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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2012.08.21 02:13:00 -
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Sounds like you have the potential to make a nice bit of isk off of this. If your getting bugeoned by too many request, all you have to do is continue to increase your fees until the number of players wiling to pay it decreases. You'll still be able to make nice isk off your work. I'ld start with 100mil isk per consulting fee and see what happens.
yk |
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.21 04:04:00 -
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Let it begin!  |
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
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Posted - 2012.08.21 11:00:00 -
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YuuKnow wrote:Sounds like you have the potential to make a nice bit of isk off of this. If your getting bugeoned by too many request, all you have to do is continue to increase your fees until the number of players wiling to pay it decreases. You'll still be able to make nice isk off your work. I'ld start with 100mil isk per consulting fee and see what happens.
yk
ppl keep asking me even so i wanted to quit ^^
The amount of time i am willing to spend for fees below 100mio decreased rapidly and i fear my offers will be less professional if i keep this up.
The last customer (worth 58mio) got handled per ingame-chat only, (15min ago) which is not how i want to do this.
Therefore I raised my prices to 2 weeks of profit
The amount you pay me will be back in after 2 weeks. In a month you will have that as pure profit. In 2 months you will have 3 times of that as profit. This should still be fair enough and it will be worth my time.
regards
Destriouth Hollow
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electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.22 01:08:00 -
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Or you could use my program (linked in sig) to calculate your profits.
PI Profit Calculator: calculates your profits and taxes of any PI product depending on how you built them! |
Barakach
R-ISK
Shadow Operations.
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Posted - 2012.08.22 01:39:00 -
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Month 1) Earn 14b
Month 2) Sub 28 new accounts
Month 3-5) Re-sub accounts while training
Month 6) Each account makes 14b = 28*14 392b/month
Month 8) Trillionaire |
anishamora
Atelierele Grivita
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Posted - 2012.08.22 12:09:00 -
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Barakach wrote:Month 1) Earn 14b
Month 2) Sub 28 new accounts
Month 3-5) Re-sub accounts while training
Month 6) Each account makes 14b = 28*14 392b/month
Month 8) Trillionaire
You don't understand, apart from being a financial genius the guy is also a philanthropist and wants to spread the wealth.
Destriouth Hollow wrote:- +ìf you are sure you have the most optimal setup already you can send me your Setup and pay me to keep it secret.
Sooo, if someone finds a gold mine he suddenly gets an uncontrollable urge to share this with someone. And you, being such a kind soul, lend your ear to share this burden. Then ask for money to keep the secret. My brain is melting 
Really now, I'm always amazed at the amount of time and effort these pathetic people waste trying to hatch the next big scam only to fail hard. They could do afk-mining and still earn more with less effort. |
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
0
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:36:00 -
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electrostatus wrote:Or you could use my program (linked in sig) to calculate your profits.
Interesting little visual basic for applications tool.
I like the language cause its easily excessable for needing no special tools unlike Java (which im mainly using) with Eclipse.
Ill take a look at it if i have some time and reply on it.
Barakach wrote:Month 1) Earn 14b
Month 2) Sub 28 new accounts
Month 3-5) Re-sub accounts while training
Month 6) Each account makes 14b = 28*14 392b/month
Month 8) Trillionaire
Again, it was a theoretical number (:
It has some extrodanary requirements and was not ment to be done exactly like that. It was mainly ment as a little funny number and I kind of reget writing it as it gave me an annoying amount of critics.
anishamora wrote:You don't understand, apart from being a financial genius the guy is also a philanthropist and wants to spread the wealth. Sooo, if someone finds a gold mine he suddenly gets an uncontrollable urge to share this with someone. And you, being such a kind soul, lend your ear to share this burden. Then ask for money to keep the secret. My brain is melting Really now, I'm always amazed at the amount of time and effort these pathetic people waste trying to hatch the next big scam only to fail hard. They could do afk-mining and still earn more with less effort.
Well thanks for the flattering (: I do actually perceive myself as quite good with programming and numbers (this is why im studying in those directions i guess ^^). Some friends of me call me a socialist because they disagree with my politcal/social views (especially pure business-students).
Nobody took this particular offer jet. I was ment because i find it interesting what ppl in eve actually do on pi and to compare how much better my system actually is. Figured some people might care too.
Calling me a pathetic scammer however is pretty unjust. Some of my habits might be out of the ordinary, but im in no way a scammer. I contracted quite a few people already and the first one has to criticize me jet. I would however really like more than one of them to give me a positive comment here to stop people like you from propagandize against me.
And i didn't really skill into mining and would hardly make isk out of that ^^
regards
Destriouth |
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
0
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Posted - 2012.08.22 18:10:00 -
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Now lets move away from the harsh isk-gaining in eve and move to a much less competitive topic. I collected some of the beatifull graphics-bugs my computer produced and want to share those with everybody who is interested. Please vote on the prettiest one (:
Here they are:
(im currently trying to find out how to link the the other thread with the number: 1831733)
[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1831733&[/url]
and im really really failing to do it currently
god why doesnt this work |
Talfon Dre't
Krypteia Operations
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Posted - 2012.08.22 20:37:00 -
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I used his services, and overall I'd say it was alright. If you're starting out in PI, this would provide some good information. However, if you're an experienced PI capsuleer, or Industry professional, I don't think you'll learn anything new. The entry price is kind of high, but you will eventually make it back, it all depends on how much initial work you put into it. With the information I was given, I could produce about 3.25m isk every ten hours. That's my honest assessment, so take it or leave it. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
308
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Posted - 2012.08.22 21:27:00 -
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Talfon Dre't wrote:I used his services, and overall I'd say it was alright. If you're starting out in PI, this would provide some good information. However, if you're an experienced PI capsuleer, or Industry professional, I don't think you'll learn anything new. The entry price is kind of high, but you will eventually make it back, it all depends on how much initial work you put into it. With the information I was given, I could produce about 3.25m isk every ten hours. That's my honest assessment, so take it or leave it.
Certainly a far cry from the claims of the OP. 234mil a month? I have been making more than double that without even putting much work into it. And setting it up so I only had to deal with pi every 5 days or so.
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Talfon Dre't
Krypteia Operations
4
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Posted - 2012.08.22 21:53:00 -
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Sorry, I miscalculated. It's actually 6m every ten hours. I forgot to carry the one, and multiply by the square root of the total distance that a laden swallow can travel.
That being said, I'm doing this on one planet with ten installation producing said product. So I'm going to expand this model out to 5, and then I should be looking at around 30m every ten hours. So it's starting to look up. :) |
Barakach
R-ISK
Shadow Operations.
70
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Posted - 2012.08.23 01:17:00 -
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72m/day?
6m/planet every 10 hours is an average of 600k/hour
It's not theoretically possible to create enough P0 to be worth that much, yet alone process it. You would have to import materials to even output 600k/hour of gross value. Net profit would only be a percentage of that.
I'm calling BS on 600k/hour of profit on one planet. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
308
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Posted - 2012.08.23 02:17:00 -
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Barakach wrote:72m/day?
6m/planet every 10 hours is an average of 600k/hour
It's not theoretically possible to create enough P0 to be worth that much, yet alone process it. You would have to import materials to even output 600k/hour of gross value. Net profit would only be a percentage of that.
I'm calling BS on 600k/hour of profit on one planet.
He isn't
1 planet with 10 installations? It's a factory planet. When doing PI in a wormhole I was doing it from P0 to finished product. My extraction planets generally ran 10-12 installations (launchpad, ECU with 10 heads, the rest basic processors). Even with the rich WH planets it was sometimes difficult to extract fast enough to keep more than 8 processors running full time. And that setup would never generate that much income, as none of the P0 or P1 is worth enough.
So it's a factory planet. So in terms of the OP.
1. It's not some amazing program that should have taken 20 hours to code. It's simply excel-fu to figure out what products are profitable from stage X to Y.
2. It's not "minimal effort". I had looked into it when my alliance had taken over a section of lowsec near a trade hub and installed POCO's While the amount of isk I calculated I could make was very high, the amount of work would be far more than my WH operation. I'm talking freighters worth of material to haul in (to lowsec) and finished product to haul out and sell. And planets that needed to be refilled at best every other day. Certainly not a low amount of effort.
Also, any testimonies now are suspect anyhow. You won't know any real numbers for at least a month of actually running your PI and selling the product.
I'm sticking to my original story. If unsure of how that story goes I suggest the classic 1957 film "The Music Man"
For example, the fact that the OP has already shut down shop due to "overwhelming demand" before anyone has had time to even run their "optimal personalized setups" to give proper feedback, fits the story to a "T".
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anishamora
Atelierele Grivita
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Posted - 2012.08.23 06:51:00 -
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Destriouth Hollow wrote:and the first one has to criticize me jet.
I find your constant use of J instead of Y disturbing. Same goes for your theatrical "socialism naivete" that you try to pull in order to cover the scam. It has been tried and done before and you're not even good at it.
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Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
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Posted - 2012.08.23 11:39:00 -
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I did once some Factory Planets in a Class 1 WH. The profits where great. For a time I was willing to haul 2 Freighters of materials per day in and out of the small Class 1 WH.
- Max PI skilled characters
- most could fly a Badger II or Iteron V
- 2 Freighter pilots
- Planet Setups that didn't need attention 4-6 days before refiling
The truth is that it was killing me. The workload from hauling and worrying about the market where to much compared to other options EVE had to offer.
Hauling into the WH was not hard. 20-30 min with 4 Iteron V for 1 Freighter. Flying the Freighters is also almost an afk activity. The big time sink is when you need to refill each planet with the owning character.
At the moment I'm doing R0 to P4 in the C1 WH. With 6 characters I get 100mil/day.
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Talfon Dre't
Krypteia Operations
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Posted - 2012.08.23 12:56:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:
1. It's not some amazing program that should have taken 20 hours to code. It's simply excel-fu to figure out what products are profitable from stage X to Y.
2. It's not "minimal effort". I had looked into it when my alliance had taken over a section of lowsec near a trade hub and installed POCO's While the amount of isk I calculated I could make was very high, the amount of work would be far more than my WH operation. I'm talking freighters worth of material to haul in (to lowsec) and finished product to haul out and sell. And planets that needed to be refilled at best every other day. Certainly not a low amount of effort.
Like I said originally, I don't think it was some revelation from God type of system, but it would be good for people in the beginning stages of PI and trying to find a profitable starting point. I had setup a couple of different PI scenarios in a couple of different areas, and found the work per isk to not be worth it. With the information he gave me, it really did set me in a different direction with a different idea on what I wanted to do, and so far I'm much more profitable.
The effort required to setup is maybe an hour if your going to do multiple planets, but there is hauling involved, but with the setup he gave me, I'm looking at hauling a couple of times every couple of days, so I don't think that's a big deal. Plus I'm only hauling one jump. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
309
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Posted - 2012.08.23 15:02:00 -
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Talfon Dre't wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:
1. It's not some amazing program that should have taken 20 hours to code. It's simply excel-fu to figure out what products are profitable from stage X to Y.
2. It's not "minimal effort". I had looked into it when my alliance had taken over a section of lowsec near a trade hub and installed POCO's While the amount of isk I calculated I could make was very high, the amount of work would be far more than my WH operation. I'm talking freighters worth of material to haul in (to lowsec) and finished product to haul out and sell. And planets that needed to be refilled at best every other day. Certainly not a low amount of effort.
Like I said originally, I don't think it was some revelation from God type of system, but it would be good for people in the beginning stages of PI and trying to find a profitable starting point. I had setup a couple of different PI scenarios in a couple of different areas, and found the work per isk to not be worth it. With the information he gave me, it really did set me in a different direction with a different idea on what I wanted to do, and so far I'm much more profitable. The effort required to setup is maybe an hour if your going to do multiple planets, but there is hauling involved, but with the setup he gave me, I'm looking at hauling a couple of times every couple of days, so I don't think that's a big deal. Plus I'm only hauling one jump.
I am glad you are happy. It is mostly that your own testimonial is certainly way off the mark from the OP's claims. For example:
"My current setup with Command Center Upgrades LVL 3 + Interplanetary Consolidation LVL 3 + never leaving high-sec gives me an income of 360mio ISK per month. It needs hauling every 3,4265 days"
"With the optimal setup my character could alone make more than 14billion ISK (yes im talking about 28 PLEXes) a month."
Maybe if the OP had been a bit more reasonable with his claims, he would have been more believable. |
Talfon Dre't
Krypteia Operations
4
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:14:00 -
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Well he definitely oversold it. |
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
Destiny's Call
1
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Posted - 2012.08.24 19:57:00 -
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There is not a single thing i wrote here that i couldn't defend if really needed.
Until now all estimated prices I gave out in this forum or ingame were about right and only one actually needs a bit of work to keep it running (but he decided that for himself)
The program i made has NOTHING to do with Excel anymore. Only the first few tries for myself were made in Open Office Calc. However this sheet is not used anymore.
It's a java-program that reads out all values in all trade hubs first (buy and sell order) automaticly, with the amount suplied takes into account how much power, how many planets, tax, hauling-capacity you have and goes through multiple multidimensial loops in order to calculate all production chains everywhere at any given moment. I also have to specify for how long the chain with the current orders needs to be doable. It spits out the best chains and i can set it to ignroe the ones i already gave away. Whats quite funny about this is that the chains my program suggests are mostly seeded in 4 different kinds of setups and mostly can be assigned to one of those.
So pls dont tell me i just did some god damn Excel sheet like I could have done years ago when i was still at 6. grade and we covered Excel in high-school. I actually find that quite offensive.
regards |
YuuKnow
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Posted - 2012.08.26 14:37:00 -
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If you could make the output more graphically friendly then you may have a more efficient process. Maybe you should invest time in that to multiple your efficiency and therefore your profits. Can we se an example output?
yk |
McDeth Macaroth
M.I.M.M.S
Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.26 23:40:00 -
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If I created and had this system to make 14bil a month there is no way I would tell anyone. And if I did why charge them? Your making 14bil a month!... Just make 3alts and then make 56bil a month!..
Just saying.
07 |
NetBlaise
Unstable Reaction Inc.
Takahashi Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.08.27 05:57:00 -
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Hello Destriouth Hollow.. I just started back playing after being away for about 2yrs. I'm looking to get into PI... I'm brand new to it...I have been reading and watching a lot guides but still haven't started doing PI. Your offer sounds really good. The fact that you took your own time to create such a system and come on the forums to make this thread makes me feel like I can trust you a bit... Atm I'm grinding L2 and L3 missions to get my funds up. All my ships and funds are on my other alts...Haven't activated them yet....When I get enough I will be contacting you in game.... My in game name is NETBLAISE....I'm always on since I started back playing....Thx a lot for putting the offer out there. Is the cost 100mil? |
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords
Destiny's Call
1
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Posted - 2012.08.28 17:11:00 -
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We start out with a thoughtfull comment:
YuuKnow wrote:If you could make the output more graphically friendly then you may have a more efficient process. Maybe you should invest time in that to multiple your efficiency and therefore your profits. Can we se an example output?
yk
i could just put some words in front of several numbers, that would help i guess ^^
currently its just plain numbers and "-"s ^^
I could but i will have to write some tests soon and this stuff takes an awefull lot of time. (:
Now lets get to my least favorite kind of comment: The ones that refuse to understand or even read and keep repeating themselves over and over and over because beeing unable to understand something that was written almost 10 times seems to be their biggest trait of character.
McDeth Macaroth wrote:If I created and had this system to make 14bil a month there is no way I would tell anyone. And if I did why charge them? Your making 14bil a month!... Just make 3alts and then make 56bil a month!..
Just saying.
07
How often have i answered this question jet? must be arround 6-10 times in just 3 pages of thread, but lets do it again, for the really persistent ones:
My character is pretty new, therefore i have neither the skills nor the capabilities to use my own mechanics to a full extend. You are totally right, why would i post it otherwise? Altough i can just do 6 planets myself anyway and therefore not use all profitable chains anyway. The big number also is theorethical and it would take a ton of work to get close to it. And for the last time i will write, that i regret putting that number in here, because of all the useless critics it earned me.
You may ask or critisize anything on me, my thread or my system, but the next one who annoys me with that 14bil will be called dumbo regulairly.
Now lets coninue with annother comment that makes sense:
NetBlaise wrote:Hello Destriouth Hollow.. I just started back playing after being away for about 2yrs. I'm looking to get into PI... I'm brand new to it...I have been reading and watching a lot guides but still haven't started doing PI. Your offer sounds really good. The fact that you took your own time to create such a system and come on the forums to make this thread makes me feel like I can trust you a bit... Atm I'm grinding L2 and L3 missions to get my funds up. All my ships and funds are on my other alts...Haven't activated them yet....When I get enough I will be contacting you in game.... My in game name is NETBLAISE....I'm always on since I started back playing....Thx a lot for putting the offer out there. Is the cost 100mil?
Sounds good to me. Once you are ready mail me. Write me a ingame mail rather than convying me, because 50% of the time when im online im just ingame to look up stuff for my next project (: And yes its 100mio.
Im currently writing something to compare all BPOs and see which one gives me the best output per research-time/price. (:
Some similar things already exist, but they are very bad at comparing the blueprints and mineral-prices arent very acurate:
http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo |
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