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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:41:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:They don't can flip a guy in a Vagabond
that's probably because vagabonds aren't well-known for being used to mine
i'm glad we have cleared that up "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4359
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:42:00 -
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Tarassse wrote:To go further, any good soul passing by should be able to destroy the canflipper's ship. He committed a crime after all, even though it is minor. Don't forget he cannot be podkilled, unless he is <-5.
Being a criminal has consequences. Deal with it.
flipping a can doesn't get you a GCC, so it is not a crime "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4359
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Posted - 2012.08.15 10:26:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:I think this is a good mechanic for "do gooder" corps looking for risk-free PvP
ftfy "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4361
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Posted - 2012.08.15 11:26:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:Andski wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:I think this is a good mechanic for "do gooder" corps looking for risk-free PvP ftfy I see and attacking a mining barge is full of risk? Its not risk PvP, the thief can fight back and win. Or is it unfair because a can flipper is not ready for PvP? Kind of like the mining barge? See where im going with that? Its the same shoe just on the other foot.
except there's far more "risk" in attacking a mining barge or flipping a can than there ever will be in shooting can flippers with 10 neutral logi alts tailing you
if you think the solution to "low-risk PvP" is to introduce risk-free PvP to counter it, well, i don't know what to tell you "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4363
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Posted - 2012.08.15 15:40:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:Thats a silly notion. I have been playing this game for 6 years I have never seen or heard of a can flipper with 10 neutral logi alts chasing somebody. Creating some out of the blue unlikely scenario that rarely if ever happens is hardly a case for anything.
Its a simple fair mechanic in which the most prepared wins. The miner can have some friends standing by, thief dies The theif can bring more friends, miner and friends die. Other people can jump in to try to gank the thieves and their friends with even more friends...
You get the idea. Who ever shows up with the best plan and is most prepared wins. There is ample mechanics in place to allow for all manner of scenarios, plans, strategies and results.
How is this not in the spirit of Eve?
Being able to take part in a fight without being a legal target isn't "in the spirit of Eve" and let's not pretend that it is, thanks. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4363
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Posted - 2012.08.15 15:43:00 -
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Butzewutze wrote:Flagging for the whole gang would not be fair at all like we have seen in the previous exploits around wardecs + missions for example > loftyscam.
CCPs Greyscale wrote: "The "lofty scam" has been neutered in Empyrean Age (gang membership now has no bearing on aggression rules) so this is no longer an issue (!)"
I dont see why we should fix what have been fixed.
on the other hand, not flagging RR and boosting alts and all that crap just makes everything hilariously one-sided "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4364
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Posted - 2012.08.15 15:45:00 -
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Butzewutze wrote:If you would know what you are talking about then we would respect your thoughts... but actually you aren't. Read my posts above: The Miner always have to take the first shot and that makes him into a legal target.
Or maybe you could put my post into context rather than reading it selectively and replying with something that's completely unrelated to the subject matter. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4364
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Posted - 2012.08.15 15:54:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:How does it favor the defender when the can flipper gets to choose his targets? He can simply pick someone who does not have the capacity to retaliate against him. So how does can flipping favor the victim again?
This is why what CCP is doing is such a great change. Can flippers can no longer choose targets where they will have 0 risk of retaliation.
otoh, "defenseless" mining ships don't tend to jetcan mine since anybody in a Hulk or Covetor ~generally~ knows better. Mackinaws/Retrievers don't need to jetcan mine, Skiffs/Procurers just serve as good canflip bait.
non-barge mining ships can easily be used as bait.
crimewatch is stupid "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4364
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Posted - 2012.08.15 15:55:00 -
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Butzewutze wrote:I were relating to the "legal target" that you were talking about.
If you choose to shoot me while you are in your barge then you are a legal target for sure.
i'll just stop you there and let you know that I was referring to RR in the context of fighting suspect-flagged players "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4364
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:04:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:baltec1 wrote:Gotta remember, these changes are to "protect the nubs" from the nasty people. . Not at all. If they wanted to protect the nubs, they could make concording for canflipping in high sec. This change is about adding some actual risk to being a douchebag. No longer can awful players choose the riskless "pvp" they desire, they will actually have to take a risk of being attackable by anyone, not just their chosen target. Like other players have said, can flippers are out for easy kills, they will dock the very moment they feel they might be in danger. Real pvpers get their kills outside high sec.
this can already happen
it's simple: join a corp "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4365
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:50:00 -
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look at everyone talking about canflipping when another effect of crimewatch is making it safer to autopilot a freighter with your life's worth "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4365
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Posted - 2012.08.15 17:05:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Andski wrote:look at everyone talking about canflipping when another effect of crimewatch is making it safer to autopilot a freighter with your life's worth because high sec ganks should involve zero risk, right? Its amazing the amount of babies who come on the forums to cry when the game gets a little more challenging.
tell me, what's the risk in shooting "suspects" when they can't engage your RR "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4367
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Posted - 2012.08.15 18:37:00 -
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let's make eve Just Like Real Life
in real life, when seconds count, the police are minutes away "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4368
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Posted - 2012.08.16 00:56:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:I truely think it is funny that these "PVP'ers" want to "PVP", but only when they are at an assumed advantage. When they have to potentially defend themselves from bigger and better players, oh noes thats not fair.
Are you talking about the people that want Crimewatch? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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