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Inquisitor Tyr
The Ostrogoths
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.14 07:59:00 -
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Dear CCP:
Scordite, Veldspar and Plagioclase are now more valuable to mine than Bistot. And Crockite is the 11th least valuable Ore.
What ever happened to the "Risk-Reward" scale I have heard referenced in so many Dev Blogs?
A void was created with the nerfing of drone minerals. Planning to fill it with something or does every ore in the game being roughly the same value constitute "balance" ?
If all ores being of equal value, and high sec ores being worth just as much as nullsec ores, is the vision for mining I suggest removing all the various ores and replacing it all with "RockOre". And instead of using different minerals, players can build all ships with 1 material - "RockOre". Real nice and simplestupid.
Ridiculous right? I suspect most Eve players aren't interested in something quite so dumbed down.
Unless you happen to be in a -1.0 truesec system that spawns arkonor naturally, you are just as well off mining in empire where you can AFK (something you canGÇÖt do in null). And no, the industry upgrades with hidden belts donGÇÖt make up for it. e.g. The level 1 upgrade contains mostly Spodumain, which is among the least valuable ores in the game (based on Jita prices at the time of this writing). So whatGÇÖs there to look forward to for the upgrade - cockite and bistot worth less than veldspar and a couple roids with arkonor and mercoxit.
In Sum - Nullsec mining is significantly more risk, cost, and effort then empire Mining, and it requires your complete attention on local, but the reward for the extra effort is no longer there. |
Inquisitor Tyr
The Ostrogoths
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.14 09:43:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Inquisitor Tyr wrote:Nullsec mining is significantly more risk, cost, and effort then empire Mining I LOL'd so hard.
U Mad bro?
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Inquisitor Tyr
The Ostrogoths
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:14:00 -
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Anhenka wrote:Dasola wrote:Well maybe 0.0 miners should stop mining just abc ores and stop flooding the market with those. And yes i do mine time to time in 0.0 myself, but mainly just to get some change for grinding npc sites.
In fact im suprised 0.0 miners havent switched to these more valuable ores, since those rocks in 0.0 should be pretty big by now.
Also i think 0.0 is safer then highsec. none will stay im belt mining when theres red or neutral in system.. Ever try and export 10 billion isk worth of trit from deep 0.0? Even if the nullsec ores are worth less than plain old veldspar per m3, they refine down to only a tiny fraction of the volume mineralwise compared to veld or pyrite. That hypothetical 10 bil isk worth of trit @ 5 isk/trit? 2 million m3. Have fun with either expensive JF convoys or pre module compressing it.
As I said, nullsec mining is more effort. When was the last time you heard an empire miner complaining about JFs and logistic POS for their routes from hedion university to amarr ? In fact I suspect most of you dont even know what a logistic POS is!
BTW - Did you read this part? "Scordite, Veldspar and Plagioclase are now more valuable to mine than Bistot. "
Stuff be broken. |
Inquisitor Tyr
The Ostrogoths
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.14 11:20:00 -
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Dasola wrote:Well maybe 0.0 miners should stop mining just abc ores and stop flooding the market with those. And yes i do mine time to time in 0.0 myself, but mainly just to get some change for grinding npc sites.
In fact im suprised 0.0 miners havent switched to these more valuable ores, since those rocks in 0.0 should be pretty big by now.
Also i think 0.0 is safer then highsec. none will stay im belt mining when theres red or neutral in system..
0.0 mining is safer than empire huh. What system you mining in m8? Link here plz. |
Inquisitor Tyr
The Ostrogoths
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:39:00 -
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The issue at hand is Risk vs. Reward - and this is a system that needs to be monitored and adjusted by CCP as outcomes to their system that they don't forsee arise.
It's interesting to see that there are still people who believe the current mineral prices are completely driven by player activities and completely ignore the changes to the game that drove those changes. The players are reacting to a change CCP made to other systems, and due to the complexity of eve an unfortunate outcome has arisen. Its players that place the buy/sell orders but its CCP that creates the system that drives the players.
My contacts in empire mining corps have slowly turned into incursion runners. The point here being that many empire miners have turned to other activities. Incursions were quite the Isk Faucet for a time and that drew even the most avid miner into incursion fleets - and even after they made incursions less valuable those same miners are still at it.
If CCP set out to make empire mining more valuable; that was a success. In fact nullsec mining hasn't become any less valuable than it was 1.5 years ago - In my stats sheet I can see a price for Megacyte in Jita from 1.5 years ago was 1902 Isk. A couple of days ago it was 1937 Isk. There are fluctuations but its overall steady for the former high end minerals.
Again, this is about risk vs. reward - CCP changed the system and created a "vanilla" mining universe where all things are equally valuable.
Here is a relative value chart of ores based on current prices. The value is relative to the lowest valued ore. The numbers come from a break down of the mineral componenents of each ore type and are updated based on mineral values. I use this tool to tell me what to mine on a given day.
Take note that mining High End Scordite is just as valuable as Standard Arkonor.
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261.3%Veldspar
301.8%Scordite
293.8%Pyroxeres
299.7%Plagioclase
187.9%Omber
286.7%Kernite
298.5%Jaspet
301.2%Hemorphite
315.0%Hedbergite
116.6%Gneiss
216.4%Dark Ochre
100.0%Spodumain
230.5%Crockite
248.5%Bistot
339.8%Arkonor
Here is the same chart with prices from Pre-Incursion / Drone Nerf / T1 Loot revamp. The skew is towards the nullsec ores maintining a reasonable risk-reward scale.
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106.7%Veldspar
106.3%Scordite
137.7%Pyroxeres
100.0%Plagioclase
100.1%Omber
126.3%Kernite
186.9%Jaspet
209.5%Hemorphite
214.0%Hedbergite
122.2%Gneiss
190.7%Dark Ochre
108.2%Spodumain
251.8%Crockite
292.3%Bistot
382.4%Arkonor
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Inquisitor Tyr
The Ostrogoths
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.03 22:56:00 -
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Cap James Tkirk wrote:then working as intended more risk in HS tehn null blue firewalls IMO i guess this can be closed now eh
IGÇÖm not saying your opinion is incorrect, itGÇÖs just less correct than mine :P
But I can understand why your perspective is so myopic - no doubt, living in that wormhole your corp calls home gives you a valid perspective on whatGÇÖs going on in null and empire :P
Empire is safer: Concord - End of discussion.
What you are arguing is that nullsec is safer because the players work together. That is a testament to the players who live there and work together. They are doing eve right - Perhaps the miners in empire should follow suit and create intel channels. |
Inquisitor Tyr
The Ostrogoths
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.03 23:12:00 -
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No one is throwing a tantrum - I am simply pointing out reasons why I find your perspective is incomplete and you are unable to counter it. Hence you are now attributing false traits to me in a desperate attempt to gain a foothold on the wall of overwhelming logic that you are now up against.
Quote:not myopic at all the market is a free player driven market now that tools that used to pump the market with mineral IE bots and drone goo are gone and HS miners can make a decent wage for how they want to play the game your throwing a tantrum because the overmined and over inflated market of High-end minerals has become a .01 isk game since null miners are trying to sell the wares they built up and do not want to be sitting on a stockpile of items that the value is descending........ since this is a open market and we the players are driving it why not take control instead of crying to CCP to fix what is not broken?
I find it hard to take a person who doesn't use a single period or comma in their entire paragraph seriously. Honestly, learn how to separate your thoughts and ideas because your post is just one long run-on sentence.
Anyways, you missed this:
Quote:It's interesting to see that there are still people who believe the current mineral prices are completely driven by player activities and completely ignore the changes to the game that drove those changes. The players are reacting to a change CCP made to other systems, and due to the complexity of eve an unfortunate outcome has arisen. Its players that place the buy/sell orders but its CCP that creates the system that drives the players.
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Inquisitor Tyr
The Ostrogoths
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.03 23:30:00 -
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Cap James Tkirk wrote:and i give a fuq about proper grammar in a gaming world because?
and you point nothin out but an attempt to say my POV is myopic but where is the proofs so by you adding attributes to myself i only felt it fair to add tehm back no?
You should "give a fuq" because you are here trying to convince people of your perspective. What you say and how you say it tells people things about you, such as your level of education, if you are intelligent and if you are thinking rationally. In other words, if people should listen to you and take you seriously.
You may change peoples minds if you are engaged in a meaningful discussion with a clear head rather than simply reacting to comments on an emotional level.
And don't try pretend you suddenly dont "give a fuq" when your actions, namely making multiple posts in this thread, show that you clearly do "give a fuq".
But at least you are trying(sort of), I'll give you that. |
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