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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.01 17:07:00 -
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I want to wish a happy new year and a deep thank you to all my favorite bot trader
1st place: ORANGEFLOUNDER in 2010 at least 10 billion ISK of earnings for me.
he is the only one who is still fighting against me to find a script which is more intelligent than a real person who is using strategies against ALL methods of scripts.
just a tip: forget it: you will never win this game.
2nd place: ORACLEOFJITA the short run winning game. mostly 100mio in a couple of hours every turn.
I hope you will be in the game also in year 2011. also a couple of billion ISK earned with your "cleverness" of using scripts.
3rd place: INFINARY, SEVENCOIL and TOBIANA
the standard macro trader. easy to earn per turn between 50 to 100mio ISK.
in my eyes a single real person.
ALL other places: some additional noob bot trader
no real win but always hit there pocket.
PS: my win is always the loss of the bot trader.
PS1: unfortunately CCP has no real way to find them. it take me 1 hour to find a bot trader. just for your information.
PS2: unfortunately all or nearly 100% of the real trader in jita doesen't know how to find and fight against bot trader.
PS3: don't ask me how it is working. that is may secret. be clecer find them and make money with them.
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.01 17:41:00 -
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one example from today
ORANGEFLOUNDER
in my transaction log
BUY:
25 x 3.259.999,99 25 x 3.349.999,99 24 x 3.329.999.99
SELL:
22 x 3.600.000,01 25 x 3.540.000,01 23 x 3.500.000.01
currently no high range. but this is also working with 500K, 1000K and more difference between BUY and SELL.
every day, again and again.
a real trader will never go again into this market after the 3rd or 4th attempt.
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.01 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: adriaans orangeflounder person has me a rather nice sum of isk too...
Still, i'm sure i could've made more if there were only real people trading
of course. and much less time you need for trading.
but as long as these bots are coming up again into the market you have to live with them and to make profit on the special way.
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.01 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: OrangeFlounder Edited by: OrangeFlounder on 01/01/2011 20:50:40 I'm sorry for your failpost at fingering me for a bot, but I'm glad you think so highly of me. I put a lot of time into coming across this way to frustrate you.
I don't have time to track how much I pay for each item. I keep my 300 orders in use and sometimes take a loss. On any given item I trade I make a net profit, so I guess it just slipped through the cracks.
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I like how you're so sure I'm a bot for a year but tonight is the first time you've ever bothered to send me a chat invite.
I know exactly how you are working.
I only say: to change your 300 orders frequently you don't do it 100% manually. not more not less.
I keep an eye on you. just to make sure I can talk to you whenever you are changing your order
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.03 10:31:00 -
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@all
OrangeFlounder = Riseone has started to fight against me as a real person.
everybody who is interested take a look on 'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher.
let's see what will happen the next couple of weeks/months
overal situation: advantage Riseone
strategy: advantage leocaldari
break even without costs (this is approxemately 300K/ item)
riseone = 14.000K leocaldari = 13500K
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.03 10:33:00 -
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I forgot that he has now nearly 80 additional items for 14500K
so overal break even should be 14200/14300
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.03 13:50:00 -
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BTW
I forgot the MOST STUPIEST BOT TRADER in this game I have ever seen
his name was BOTARNT
look on history in 'Arbalest' Standard Missile Launcher.
I got his complete money in 5 days. it was nearly 3 billion ISK.
so far my persoanl record to kill a bot trader.
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vested Interest I heard someone was trading arbalests at a loss up in this thread. The nerve of some people!
I mean, $hit. I have been trading for 3 years, logged nearly every transaction, and pulled hundreds of billions out of the market and I still couldn't name from memory a single trader I've "gone up against". Market PVP is an MD urban legend. You never know what the other guy's cost basis is. He might have bought the bulk of his stock years ago, on region orders, in nullsec, for all you know.
Shut up and trade.
hahaha.
I know everybody who want to trade the item and I know his entry and exit level.
I'm talking about Jita-Trader.
I'm doing PVP trading all the day and several years now.
but you are right that you think it is a legend. so far I never found a real counterpart who is doing the same. but this does not mean it is not existing.
what I'm doing is not written anywhere in the web. so you can't read anything about it. you have to learn it by yourself.
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:18:00 -
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'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher
inactive items in this market: > 1000
it is evident for success to know how much items are somewhere sitting and waiting to come into the active market
at least 1000 inactive items in this market is pretty high. I would say it is above the critical border to get a good return of investment
heavy Jita Trader: nearly 5 on this side only 1 trader is willing to take more items from market. OranegFlounder is also still collecting items. but it is more an emotional than a logical reason.
personal: I take what I need to have control and to be 100% in profit range
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:21:00 -
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TWO of the most important rules for trading
1) time is money 2) profit + loss = ZERO
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: aruchra there's much more wise finding goods to trade than finding bot traders agree ?
this is not my goal
but I have to fight them down if they are in the same item I want to trade
and to kill a bot trader is always a win(me) - loss(bot) situation
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: leocaldari TWO of the most important rules for trading
1) time is money 2) profit + loss = ZERO
If by 2) you mean that trading is a zero sum game then that is, frankly, *******s as you point 1) makes clear (well, sort of clear).
this is always the summary of the complete market actions
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 20:06:00 -
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look for
Market Brosef
BUY 7 day order and sell 14 day order
he is jumping immediately after 5 minute delay on first position
not a big count of items but if the range is high short profit within 30 minutes he is new in this bot market system
this could be the acc: look in Medium F-S9 currently 3 orders with 7 days. he just jumped into the market
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rasz Lin nah, look at arbalest standards and todas sudden price spike, dust off your stock and dump it on leos buy orders
try it my break even is under the market
I took my profit
what is now coming is just fun and still doing my PvP trading
PS: I just gave you some items. have fun
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.04 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rasz Lin
Originally by: leocaldari
Originally by: Rasz Lin nah, look at arbalest standards and todas sudden price spike, dust off your stock and dump it on leos buy orders
try it my break even is under the market
make more 3.2mil buy orders then :)) I decided to keep the rest just to try and keep the price <3.5mil for as long as i can :)
Originally by: leocaldari
what is now coming is just fun and still doing my PvP trading
PS: I just gave you some items. have fun
I got dissapointed when you stopped :(
you have absolut no clue what I'm doing and why. do what you think is the best for you.
I'm always doing things where the profit comes into my pocket. not more not less
I gave you nearly 100 Solace for a good price you got it becuase I read your name so play and make money
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.06 07:30:00 -
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GAME OVER OrangeFlounder/Riseone
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Confuzer Aah, leocaldari is also in my list, but not even in the top 30 ;)
(and these orders are from 2008-01-28 to 2009-03-20)
that is natural.
items I trade have NO other real heavy trader at the same time.
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ludacrys
Originally by: leocaldari GAME OVER OrangeFlounder/Riseone
oh common! dont leave us in the dark, tell us what happened, this is exciting
I will give you updates but not know
in phase 1: not a complete desaster for him. he sold the last 70 items to somebody who want to have the items
now in phase 2: comments when we we are going into phase 3
GAME OVER does not mean the fight has ended.
just mean with it: OrangeageFlounder cannot made any profit with his 300 items anymore.
my goal is stil to get a profit from him which is > 500mio
my pofit = his lost
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Confuzer But that is one item right?
I can say he is in every T2 item I trade. So one item should mean nothing to him...
Im not wondering.
I don't knwow any other reason why he can give me 1 to 2 bill ISK every month
funny: my(OrangeFlounder) trading style is fundamental different. that is more than 100% correct
btw: the liason between Orange and me started with a gift of 1.2 billion ISK from him to me as he bought off the complete BZ-5 market
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:32:00 -
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some thoughts about "managing your orders"
max order count: 305 -> you can manage 150 items with ONE BUY and ONE SELL order
so you have to check 300 orders
seconds you need to check/modify ONE order:
01: 300s -> 5m 02: 600s -> 10m 05: 1500s -> 25m 10: 3000s -> 50m 20: 6000s -> 100m -> 1h 40m 30: 9000s -> 150m -> 2h 30m 60: 18000s -> 300m -> 5h
how often can you check/modify all 300 orders in 24h if you are sitting in front of the screen, managing several accounts and traveling cross empire to check all hubs?
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.07 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: OrangeFlounder
So far I sold half of my items for a reasonable profit, but Leo has been pretty effective at driving down the price. His method seems to be to undercut with one or two small orders pretty substantially and then back them off after a while if they don't get followed. I do give him credit for being possibly the best at controlling items in Jita that I've had to deal with.
Honestly before this thread I was curious if he was a bot because of the similarity in the way and frequency he trades to the bots AnakieNine mentioned.
But I digress, Right now I can't continue bulk selling my remaining 130 or so Arby Heavies. After buying into the market and moving things up to 15m for a while I knew I had to choose between starving leo for buy orders to keep price up or watch him squeeze margins to nothing. I made the wrong choice and bought 80 units at 14.0-14.5. I bought a lot more then that in the mid 13s though, so the market has a way to go before I take a loss. Following Leos push I decided to just sell and got pretty lucky selling to SpacePope, who sold me the bulk of my inventory for almost 1m less p/u .
So now its time to move on to a different strategy on what to do with my inventory. I have a few methods available, but I'd welcome any (legitimate, viable) suggestions.
your points are so far correct.
1) since this thread you changed dramatically your activities in all items where I'm invested 2) I thought too you are thinking I'm a bot. 3) your luck to have this stupid trader in teh market. so you don't have a real loss 4) you are still invested in Arbalest Heavy 5) let's play the game and see what will happen.
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.07 13:23:00 -
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I found an item with a potential bot(Infinary)
I let you know when the job is done
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leocaldari
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Posted - 2011.01.07 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 I can't decide if this is an epeen thread or a thread where people who use bots try to convince CCP they don't use bots by talking about other people that use bots? Interesting read at least.
I can only speak for myself: I NEVER USED any kind of sript or soemthing else. it is 100% manual trading
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