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Radius Prime
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:10:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:I'm very new...less than 2 months. I fly Gallente and like it so far (although I will be cross training lots) and before I embark on a 2 month long journey of drone skills I'd like the advice of some vets who have their drone skills maxed out. It seems to me that it could be a very versatile and deadly weapon platform if one really fits for it but then again what the hell do I know. So, what do the drone specialists think, in terms of both pve & pvp?
More important things to train at 2 months I would think. Would max out drones (the lvl 1 skill) so you can use 5 and get some drone support skills to like 3 but please don't waste months on them at this point. You have tons of different skills to train that will add more benefit and get you into bigger ships.
Very strong pve but just a nice bonus pvp.
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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:26:00 -
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I personally love drones in PvP. It creates distraction, slows your opponent down, forces them to lock onto and fire at something other than you and your team mates or deal with the consequences of whatever the drone does.
It is true however that drones can sometimes act unpredictably and in a PvP fight you don't really have time to be dicking around with trying to get them to act right.
Also worth mentioning that they are really good in some specific situations in particular. For example when you get tackled, sending out some ECM drones on the tackler might shake them, or combat drones to trim the fat of that frigate. Sending out webber drones to slow down big ships while you get into your optimal range (and out of his).
Really all sorts of great ways to use drones, but they do complicate things in terms of PvP. Its one more thing to control in a tense fight.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1054
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:20:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I stand by my original comment.
To suggest otherwise is just bing contrary for the sake of it.
Your original comment holds zero value without any justifications.
And no. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9095
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:46:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I stand by my original comment.
To suggest otherwise is just bing contrary for the sake of it. No. To suggest otherwise confirms what you see every day: drones are hugely important in PvP. Just because they see different uses than you might see in missions and the like does not mean that they're not good for PvP.
GǪoh, and dive-bombing an Ishtar onto that annoying Falcon alt sure makes them bug out in a real hurry. That poor ship doesn't respond well to bonused mediums (or even heavies) for some reason.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
415
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I stand by my original comment.
To suggest otherwise is just bing contrary for the sake of it. No. To suggest otherwise confirms what you see every day: drones are hugely important in PvP. Just because they see different uses than you might see in missions and the like does not mean that they're not good for PvP. GǪoh, and dive-bombing an Ishtar onto that annoying Falcon alt sure makes them bug out in a real hurry. That poor ship doesn't respond well to bonused mediums (or even heavies) for some reason.
Dear Tippia, please be kind enough to ignore any post I may make. You want fries with that? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9095
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:51:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Tippia, please be kind enough to ignore any post I may make. 500M ISK.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Zera Kerrigan
Dark Tempest Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:00:00 -
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Drones are like a swarm of kids-soldiers. They can be great and devastating but mostly the will play around and do what they see fit. |
Adalynne Rohks
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
197
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:04:00 -
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I'm beginning to second guess my choice to go with drones as my primary damage. For missions, they're probably alright, but there aren't enough frig/destroyer/cruised sized drone boats for me to really take advantage of it in cheap PvP.
In a little while, I'll be able to fly an ishkur, and that may change things, but I feel that for a race that's supposed to "specialize" in drones, we don't have enough cool drone boats. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1055
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:30:00 -
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Only the Ishtar and Gila have drones as "primary weapon", and that means about 2/3 of total dps. Maybe the Rattler as well? Not sure, anyway drones can't be considered a primary weapon system and you should tailor your training to accommodate both drone and turret/launcher skills.
Gallente is not supposed to be the drone race, we just have more and better options for using drones- Gallente is the brawler race.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
253
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:42:00 -
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I have no friends, neither in RL nor in EVE, so my only companions are Ogre and Bouncer. The Order of the Falcon or Hin +¡slenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
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Stetson Eagle
ROC Academy The ROC
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:43:00 -
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Using drones as a primary weapon in PVP is completely viable if a bit situational. There will be a lot more people using them now that they got buffed. Especially Bouncer II's.
The main weakness is, of course, losing the drones on the way. This makes them sub optimal for many roaming situations where you are just looking for fights.
The main advantage is that assisted drones completely bypass targeting/capacitor needs from the droneboat itself, and focus fire perfectly from multiple ships simultaneously.
-> Dominixes can use cloak, spider tank etc. while not focusing on dealing damage. -> Dominix fleet can split damage between guns and drones with separate primaries. -> Typhoon fleet can do the same. -> Armageddon fleet can do the same. Navy Armageddons = Hellcats + sentry damage source? -> Gilas can kite around while having a stationary and focused damage source, which is simultaneously hard to interpret for tacklers going after the kiters. -> (Shield?) Carrier Pantheon fleet can utilize damage modded sentries for instant focus fire with instant logistics.
For the solo player,
-> Pilgrims (XL ASB anyone?) will deal more damage. -> Arbitrator and Vexor will deal more damage. -> Myrmidon will deal more damage. -> Ishtar and Gila will deal more damage. -> Dominix and Armageddon have become quite fun on paper gank fits. -> Neut Dominix will deal more damage. -> Drone frigates will deal more damage.
-> Procurer / Skiff might have become frigate slaying machines. |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
2167
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:53:00 -
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Oh, Praxis again... I kinda like you.
Drones? I love'em! As a miner, I mostly relay on them for protection or missions... but after dumping some skill points in the relevant skills, you can use them for almost anything pretty efficiently... I'm especially fond of EWAR drones (ECM).
Best drone cruiser in my opinion: Arbitrator "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way."
Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 |
Alayna Le'line
16
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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:17:00 -
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Roime wrote:Only the Ishtar and Gila have drones as "primary weapon", and that means about 2/3 of total dps. Maybe the Rattler as well? Not sure, anyway drones can't be considered a primary weapon system and you should tailor your training to accommodate both drone and turret/launcher skills.
Gallente is not supposed to be the drone race, we just have more and better options for using drones- Gallente is the brawler race.
CCP Ytterbium, is that you?
The fact that drones aren't all that viable/practical as primary weapons system says more about them being broken and ignored by CCP (no doubt because what you said is an echo of what Ytterbium posted elsewhere, and then [had to?] edited out...) than not being or not being supposed to be a primary weapons system. Also good luck doing much with a Dominix, Vexor, Ishkur or Myrmidon without drones (they do, however, all work quite fine without guns) |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10053
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:13:00 -
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Drones are great, but sentries like them way too much.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
210
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Posted - 2012.08.15 14:32:00 -
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People who say drones suck, don't use them properly. Its like anything else, there is a drone for every occasion, you just need to be able to figure out which drones you need for the job
And drones are GREAT for pvp... You tell everyone in your fleet to pack ECM drones before undocking and sick them on your enemy in the middle of the fight. Great for harassing enemy logistics.
Also, Drones keep attacking even after YOU are jammed.
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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
211
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Posted - 2012.08.15 15:12:00 -
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I didn't read all three pages, so somone may have said some of this already:
First of all, drones treat commands like suggestions. Once you get the hang of it, you'll naturally spam your attack hot key a few times to ensure they are attacking what you want them to.
Drones are incredibly versatile, from ECM to repping, to combat, to mining.
Capitalizing on this flexibility, I set up a 2-boat Spider Tanking / combat fleet for PvE: I use a Repper Domi (Navy Issue) to service my ISN designed Mach (older design - not the newest super expensive one with T2 rigs). I modified that Mach to use an armor repper in the high slot, and heavy armor maintenance bots X4. So, the Repper Domi can put down an array of drones as the situation dictates, i.e., sentries for DPS, shield reppers if the 3 shield transporters are not enough, light drones to take out web/scram frigs.
My Domi's drones also hit out to about 106km, making a flight of Wardens a perfect combo for the inherent range limits of the Mach's 800mm guns. The Mach's single armor repper and repper drones X4 service the Domi if it takes aggro. Since the bulk of our repper capability is intended for the Mach, we primary ANY/ALL ships NOT shooting at the Mach because they will be shooting at drones or Domi. The repper Domi also has a single armor projector and repairs any drones that get aggroed on the fly.
This set up works so well, that I usually have the mach aggro the entire field, and then warp in the Domi for repping and sentry DPS. Set drones to "defend" or "assist" as needed for critical targets. We usually just pick off the mission ratz methodically.
So : while maxxing your drone skills, fit in some training for a Dominix. Run L4s. Make ISK. Grow from there into a bunch of other stuff. |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.08.15 22:15:00 -
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Umm, I may have put my foot in my moth about the drone damage amp.
All it says in the desription is:
Quote: This module is for combat drones, not fighters or bombers.
Bad assumption on my part (helped by a FEW beers)
Sorry for the bad assumption. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
584
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Posted - 2012.08.16 02:52:00 -
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I have a toon with 10M or so SP in drones. Drones used to be awesome. Then they got nerfed. Then they got buffed a little, and then nerfed a little. Now they're ok, but not awesome.
However do pay attention to the ships that are designed to take advantage of drones and give bonuses to drones. Ishtar. Gila. Sentinel. Rattlesnake. Etc. Using these ships with awesome drone skills can be quite rewarding for both PvP and PVE. PvP not so much unless you are up against a noob, because an experienced player will realize where most of your dps is coming from and just pop your drones. But the drones can be quite fun. Of course fighters are even more fun... |
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