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Praxis Ginimic Defensive Parameter The Mandalorians 13	Posted - 2012.08.14 22:58:00 - [1] - Quote I'm very new...less than 2 months. I fly Gallente and like it so far (although I will be cross training lots) and before I embark on a 2 month long journey of drone skills I'd like the advice of some vets who have their drone skills maxed out. It seems to me that it could be a very versatile and deadly weapon platform if one really fits for it but then again what the hell do I know. So, what do the drone specialists think, in terms of both pve & pvp?
Cadfael Maelgwyn Immortals of New Eden Rebel Alliance of New Eden 116	Posted - 2012.08.14 23:00:00 - [2] - Quote Drones are great, except for the parts where they can get blown up and tend to do stupid things.
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 415	Posted - 2012.08.14 23:00:00 - [3] - Quote Good for mission running, not so good for pvp. You want fries with that?
Nikolai Dostoyevski Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2012.08.14 23:01:00 - [4] - Quote Great for solo farming PvE missions. Suck for most else, including anything WH.
Whadafool Universal Might 21	Posted - 2012.08.14 23:04:00 - [5] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Good for mission running, not so good for pvp. this Free EvE wallpapers https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=110114
Chatte Noire PepperPark Deep Space Operations 33	Posted - 2012.08.14 23:07:00 - [6] - Quote Drones rule. They will get shot at, blown up, will split up and decide to engage at least three different targets. People who have spent 500k SP in rails/missiles/not drones will laugh at your 6M SP in drones while they blast them out of the sky. But you tell yourself: "I can solo missions afk and need not care about optimals or falloff in PvP." Then you notice your dronebay is empty. But only after you found yourself in a situation where you have to abandon your drones in order to save your ship. Thing is, you just left your guns behind. Opposite applies when flying stealth bombers. /edit: I don't even know if that's english what i did there.
Gun Gal Dark Club 71	Posted - 2012.08.14 23:12:00 - [7] - Quote As someone who has everything drones level 5 they rock in pve , and if you use the combat electronic warfare drones, web,act in p they can totally screen the enemy up while you chew them a new arse.
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 333	Posted - 2012.08.14 23:15:00 - [8] - Quote Drones are a great back up but in a fleet pvp they usually get smart bombed to death. This doesn't mean they don't get used. Just don't make it your only weapon. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Barkaial Starfinder Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2012.08.14 23:21:00 - [9] - Quote Drones are not as bad as some people think in PVP. It helps a lot with damage, but should not be your only damage dealing weapon IMO. ECM drones are strong. Small drones are a must to kill frigates when you are using a bigger ship.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9088	Posted - 2012.08.14 23:25:00 - [10] - Quote They're pretty much obligatory no matter what you do, but you'll end up using different drones and using them for different things. If you dig around a bit, you'll have no problem fining a large pile of GÇ£nerf ECM dronesGÇ¥-threads. There's a reason for that: they're everywhere and they're both very very good and very very handy. Yes, damage drones are also handy but they have the downside of being delayed damage and of course, you lose damage if and when you have to leave them behind in a hurry. Likewise, unless a PvE boat is completely without any drone space whatsoever, you will not find a fit that does not cram as many damage drones in there as possible. The exact type of drones will depend on what you fly yourself and what you fly against, and they all have their special use cases. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Jill Xelitras Xeltec services Russian International Allegiance 47	Posted - 2012.08.14 23:52:00 - [11] - Quote Disadvantage of drones: - if it's not a sentry drone it has to fly up to the target before it can shoot it. Same is true for missiles, but missiles are a bit faster. Turrets on the other hand hit the target as soon as they fire. - drones can be killed or you leave them behind when you have to warp out, reducing your firepower (to 0 if you only use drones as weapons) - drones can be attacked by some NPCs in some missions. They will die against sleepers or when you try running incursions. -if you want to squeeze out a lot of range of your drones you either have to sacrifice high-slots to put in drone-control modules or put up with a lot of skill-training time. Advantages of drones: - you can confuse less experienced players. They won't know if they better attack your ship to have the drones stop shooting them or if they should concentrate on killing the drones first to reduce your firepower. (Fly Ishkur, Dramiel ...) - excellent secondary weapon which keeps on firing even if you are jammed by ecm. - e-war drones, especially small ecm drones are popular in smaller engagements. At least non-Gallente use them. Gallente are often better off with combat drones when the ship gives bonuses to the damage output of said drones. - if you don't lose your drones in PVE they will save you a lot of ammo cost. - often small drones are used by Battleships and Battlecruisers to allow them to deal damage to frigates (both in PvE and in PvP), as large guns have trouble hitting smaller targets. Other considerations: As with any weapon in eve ... 1) It's a rock, paper, scissor mechanic. If you bring the wrong tool, it will be useless. 2) Every weapon is subject to changes by CCP. Don't let other people tell you which weapons are good and which are bad ... unless they have a very good idea what they are talking about. Whine posts with bogus statistics are not proof by the way. 3) In large fleet engagments, turrets are preferred, simply because they deal damage immediately. Drones are used less, because a fleet can't necessarily wait for the last pilot to retrieve their drones before the fleet moves on. That doesn't mean that drones aren't used at all. Carriers like the Thanatos use drones or fighters a lot. 4) Generally you will have to conform to what your fleet-commander wants you to fly. Either find people who use droneships aswell or use the ships that you are told to use. I hope this helps. EVE Racing event thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164&find=unread Join in game channel/mailing list: New Eden Racing
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9088	Posted - 2012.08.14 23:59:00 - [12] - Quote GÇªoh, and you'd be surprised how many people miss ewar drone interfacing skill and the bonus it provides. Don't make the same mistake of being fooled by the name GÇö it works for all drones, and the extra 15 (or, more reasonably, 12) km of drone control range you can squeeze out can make all the difference. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
gobbybobby KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 6	Posted - 2012.08.15 00:00:00 - [13] - Quote 2 year player here. Majority skill points in Drones I use me mainly for PVE, I fly a dommy or an Ishtar, The new Drone damage amp, with sentrys make quick work of most Sites and missions. I am a null sec dweller so run the easy/ moderate plexs with my dommy, just 1 gun for the aggro, rest is up to drones, I fit salvagers/ tractor beams and a drone link aug in the hi slots, and will run the harder sites in a small group, with me as tank, and still put out a fair amount DPS with my drones. PVP Ive not really tried much Drone based PVP, myrmidon is great as you can get 3 Ogres in there, T2 heavy drone skills is a must. I have T2 sentry drone skills which are great for pve, warp in, get aggro, kill rats, just watch for waves aggroing drones and its relatively easy. (but not too easy CCP, I still gotta be watching local/ D-Scan if there are hostiles around, watching my drones in case they get aggro, even if I don't click my mouse while I am doing it OK!) personally I wish sentry's they had a bit more range so they could be effectively used in sniper gangs along side say, tornado's.
Spurty D00M. Northern Coalition. 419	Posted - 2012.08.15 00:18:00 - [14] - Quote Drones badly need updating to consume something. Completely bonkers wespon system that can chose damage type and utility. As they stand, they are infinite damage spew ing bots with a very low iq and easily distracted Having said that, someone will say "but they can be blown up!!!" as if missiles can't by firewall smart bombing battleships Highly recommend you go missiles skills first, them Drones if all you ever want to Do is solo content. ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2012.08.15 00:29:00 - [15] - Quote gobbybobby wrote: 2 year player here. Majority skill points in Drones I use me mainly for PVE, I fly a dommy or an Ishtar, The new Drone damage amp, with sentrys make quick work of most forum posters. PVP My corp says my ineffective drones screw up the overview Really dude if you took the time to read about the damage mod u might realize that it doesn't affect sentrys. On a related note, ask the Goonie who lost his Stealth Bomber to a skiff if drones are effective.
Akirei Scytale Test Alliance Please Ignore 2278	Posted - 2012.08.15 00:40:00 - [16] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: gobbybobby wrote: 2 year player here. Majority skill points in Drones I use me mainly for PVE, I fly a dommy or an Ishtar, The new Drone damage amp, with sentrys make quick work of most forum posters. PVP My corp says my ineffective drones screw up the overview Really dude if you took the time to read about the damage mod u might realize that it doesn't affect sentrys. On a related note, ask the Goonie who lost his Stealth Bomber to a skiff if drones are effective. Drones won't kill most ships, especially frigates, but they can chase frigates off. As for that bomber, anything with drones will ruin a torp bomber's day unless said torp bomber is flying a support DPS role in a small gang and firing from outside drone range. Bombers are fragile ships. Anything that has a chance of fighting back will probably kill one. Hence why they are optimally used in bomber wings. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance
Kate Stenton Four Pillar Production Dragehund 33	Posted - 2012.08.15 00:41:00 - [17] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: gobbybobby wrote: 2 year player here. Majority skill points in Drones I use me mainly for PVE, I fly a dommy or an Ishtar, The new Drone damage amp, with sentrys make quick work of most forum posters. PVP My corp says my ineffective drones screw up the overview Really dude if you took the time to read about the damage mod u might realize that it doesn't affect sentrys. On a related note, ask the Goonie who lost his Stealth Bomber to a skiff if drones are effective. Are you sure? I can't use sentries, but EFT shows they do. The description only excludes fighters and bombers, too. I'd like to know for sure though.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9089	Posted - 2012.08.15 00:51:00 - [18] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Really dude if you took the time to read about the damage mod u might realize that it doesn't affect sentrys. GÇªand you base that conclusion onGÇª? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Jill Xelitras Xeltec services Russian International Allegiance 48	Posted - 2012.08.15 01:03:00 - [19] - Quote Mistah Ewedynao wrote: Really dude if you took the time to read about the damage mod u might realize that it doesn't affect sentrys. Is it foot in mouth time again ? EVE Racing event thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107164&find=unread Join in game channel/mailing list: New Eden Racing
Praxis Ginimic Defensive Parameter The Mandalorians 13	Posted - 2012.08.15 01:05:00 - [20] - Quote Thanx. There is a lot of good info in there. I certainly don't plan on keeping to "solo content" though. I'm in a small pvp corp and although I haven't had much luck in pvp yet I'm mainly focused on finding profitable pve that isn't terribly boring. I need to fund all that pew some how. Again, thanx for the tips
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1052	Posted - 2012.08.15 01:15:00 - [21] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Good for mission running, not so good for pvp. Mission runners are good for mission running, not so good for pvp? Drones are used in almost all smaller engagements in New Eden, and unlike missioners, combat pilots use only things that work, instead of something a fellow NPC corpie found on Battleclinic. Drones kill. Drones are an interesting and versatile supplemental weapon system on a handful of Gallente and Amarr ships. On Gallente, they increase your operational range significantly, as you are mostly using blasters with short range. Drones are the main weapon of just a few ships in game, most of Gallente so-called drone boats do half of their total damage with drones. Gallente is generally a race best suited for solo and small gang combat, and drone boats are very good in this area. High damage output, wide engagement envelope and versatility. Even tough drones can be destroyed, it is not trivial in case of HP-bonused ships, and your enemies are not shooting you when they shoot drones. Drones will continue working even when your ship is neuted dry, permajammed, damped and tackled immobile. Because you need to train two weapon systems, and the primary attributes are different for turrets and drones, reaching the full potential of drone boats takes marginally more time than ships with a single weapon system. Drones require micromanagement, and this adds yet another moving part to your combat controls, but I find it engaging and even emphasizing player skill a bit. Quote: Suck for most else, including anything WH. Another awesomely detailed comment, and naturally BS. I've used only drones in WHs for over a year. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Bing Khagah Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2012.08.15 01:46:00 - [22] - Quote "your enemies are not shooting you when they shoot drones" That bit gets neglected in drone/gallente discussions - alot. Sure people setup perma tanks, gain agro and /afk. It's just as viable (when skills allow) to setup for max drone damage and have them tank while you micro manage.
Jame Jarl Retief Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 242	Posted - 2012.08.15 01:59:00 - [23] - Quote Praxis Ginimic wrote: I'm very new...less than 2 months. I fly Gallente and like it so far (although I will be cross training lots) and before I embark on a 2 month long journey of drone skills I'd like the advice of some vets who have their drone skills maxed out. It seems to me that it could be a very versatile and deadly weapon platform if one really fits for it but then again what the hell do I know. So, what do the drone specialists think, in terms of both pve & pvp? I'm a drone specialist. And if I knew back then what I know now, I would never, ever, not in a billion years have trained drones! Ever! This is not to say I would not have trained drones at all. No, they're practically mandatory as backup systems and many (most?) ships in EVE have some drone capability, however minor. But this is light and medium drones. I definitely would not have trained T2 heavies and T2 sentries and the rest. Eventually I would get even the heavies and sentries, there are ships that rely on them, but they would not have been a priority. In retrospect, it was a HUGE mistake for me to train them and I wish I could have taken it all back. Let me paint you a quick picture if you decide to follow the life of a droner: 1. Drones can and will be destroyed. As a drone boat captain, bulk of your DPS, or at least half, will come from drones. When you face another ship, it'll kill your drones, probably using his own drones, which while unbonused still do enough damage to kill yours. And for him, drones will be a small percentage of his overall DPS, which he'll use to blow you up. And you cannot shoot off his turrets, or missile launchers. But he can take out your drones no problem. 2. Drones are slow. They are by far the slowest weapon system in the game. All turrets do instant damage. Even when you fire at something 200km away, the damage happens instantly. Boom, Pop. Instant. Missiles are worse off, they fly to target. But drones are slower, especially if you want to do most damage with them (Gallente drones). And the bigger you go, the slower they are. The only exception is sentries, their damage is instant, but they don't move either, you have to babysit them from 2.5km away, or leave them to die. 3. Drones can't overheat. Consider a Catalyst, a Gallente destroyer. Seven turrets. Without overheating, it'll do, say 560 DPS with Null ammo. Now overheat the turrets, and you get 650 DPS. That's right, a 15% DPS increase. Can you do the same with drones? No, you cannot. Why? Your answer is as good as mine. 4. Drone UI is bad. Do you know how many buttons you have to push to LAUNCH drones? Let's see. Assume your drone window is open, otherwise add 1 click to open it. Left-click on drones in bay. Left-click group you want to launch. Right-click to get contextual menu. Left-click on launch drones. There, congrats. It took you 4 clicks to launch drones. Make that 5 clicks if your drone window wasn't open. Make that 6 clicks if you wanted to see drones inside the group before you launched them. And do you know how many clicks it takes to fire those 7 turrets on a Catalyst? One. Just one. EDIT: Maybe make it one less click, I think you can launch without selecting a group. But still, 3-4 clicks minimum. Compared to just 1 for other weapons. 5. Drone AI is bad. Not much to explain here. You tell them "Focus Fire", they say "Sir, yes, sir!" Then one goes for a target 2km away, two more for a target 20km away, and the remaining two go for a target 40km away. Yes, a three-way split. Very rare, but I've seen it. More often you get a two-way split, but it still means they would not break their targets' tanks, most likely. If, after all this, you want drones as your primary weapon, you are a better, braver man than I. Having said all that, there is perhaps some light at the end of the tunnel. Currently we have no drone boats in T1 frigates. That is going to change. We have no drone boats among T1 destroyers. This is going to change as well, it is rumored both Gallente and Amarr will get drone boat destroyers. How badly they will suck still remains to be seen, but at least there's a chance. In further review, some things about current boats might change as well. For example Vexor will apparently stay as is, but Myrmidon might bet more bandwidth and lose a gun. For better or worse. Further light at the end of the tunnel is the possibility of new and better drone UI. That is, it will no longer take you 4-6 clicks to do what everyone else can do with a single click. They showed a mock-up of it at FanFest, and it was mentioned in recent CSM minutes. But it is one of those things that could happen by this winter's expansion. Or next year. Or never. Bottom line, as a primarily drone user I'll tell you one thing - if I knew then what I know now, I would have trained turrets and been much happier right now, instead of trying to convince Devs in charge of ship rebalancing not to do horrible things and give Gallente ships bandwidth to release 4 drones, but give them only enough space to carry 6. For PvE, drones are OK. Not good, not great, but OK. They're decent if you want to AFK run L4 missions in high sec. Get yourself a big fat Rattlesnake, tank the hell out of it, aggro the entire room, release drones. Come back in 20-30 mins, and room is clear. It's relatively easy and painless, and I PLEXed my account for a year from doing just that. For everything else? From my experience, it sucks. Plain and simple. There are a few exceptions, but as a general rule turrets are VASTLY superior as a primary weapon system. Drones are a support system at best. Nowhere near good enough to be called a primary - too flawed, too fragile, too prone to AI screwups, slow due to bad UI, etc. That's my 0.01 ISK.
Amarra Mandalin Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 12	Posted - 2012.08.15 02:02:00 - [24] - Quote I think drones are situational and largely about playstyle whereas they work in PvE and PvP X percentage of time. PVE -- On my main PVE toon I replaced drones on my Tengu with a target painter and haven't looked back. The Proteus, however, makes a better PvP ship -- so as you mentioned cross-training ... if you want T3, you might think ahead on that. If you like Domi, etc. then you're fine. PvP -- I have always used drones among the 4 PvP toons I've had/have -- which covers all the races. I have found more pros than cons using them and ECM drones have saved me some ships. Drone boats are not usually primary either. Using drones for primary damage, I'm on the fence about. It has worked for me great so far, but i'm not dealing with many smartbombs on this toon at this time. While I'm usually a tackler, it's nice to be able to warp at range, do my thing, warp out if needed, come back and cause more havoc. Drones also enable other ships in the fleet to live longer too, in some cases, to include Assist. Also, kinda like the way drakes do -- as it's more for the enemy to contend with and you can fight at range -- even though they get the bum rap. You can try stuff on SiSi too (both PvE and PvP) to see what you like and what works. You learn in Eve that the truth is often found by trying out something yourself (keeping input in mind) rather than by following the mantra du jour-- which usually includes overarching generalizations. -------I podded a corpie for afk'ing at the sun. He had implants, too. -á-á-á-á I'd do it again.-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á
Praxis Ginimic Defensive Parameter The Mandalorians 13	Posted - 2012.08.15 03:43:00 - [25] - Quote Roime wrote: snip Jame Jarl Retief wrote: snip These are the posts I was looking for. Thanks for helping to refine my game plan a bit
Soundwave Plays Diablo Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 108	Posted - 2012.08.15 04:49:00 - [26] - Quote Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote: Great for solo farming PvE missions. Suck for most else, including anything WH. Hi. That is misinformation. I run 2 navy Domi's. Live in a c4, & ninja the static c3's. I have 2 toons with max'd out sentry skills and they clear the sites in <9 minutes. They rarely lose a drone. The hobgoblins **** the frigs. As far as PvP, got some decent kills in a standard domi the other day with my fleet. Wasn't the highest DPS in the world but absolutely stellar for the price. The Gila is fun to fly, as well as the Myrm. Fleet issue Typhoon is super fun once you have enough SP for it including the drones. Drones are awesome, but take a long time to train. You need to know how to use them for PvP or Pve to get the most out of them.
Gun Gal Dark Club 71	Posted - 2012.08.15 05:50:00 - [27] - Quote Read up on drones, make your own mind up. As someone who is maxed drones and uses them very effectively in combat, you have to see beyond the spewing of noobs. Drone rock in pvp, and pve, but are not the endall, and nor should they be. But having said that, breaking drakes shield tanks with neuts, having falcon in your pocket (ecm), having effective hot keys for drone commands, ie: using drones as they should be, as an integral part of the ship setup you are going to use. I cannot tell you how many times I have been threatened with cheating, when it was the drones I was using that gave me the advantage. People say drones suck. Those people don't know how to play. And who am I to say that? Just one of the proud few 2003 gallant players who have stuck with drones since the beginning.
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 415	Posted - 2012.08.15 08:41:00 - [28] - Quote Roime wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Good for mission running, not so good for pvp. Mission runners are good for mission running, not so good for pvp? Drones are used in almost all smaller engagements in New Eden, and unlike missioners, combat pilots use only things that work, instead of something a fellow NPC corpie found on Battleclinic. Drones kill. Drones are an interesting and versatile supplemental weapon system on a handful of Gallente and Amarr ships. On Gallente, they increase your operational range significantly, as you are mostly using blasters with short range. Drones are the main weapon of just a few ships in game, most of Gallente so-called drone boats do half of their total damage with drones. Gallente is generally a race best suited for solo and small gang combat, and drone boats are very good in this area. High damage output, wide engagement envelope and versatility. Even tough drones can be destroyed, it is not trivial in case of HP-bonused ships, and your enemies are not shooting you when they shoot drones. Drones will continue working even when your ship is neuted dry, permajammed, damped and tackled immobile. Because you need to train two weapon systems, and the primary attributes are different for turrets and drones, reaching the full potential of drone boats takes marginally more time than ships with a single weapon system. Drones require micromanagement, and this adds yet another moving part to your combat controls, but I find it engaging and even emphasizing player skill a bit. Quote: Suck for most else, including anything WH. Another awesomely detailed comment, and naturally BS. I've used only drones in WHs for over a year. I stand by my original comment. To suggest otherwise is just bing contrary for the sake of it. You want fries with that?
Virgil Travis Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated 601	Posted - 2012.08.15 08:55:00 - [29] - Quote Gun Gal wrote: As someone who has everything drones level 5 they rock in pve , and if you use the combat electronic warfare drones, web,act in pvp they can totally screw the enemy up while you chew them a new arse. ECM drones in pvp can save not only your ship but someone else's too, well worth training. Chances are that you'll lose a lot of drones in pvp, either leaving them behind when you bug out or having them shot out from under you. If they're shooting your drones, they aren't shooting you. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 85	Posted - 2012.08.15 09:00:00 - [30] - Quote Drones are very capeable in missions and also very good in pvp. The only place where you can not use their full potential is at gate or station fights in lowsec where you are the aggressing party; sentries will pop your drones very fast (on the other hand you can use that for your advantage sometimes...
Radius Prime Aliastra Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2012.08.15 09:10:00 - [31] - Quote Praxis Ginimic wrote: I'm very new...less than 2 months. I fly Gallente and like it so far (although I will be cross training lots) and before I embark on a 2 month long journey of drone skills I'd like the advice of some vets who have their drone skills maxed out. It seems to me that it could be a very versatile and deadly weapon platform if one really fits for it but then again what the hell do I know. So, what do the drone specialists think, in terms of both pve & pvp? More important things to train at 2 months I would think. Would max out drones (the lvl 1 skill) so you can use 5 and get some drone support skills to like 3 but please don't waste months on them at this point. You have tons of different skills to train that will add more benefit and get you into bigger ships. Very strong pve but just a nice bonus pvp.
Kryss Darkdust The Skulls 95	Posted - 2012.08.15 09:26:00 - [32] - Quote I personally love drones in PvP. It creates distraction, slows your opponent down, forces them to lock onto and fire at something other than you and your team mates or deal with the consequences of whatever the drone does. It is true however that drones can sometimes act unpredictably and in a PvP fight you don't really have time to be dicking around with trying to get them to act right. Also worth mentioning that they are really good in some specific situations in particular. For example when you get tackled, sending out some ECM drones on the tackler might shake them, or combat drones to trim the fat of that frigate. Sending out webber drones to slow down big ships while you get into your optimal range (and out of his). Really all sorts of great ways to use drones, but they do complicate things in terms of PvP. Its one more thing to control in a tense fight.
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1054	Posted - 2012.08.15 10:20:00 - [33] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I stand by my original comment. To suggest otherwise is just bing contrary for the sake of it. Your original comment holds zero value without any justifications. And no. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9095	Posted - 2012.08.15 10:46:00 - [34] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I stand by my original comment. To suggest otherwise is just bing contrary for the sake of it. No. To suggest otherwise confirms what you see every day: drones are hugely important in PvP. Just because they see different uses than you might see in missions and the like does not mean that they're not good for PvP. GÇªoh, and dive-bombing an Ishtar onto that annoying Falcon alt sure makes them bug out in a real hurry. That poor ship doesn't respond well to bonused mediums (or even heavies) for some reason. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Josef Djugashvilis The Scope Gallente Federation 415	Posted - 2012.08.15 10:49:00 - [35] - Quote Tippia wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I stand by my original comment. To suggest otherwise is just bing contrary for the sake of it. No. To suggest otherwise confirms what you see every day: drones are hugely important in PvP. Just because they see different uses than you might see in missions and the like does not mean that they're not good for PvP. GÇªoh, and dive-bombing an Ishtar onto that annoying Falcon alt sure makes them bug out in a real hurry. That poor ship doesn't respond well to bonused mediums (or even heavies) for some reason. Dear Tippia, please be kind enough to ignore any post I may make. You want fries with that?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9095	Posted - 2012.08.15 10:51:00 - [36] - Quote Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Dear Tippia, please be kind enough to ignore any post I may make. 500M ISK. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
Zera Kerrigan Dark Tempest Enterprises 16	Posted - 2012.08.15 11:00:00 - [37] - Quote Drones are like a swarm of kids-soldiers. They can be great and devastating but mostly the will play around and do what they see fit.
Adalynne Rohks Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 197	Posted - 2012.08.15 11:04:00 - [38] - Quote I'm beginning to second guess my choice to go with drones as my primary damage. For missions, they're probably alright, but there aren't enough frig/destroyer/cruised sized drone boats for me to really take advantage of it in cheap PvP. In a little while, I'll be able to fly an ishkur, and that may change things, but I feel that for a race that's supposed to "specialize" in drones, we don't have enough cool drone boats.
Roime Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance 1055	Posted - 2012.08.15 11:30:00 - [39] - Quote Only the Ishtar and Gila have drones as "primary weapon", and that means about 2/3 of total dps. Maybe the Rattler as well? Not sure, anyway drones can't be considered a primary weapon system and you should tailor your training to accommodate both drone and turret/launcher skills. Gallente is not supposed to be the drone race, we just have more and better options for using drones- Gallente is the brawler race. Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman
Ottersmacker Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED 253	Posted - 2012.08.15 11:42:00 - [40] - Quote I have no friends, neither in RL nor in EVE, so my only companions are Ogre and Bouncer. The Order of the Falcon or Hin +¡slenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland
Stetson Eagle ROC Academy The ROC 28	Posted - 2012.08.15 11:43:00 - [41] - Quote Using drones as a primary weapon in PVP is completely viable if a bit situational. There will be a lot more people using them now that they got buffed. Especially Bouncer II's. The main weakness is, of course, losing the drones on the way. This makes them sub optimal for many roaming situations where you are just looking for fights. The main advantage is that assisted drones completely bypass targeting/capacitor needs from the droneboat itself, and focus fire perfectly from multiple ships simultaneously. -> Dominixes can use cloak, spider tank etc. while not focusing on dealing damage. -> Dominix fleet can split damage between guns and drones with separate primaries. -> Typhoon fleet can do the same. -> Armageddon fleet can do the same. Navy Armageddons = Hellcats + sentry damage source? -> Gilas can kite around while having a stationary and focused damage source, which is simultaneously hard to interpret for tacklers going after the kiters. -> (Shield?) Carrier Pantheon fleet can utilize damage modded sentries for instant focus fire with instant logistics. For the solo player, -> Pilgrims (XL ASB anyone?) will deal more damage. -> Arbitrator and Vexor will deal more damage. -> Myrmidon will deal more damage. -> Ishtar and Gila will deal more damage. -> Dominix and Armageddon have become quite fun on paper gank fits. -> Neut Dominix will deal more damage. -> Drone frigates will deal more damage. -> Procurer / Skiff might have become frigate slaying machines.
Shalua Rui FEROX AQUILA 2167	Posted - 2012.08.15 11:53:00 - [42] - Quote Oh, Praxis again... I kinda like you. Drones? I love'em! As a miner, I mostly relay on them for protection or missions... but after dumping some skill points in the relevant skills, you can use them for almost anything pretty efficiently... I'm especially fond of EWAR drones (ECM). Best drone cruiser in my opinion: Arbitrator "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778
Alayna Le'line 16	Posted - 2012.08.15 13:17:00 - [43] - Quote Roime wrote: Only the Ishtar and Gila have drones as "primary weapon", and that means about 2/3 of total dps. Maybe the Rattler as well? Not sure, anyway drones can't be considered a primary weapon system and you should tailor your training to accommodate both drone and turret/launcher skills. Gallente is not supposed to be the drone race, we just have more and better options for using drones- Gallente is the brawler race. CCP Ytterbium, is that you? The fact that drones aren't all that viable/practical as primary weapons system says more about them being broken and ignored by CCP (no doubt because what you said is an echo of what Ytterbium posted elsewhere, and then [had to?] edited out...) than not being or not being supposed to be a primary weapons system. Also good luck doing much with a Dominix, Vexor, Ishkur or Myrmidon without drones (they do, however, all work quite fine without guns)
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 10053	Posted - 2012.08.15 14:13:00 - [44] - Quote Drones are great, but sentries like them way too much. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
highonpop Void.Tech Fatal Ascension 210	Posted - 2012.08.15 14:32:00 - [45] - Quote People who say drones suck, don't use them properly. Its like anything else, there is a drone for every occasion, you just need to be able to figure out which drones you need for the job And drones are GREAT for pvp... You tell everyone in your fleet to pack ECM drones before undocking and sick them on your enemy in the middle of the fight. Great for harassing enemy logistics. Also, Drones keep attacking even after YOU are jammed. http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Very%20best%20of%20Makalu%20Zarya
Urgg Boolean Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 211	Posted - 2012.08.15 15:12:00 - [46] - Quote I didn't read all three pages, so somone may have said some of this already: First of all, drones treat commands like suggestions. Once you get the hang of it, you'll naturally spam your attack hot key a few times to ensure they are attacking what you want them to. Drones are incredibly versatile, from ECM to repping, to combat, to mining. Capitalizing on this flexibility, I set up a 2-boat Spider Tanking / combat fleet for PvE: I use a Repper Domi (Navy Issue) to service my ISN designed Mach (older design - not the newest super expensive one with T2 rigs). I modified that Mach to use an armor repper in the high slot, and heavy armor maintenance bots X4. So, the Repper Domi can put down an array of drones as the situation dictates, i.e., sentries for DPS, shield reppers if the 3 shield transporters are not enough, light drones to take out web/scram frigs. My Domi's drones also hit out to about 106km, making a flight of Wardens a perfect combo for the inherent range limits of the Mach's 800mm guns. The Mach's single armor repper and repper drones X4 service the Domi if it takes aggro. Since the bulk of our repper capability is intended for the Mach, we primary ANY/ALL ships NOT shooting at the Mach because they will be shooting at drones or Domi. The repper Domi also has a single armor projector and repairs any drones that get aggroed on the fly. This set up works so well, that I usually have the mach aggro the entire field, and then warp in the Domi for repping and sentry DPS. Set drones to "defend" or "assist" as needed for critical targets. We usually just pick off the mission ratz methodically. So : while maxxing your drone skills, fit in some training for a Dominix. Run L4s. Make ISK. Grow from there into a bunch of other stuff.
Mistah Ewedynao Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2012.08.15 22:15:00 - [47] - Quote Umm, I may have put my foot in my moth about the drone damage amp. All it says in the desription is: Quote: This module is for combat drones, not fighters or bombers. Bad assumption on my part (helped by a FEW beers) Sorry for the bad assumption.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 584	Posted - 2012.08.16 02:52:00 - [48] - Quote I have a toon with 10M or so SP in drones. Drones used to be awesome. Then they got nerfed. Then they got buffed a little, and then nerfed a little. Now they're ok, but not awesome. However do pay attention to the ships that are designed to take advantage of drones and give bonuses to drones. Ishtar. Gila. Sentinel. Rattlesnake. Etc. Using these ships with awesome drone skills can be quite rewarding for both PvP and PVE. PvP not so much unless you are up against a noob, because an experienced player will realize where most of your dps is coming from and just pop your drones. But the drones can be quite fun. Of course fighters are even more fun...

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