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Lanu 0utbreak	Posted - 2011.01.03 02:17:00 - [1] Hi o/ I know carriers/dreadnoughts can't jump into hi-sec via cyno's or gates. But what about wormholes? We had a N432 wormhole spawn in our class 5 system routing back to a system 1 jump from Jita a few weeks ago. We used it to get some freighters in, but now I'm thinking what would have happened if we warped a carrier to it and tried to jump? Its big enough mass wise.. anybody that ever tried?
AtheistOfFail Caldari	Posted - 2011.01.03 02:38:00 - [2] Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 03/01/2011 02:39:17 Nope. CCP limited it. PS: Nice try and if you do get it through, i'll buy it
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.01.03 03:24:00 - [3] I wish. But no, it won't work.
NumYumz	Posted - 2011.01.03 03:42:00 - [4] if you did, GM's would move it
MisterAndy5562	Posted - 2011.02.14 08:23:00 - [5] I doubt very much that they'd move it. It's legal to have hisec capitals.
Loraine Gess	Posted - 2011.02.14 09:10:00 - [6] The point is moot, it is impossible to get a capital ship into high-sec via a wormhole.
Tasko Pal Spallated Garniferous Schist	Posted - 2011.02.14 09:33:00 - [7] NumYumz is probably right. The current high sec capitals were legally built in high sec (and their owners had to fight to keep them in high sec). A new cap that snuck in from WH space wouldn't be legit. It'd be worth trying though. I suggest if you can get a capital ship into high sec in any way, that you respect current rules on capitals in high sec. I don't have much of a clue what those rules are, but I understand that capital ships can't be used in a situation where they'd be at an advantage. You can mine with one, because a hulk is better, but you can't run missions with one or fight in wars (where they could possibly have an advantage over other ships in high sec).
Cindy Marco Minmatar Expanse Security	Posted - 2011.02.14 09:50:00 - [8] Edited by: Cindy Marco on 14/02/2011 09:50:59 Originally by: MisterAndy5562 I doubt very much that they'd move it. It's legal to have hisec capitals. No, I don't think they would allow it. You can't really even use current high sec caps other then to show it off. So I really doubt they want more. The high sec capital rules are really strict. If you do any of the following (with a cap that can't normally enter high sec) you get a 2 week ban AND your cap gets kicked out of high sec. 1)Aggress someone with a cap ship 2)Undock a high sec cap while at war, or with a war pending 3)Use a capital in a way that gives you an advantage 4)Sell or trade a hi sec cap ship It was posted somewhere on the forums by a GM a couple months ago. ôLife is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.ö - Bill Hicks
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.02.14 12:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Cindy Marco It was posted somewhere on the forums by a GM a couple months ago.
Floydd Heywood	Posted - 2011.02.14 12:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Lanu We had a N432 wormhole spawn in our class 5 system routing back to a system 1 jump from Jita a few weeks ago. We used it to get some freighters in, but now I'm thinking what would have happened if we warped a carrier to it and tried to jump? N432 does not spawn in C5 or hisec, so unless they broke that too with the last patch it didn't happen. Iirc N432 spawns in low sec and leads into C5. What you got was probably a M555 from hisec or D792 to HiSec. Both have 1m kg jump mass, so they'll let a freighter through but no capitals. There are no wormholes to or from hisec that carry capitals, that's how the rule 'no capitals in hisec' is enforced.
Mithrasith	Posted - 2011.02.14 17:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Floydd Heywood Originally by: Lanu We had a N432 wormhole spawn in our class 5 system routing back to a system 1 jump from Jita a few weeks ago. We used it to get some freighters in, but now I'm thinking what would have happened if we warped a carrier to it and tried to jump? N432 does not spawn in C5 or hisec, so unless they broke that too with the last patch it didn't happen. Iirc N432 spawns in low sec and leads into C5. What you got was probably a M555 from hisec or D792 to HiSec. Both have 1m kg jump mass, so they'll let a freighter through but no capitals. There are no wormholes to or from hisec that carry capitals, that's how the rule 'no capitals in hisec' is enforced. Our C6 recently spawned a WH 3 jumps from Jita. The Mass allowance was large enough to let my JF pass in and out of the WH - which is appriximately the same mass as a Moros (50 000 KG difference). So I believe the OP is correct in his description.
Guillieme Lohran	Posted - 2011.02.14 21:54:00 - [12] Edited by: Guillieme Lohran on 14/02/2011 21:55:21 I have to agree with Floyd. Wormholes going in or out of highsec all have a mass limit of 1 billion or under. All combat capital ships have a mass of over 1 billion while jump freighters are all under 1 billion. Heaviest base for JF - 960mil kg Rhea. Moros 1.29 bil and change.
Mithrasith	Posted - 2011.02.14 22:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Guillieme Lohran Edited by: Guillieme Lohran on 14/02/2011 21:55:21 I have to agree with Floyd. Wormholes going in or out of highsec all have a mass limit of 1 billion or under. All combat capital ships have a mass of over 1 billion while jump freighters are all under 1 billion. Heaviest base for JF - 960mil kg Rhea. Moros 1.29 bil and change. its entirely possible Im having a "****** day" Have a peak and let me know what mass you see there http://eve.wikia.com/wiki/Ark http://eve.wikia.com/wiki/Moros I read that as: Ark Mass: 1,125,000,000.00 kg Moros Mass: 1,175,000,000.00 kg
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2011.02.14 22:26:00 - [14] Edited by: Boltorano on 14/02/2011 22:26:38 Originally by: Mithrasith Originally by: Guillieme Lohran Edited by: Guillieme Lohran on 14/02/2011 21:55:21 I have to agree with Floyd. Wormholes going in or out of highsec all have a mass limit of 1 billion or under. All combat capital ships have a mass of over 1 billion while jump freighters are all under 1 billion. Heaviest base for JF - 960mil kg Rhea. Moros 1.29 bil and change. its entirely possible Im having a "****** day" Have a peak and let me know what mass you see there http://eve.wikia.com/wiki/Ark http://eve.wikia.com/wiki/Moros I read that as: Ark Mass: 1,125,000,000.00 kg Moros Mass: 1,175,000,000.00 kg No, you're just using an awful 3rd party wiki with incorrect data. Ark is 900,000,000kg
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.02.14 22:37:00 - [15] Originally by: Mithrasith its entirely possible Im having a "****** day" Have a peak and let me know what mass you see there http://eve.wikia.com/wiki/Ark http://eve.wikia.com/wiki/Moros I read that as: Ark Mass: 1,125,000,000.00 kg Moros Mass: 1,175,000,000.00 kg Or more accurately: Ark ù Mass 900,000,000 kg Moros ù Mass 1,292,500,000 kg ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.02.15 00:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Boltorano No, you're just using an awful 3rd party wiki with incorrect data. Ark is 900,000,000kg A bunch of ships had their masses changed at about the time of the Apocrypha expansion, mostly so that freighters can use wormholes that capital ships can't. The data on eve.wikia.com is out of date to the point that it is at least older than Apocrypha. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.02.16 10:37:00 - [17] Edited by: dexington on 16/02/2011 10:37:52 Taken from the wiki Link Wormhole Size Wormholes come with different restrictions. Wormholes not only allow certain amounts of mass through them in their lifetime, but they may also have mass restrictions for each and every transfer. For example, wormholes from known space to Class 1 wormhole space will restrict ships going through to battlecruisers or lower. Capital ships with jump drives can go through wormholes, provided that the wormhole can support the mass of the ship. Cynosural fields, however, cannot be opened in uncharted space, nor can ships with jump drives lock on to cynosural fields outside of wormhole space to jump out. Supercapital ships, such as Titans and Motherships, cannot go through wormholes as they are far too large to get through even the largest wormholes. Capital ships with jump drives that normally cannot go to high security space cannot enter wormholes which lead to high security systems. For example, an Archon Carrier cannot enter systems with a security status of 1.0 to 0.5. They cannot jump from w-space to these systems via a wormhole, either.

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