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Posted - 2012.08.15 13:53:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:If anything, I would think it fixes can flipping. No longer can people steal your can with potentially zero risk, even if they are picking on brand new characters.
Thank you CCP for bringing more risk/reward into the game. Zero Risk? Everyone in your corporation can attack them, they are the only ones who can tackle you so ECM Drones or backup ECM = near guaranteed escape if they have Logi and since they can't fire until you aggress them it means you can do so with a duel web so no kiting or dodging shots and you get to decide before the fight if it is a ship you can 100% beat or escape from. Can fights are pretty much 100% in favor of victim. Please tell me the zero risk part was ironic.
As a can flipper, I approve this message. There is absolutely risk involved and if someone is 'pirate baiting' (this happens) then you are set up to lose as you cannot effectively aggro their Remote Reps and you are a sitting duck against their corp.
While rare. people do set alts out on belts to lure flippers and kill them with ease. I have even done this to run other flippers out of systems I flip in. |
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Posted - 2012.08.15 17:28:00 -
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I like the part of this thread where everyone was speaking as though their opinions were based in anything factual.
Opinions aside: - Can Flipping has risk associated with it. - Can Flipping can lead to a PvP encounter. - All else being equal, the Victim of a can flip has the upper hand.
Deal with it nullbears. |
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Posted - 2012.08.15 17:50:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote: I was 14 days old. OFC at that age I know EVERYTHING about the game. Silly me for doing an action that I surely knew was going to get me killed
Do not try to justify this as my fault. The Canflipper preyed on me because of my lack of ingame knowledge. Logic says you cannot steal your own stuff. I applied that logic and took my stuff back. I lost out. I didn't cry a river of tears. I got even (eventually)
So with your logic, why is it an issue at all? You played, you lost, you learned and (maybe) got over it. Are you better off for having that experience rather than being sheltered from it?
Noobs are the Jello of the High Sec PvP Buffet. There is always room for more. |
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Posted - 2012.08.15 17:54:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote: - Currently miner or mission runner can't do much to protect themselves against you. - Can flipping always leads to pvp encounter. And pirate always wins. - Pirate has the upper hand always.
You are proving my point. You offer opinion while speaking in fact. Two of your statements are factually incorrect off of context alone, and the other is highly subjective.
This makes you wrong on all sides, unless you would like to share some statistical data to the contrary. |
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Posted - 2012.08.15 18:28:00 -
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TIL ppl can flip in Damnations. |
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Posted - 2012.08.15 18:35:00 -
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Quote:To all the people touting that all the miner/missioner has to do is go dock and ship up, how often does the flipper really wait for this to happen? I wager the majority, note, I didn't say all, of flippers in this situation will warp away, especially if a real combat ship comes back.
The fact is, while the miner/missioner has the ability and the right to shoot back, if they are like my industry alt, they are trained for fitting and flying industrial ships, and science and manufacturing. He really has nothing to ship up to.
So again to all you high-sec PvPer's, and for this instance I am really using that term loosely, how about this for a solution, as minor as the crime may be you did STEAL from a person, this is a crime, and should be punishable. I agree Joe Blow back at the station who never saw a thing shouldn't be able to shoot you, but how is this, everyone on grid who witnessed the event can shoot.
There is no GCC or any of that, but hired mercs, friends, and allies will have the ability to protect each other and shoot you, should they be on hand to witness the crime. Now a non-combat pilot can hire help and have friends to watch his back. Corps who specialize in industry can hire mercs to guard their mining operations, etc. etc. There is no reason that people should have to be in the same corporation to protect each other.
I don't really have a problem with what you are offering here. It's a controllable scenario, akin to High Sec antics. It also makes cloakies a threat to High Sec pvp.
I would like this much more than what is planned. |
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