Dear CCP please make sure that everyone always brings equal numbers and ships when they come to fight me and also make sure that they never lie and also I would like it if nobody could pvp me unless I want them to thank you very much.

That's because you deliberately scared him away from the game. You should have described Eve's skills as like a series of cups. There's a relatively small base down at the bottom that is shared between them all, but any particular ship only has so much volume you can pour into it. Thus, the absolute SP "cap" is actually pretty low because I can only fly one ship at a time.

This means that it's fairly easy for a noob to fill up a few cups well enough to compete with me on a level playing field.

-Liang

Oh cool a killboard link, lets compare kill death ratios. Whats the most isk you ever killed in one go? What ratio would I need to join your corp? I love kiillboards they let me know exactly how much I'm worth.

That's because you have some weird obsession with everyone having their own booster alt. The simple fact of the matter is that a gang only needs one. I frequently fly without booster alts because I don't like the performance penalty during frapsing.

-Liang

Ed: Look man, I know you'd say and do literally anything to nerf off grid boosters. Better yet, you'd like to see everyone with any leadership skills trained wake up with 20k SP tomorrow morning. But let's try to keep the complete nonsense out of the thread. Just this once.

You're right, the idea I might have to spend 3 minutes of my 5 minute siege cycle shooting things instead of 2 keeps me awake at night.

Stop demanding Eve be balanced around your stupid, old fashioned idea of fair fights. And stop trying to play an MMO solo.

Actually its you guys that are demanding that boosting be changed because of your multiple misinformed arguments and exaggerations.

Confirming that most the arguments against OGBs are misinformed and bad.

Like nuren said, if you sit there pounding d-scan the entire time, what do you think will happen to your main that is fighting?

You trade attention to your other account to prevent your OGB from dying and instead your main gets tackled and you die, or you don't time a shield/armor boost correctly and suffer.

Yeah, and those people can stick to their simple minded blobs.

If OGBs are removed, small gangs will just get steamrolled by larger ganks who have claymores which are protected by 4 Logi ships. Good luck trying to kite anything or even escape, because they will have faster speeds and longer points.

If boosting for T3s are limited to a squad or even less pilots, then the small gang can atleast do something other than just die, they have a small edge over the claymores boosts.

Why is it that you feel this acute pressure to dual box when I don't - despite the fact that I have 2 perfectly skilled leadership alts for any given occasion? I'm not trying to say the system is great right now, but you present this as a doomsday case that it isn't really.

Like I said, we need to fix the core problems relating to gang boosting and then we can move them on grid.

-Liang

Yeah that sucks, but I'm not talking about solo or small gangs vs small gangs.

I'm talking about those of us that want to be able to fight outnumbered and still have a chance of winning. Without OGBs this becomes so hard that it isn't even worth doing.

How is this any different to someone officer fitting their frigate?.

Eve is not, has never been and will never be balanced around 1v1s. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you get into a fair fight in eve someone screwed up and that holds true at any size of engagement.

If a hookbill is killing you before you can even lock it, something's very wrong with the way you are PVPing. This kind of hyperbole is just ridiculous.

-Liang

Actually, I have fought the same people you have - and more. I just don't complain about it and make excuses like you do.

-Liang

And we're back to "I'm better at pvp than you so my opinions count for more".

If the pilot you're attempting to 1v1 has fleet bonuses then its not a 1v1, its 1v2. Its irrelevant whether that 2nd pilot is an alt or not. You're complaining you can't win a 2v1 when the game gives you plenty of options to make that a 2v2 or even a 3v1, whether you go make some friends or bring an alt, the choice is yours.

As for the officer mods, you could fight a frigate with officer mods and never know, much like you might never know if theres an offgrid booster. You're not entitled to know every factor involved in every fight, nor should you be. Is officer fitting your frigate also "cheating"?

At this point you're trying to argue that having more accounts (whether controlled by one person or not) in an MMO shouldn't give an advantage and thats going to be a tough sell. I've done plenty of small scale pvp in the (admittedly distant) past, even some solo stuff (ask me about taking out an entire BoB t2 frigate gang in an Oneiros some time) but if I'm flying solo and I lose to 2 people thats my fault for engaging outnumbered, not the fault of the 2 people for breaking the non-existant sanctity of the 1v1.

It doesn't matter if those 2 people are 1 guy and an alt or 2 seperate physical people, its still 2v1. All other things being equal 2 on grid ships piloted by different people should beat 1 on grid ship and 1 offgrid booster.

Bullshit or not, in the immediate future the game would be worse without off grid boosts. So let's see if we can come up with a list of problems that should be solved first. I guess I can't count on you for any sort of reasonableness on this subject though.

-Liang

Yes, it would be better for the blobbing combat you FW types like. But for people who like small gangs would be immediately worse.

-Liang

What will you do when you can't see a cloaking falcon or a cloaky RR ship?

You don't know if you are going to fight 1 or 2 people.

Then what?

Confirming that off-grid boosters can't move systems.

A few comments:
1)- You keep claiming I use off grid boosts. Sometimes this is true, sometimes it is false. I generally don't bother logging in my own links and the Heretic links are offline by the time I log in. I've even repeatedly stated why I dislike logging in my links: it tanks performance for Fraps.
2)- Confirming that BC points are a good way to measure PVP penises and that people don't abuse the BC point system with faction cruisers and carriers repping Merlins.
3)- Boosters have a smaller effect as the gang sizes go down. 2 on grid vs 1 on grid/1 off grid highly stacks things in favor of the 2 on grid.
4)- The FW blobs more than we ever did. Hell, you guys frequently bring in more logis than we have people online.

You keep complaining about how you can't engage frigates in your cruiser and you're the one telling me that I'm relying on a "crutch". Cute.

-Liang

So, I know it doesn't suit your biases, but they are not logged in when I am. Feel free to put a covops scout on our POS and check for yourself. But that won't matter because no matter what you'll make up an excuse for how I magically had bonuses and you didn't. And obviously that's why a frig is able to beat your cruiser.

-Liang

1. You admitted you use links, so we're even on that score.
2. BC points don't show how often you blob and anyone that tries to use them as a serious measure of epeen measurement is :lol: in my book.
3. Talking about boosters in terms of "1v1" is stupid. What you're really talking about is 2v1, so yes I expect the 2 to win (generally). But 2v1+1 is as small as this scale goes - and the advantage is decidedly towards the on grid people.
4. I'm just going by what you say. You don't care about any of the consequences I've brought up - just remove it NAO because "LIFE ISN'T FAIR, A FRIG CAN TAKE ON MY CRUISER QQ, QQ, QQ" :pout:

-Liang

Ed: And the funny thing is that you would assert that the frig has bonuses even if he doesn't. LOL.

But I thought that you guys were saying OGBs are"virtually riskfree".

So whats the problem?

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Ed: And the funny thing is that you would assert that the frig has bonuses even if he doesn't. LOL.

So effectively you're asking for the game to be balanced around your borderline autistic need to know every single variable involved in every fight you ever have....

I only have plans to use my OGB to fight outnumbered.

Using it in a 1v1 (2v1) like you talk about so much is like killing a noob in an ibis. No adrenaline, no fun.

The meta will keep changing. If OGBs are gone then the new meta will be to bring RR alts, or falcons... and if you don't do that then you will suck/lose/die Then we will see whines about that.